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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: ahchela]
    #14241335 - 04/05/11 11:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You can sticky this post to your subconscious mind.

Its very immature to go somewhere and vent your insecurity by bashing people for having any mystical beliefs at all. Its not a mark of intelligence no matter how you try to spin it.

The title of this thread is itself an ad hominem as it implicates anyone who may argue from the mystical perspective.


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: ahchela]
    #14241362 - 04/05/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think education is probably statistically correlated with atheism/skepticism. Those who are more highly educated are more likely to employ logical, critical thinking, which is directly opposed to faith, or belief in the supernatural. Faith wouldn't be faith if it was based in reason; it would be a rational argument. Faith is inherently irrational.

This thread was not utilizing ad hominem as far as I saw; it was simply stating a statistical correlation. Interpretation of the given facts is up to the individual; if you take offense to it, it's merely because you realize the invalidity of your own view. :shrug:


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: ahchela]
    #14241363 - 04/05/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I can see how the concept of large-scale social studies might be too much for certain people to grasp.

And of course, you still failed to answer my question, which seems indicative of a lack of desire to particiapte in debate - the purpose of this forum.

You will love the folks at the Koombayah Forum (M&P) - and yes, they have an overall lower IQ there.


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: ahchela]
    #14241371 - 04/05/11 11:30 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Mystics are more than just ignorant fools, they can be dangerous and violent and very much pose a threat to rationally minded people.  They are two mutually inconsistent world views, and the world isnt big enough for the two of them.


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: NetDiver]
    #14241386 - 04/05/11 11:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Samurai Drifter said:
I think education is probably statistically correlated with atheism/skepticism. Those who are more highly educated are more likely to employ logical, critical thinking, which is directly opposed to faith, or belief in the supernatural. Faith wouldn't be faith if it was based in reason; it would be a rational argument. Faith is inherently irrational.




Of course. This is beyond obvious. And even though true, I am an evil person and a meanie for posting about it. :hehehe: Denial and ignorance are seen by some posters as desirable qualities.


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: DieCommie]
    #14241394 - 04/05/11 11:34 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
Mystics are more than just ignorant fools, they can be dangerous and violent and very much pose a threat to rationally minded people.  They are two mutually inconsistent world views, and the world isnt big enough for the two of them.






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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14241415 - 04/05/11 11:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Less education or better education?
Weak reasoning skills or have strong reasoning skills?

Now let's go back in history for a moment. Which group held on to the earth-centric view of the universe longer despite contravening evidence to the contrary: scientists or clergy?




While that is true a better education is not necessarily correlated with reasoning skills or whether you become a scientist or a clergyman, even if the scientists go on to gain a better understanding of the world their schooling might not have been a factor.

However I do realise considering the relevance to this discussion you were probably talking about how educated a man is and not the education system. Which I do agree with you on.


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14241424 - 04/05/11 11:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

After reading the only statistics or quotations posted, which first appeared half way into the second page... I would have to say the information is easily inconclusive enough to be dismissable.

Either way, my point stands on your motivation.


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Denial and ignorance are seen by some posters as desirable qualities.




Expressing more of your insecurities?
Or are you referring to the baited ad hominem in the threads title?


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: DieCommie]
    #14241433 - 04/05/11 11:44 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Mystics are more than just ignorant fools, they can be dangerous and violent and very much pose a threat to rationally minded people.  They are two mutually inconsistent world views, and the world isnt big enough for the two of them.




Being a mystic does not necessarily mean you are ignorant though, think of Crowley he was highly intelligent and well educated, whereas many of the worst dictator were not mystical at all. Which came first, the mysticism or the ignorance? I'd go with the ignorance, most dangerous types I've met were not mystical but just plain dumb...


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: ahchela]
    #14241464 - 04/05/11 11:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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ahchela said:
After reading the only statistics or quotations posted, which first appeared half way into the second page... I would have to say the information is easily inconclusive enough to be dismissable.



I know that wikipedia's not the most scholarly of sources, but it's just fine for finding other references and studies. There are quite a few listed here that all draw the same conclusion: higher education (and IQ too, actually) are correlated with lower faith.


