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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14240178 - 04/05/11 03:48 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i am gonna make a lot of money and blow it all on women and drugs and guns cause I am spiritual that way


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: Cherk]
    #14240267 - 04/05/11 05:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

WHEN I heard the learn’d astronomer; 
When the proofs, the figures, were ranged in columns before me; 
When I was shown the charts and the diagrams, to add, divide, and measure them; 
When I, sitting, heard the astronomer, where he lectured with much applause in the lecture-room, 
How soon, unaccountable, I became tired and sick;         
Till rising and gliding out, I wander’d off by myself, 
In the mystical moist night-air, and from time to time, 
Look’d up in perfect silence at the stars.
~Walt Whitman 


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: Grapefruit] * 1
    #14240302 - 04/05/11 05:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

He whos not busy being born, is busy dying ~ Bob Dylan


You can take your paper and eat it lol


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: ahchela]
    #14240399 - 04/05/11 06:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"Spiritual types", whoever they may be, tend to work in low-paying jobs? Really? Is that provable past one's own biased preconceptions? If so, who has some data on it?

Christian priests are meant to be spiritual aren't they? And their pay wouldn't be considered low, would it?


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14240409 - 04/05/11 06:26 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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E-in Liondragon said:
Perhaps it is that people who are more spiritual see the futility of physical gain, and see reward in spiritual gain through helping others instead of oneself




And this demonstrates a clear lack of critical thinking. The