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: ahchela]
    #14241470 - 04/05/11 11:50 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

A third post without an answer to a simple question. This tactic of dodging is generally seen when the dodger knows the answer will weaken or destroy his premise.


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: NetDiver]
    #14241488 - 04/05/11 11:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Samurai Drifter said:
Quote:

ahchela said:
After reading the only statistics or quotations posted, which first appeared half way into the second page... I would have to say the information is easily inconclusive enough to be dismissable.



I know that wikipedia's not the most scholarly of sources, but it's just fine for finding other references and studies. There are quite a few listed here that all draw the same conclusion: higher education (and IQ too, actually) are correlated with lower faith.




All of those who conducted the studies are mean bastards and just want to bash people. :mad:


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14241555 - 04/05/11 12:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Why spiritual types tend to work at low-paying jobs?

Is that the question?
I'll answer it for you:

There is no conclusive evidence to support the premise.



If you want to keep going in circles, I'll leave you to it

:cheers:


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: Grapefruit]
    #14241561 - 04/05/11 12:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Being a mystic does not necessarily mean you are ignorant though, think of Crowley he was highly intelligent and well educated




I think Crowley was very much a ridiculous, ignorant fool - your typical mystic.


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: ahchela] * 1
    #14241568 - 04/05/11 12:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

ahchela said:
Why spiritual types tend to work at low-paying jobs?

Is that the question?
I'll answer it for you:

There is no conclusive evidence to support the premise.



If you want to keep going in circles, I'll leave you to it

:cheers:




And now you conveniently exit the debate, without addressing the evidence that directly contradicts your opinion.

:cheers:


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14241601 - 04/05/11 12:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Atheism/skepticism is indeed a way of life.I respect people that choose to live their life like this.Ignorance is relative.I could say that you are ignorant becuase you are denying spirituality,you could name me a ignorant because I don`t accept such strict materialism.
Yet I don`t understand one thing OP. Why you need to exteriorise so much? Sorry,but you are with nothing better than one of those `insert religion here` followers who try to make people belive that their religion is the best.
It is just me,or are you feeling a little insecure? You don`t belive in god.I am fine with that.Then just live you life like that,why do you have to bash people who actually belive?You want approval? Or you think that by popping a few statistics you will make people who stand their beliefs,who may or may not have had spiritual experiences to say " #@%# This,I have never seen anything like this in my life,this proves that following god makes you a failure in life.I no longer like god."
My friend,it doesn`t work like that.
Also to point out,many spiritual beings or spiritually awakened,or why not just normal people who decided to follow certain religious teachings realise that it`s not just about the cars you have,the money and the bigtitted american blond. They understand that there is more to this life.They don`t accept making dirty money,or sacrificing themselves or damaging other people`s life for a certain job. They are happy with what they have ( belive me they are. ),and they do their best to help others if they can.
:heart:
Please stop attacking spiritual beings. Thank you.
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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: Damkina]
    #14241628 - 04/05/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

How is holding a viewpoint and posting evidence in support of it "attacking"?

Obviously it's not; I think all the people who come in saying that the OP is insecure are actually insecure about their own beliefs. After all, if you believe so strongly in your religion, why should you see some statistics as so offensive? Either they're true, or not- either way it shouldn't affect your beliefs, if you truly are faithful.

Also, I think it's funny that you use an ad-hominem attack and then add ":heart:" at the end, as if that proves you hold the moral high ground. :lol:


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14241645 - 04/05/11 12:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

This thread's premise is invalid until some evidence is provided that "spiritual types" on the whole make significantly less money than "materialist types".


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: Lion]
    #14241651 - 04/05/11 12:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Studies posted above universally confirmed the correlation between IQ, education, and faith, and similarly, they confirm a correlation between education and monetary earnings.

Here, take your pick- they all say the same thing. http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=education+correlated+with+earnings&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart

The premise of this thread is valid as long as A = C, where A = B and B = C, which is very basic logical deduction.


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: Damkina]
    #14241658 - 04/05/11 12:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I respect people that choose to live their life like this.




Seeing as how skepticism led to the computer device you are using to communicate with, it would be retarded to not respect it.


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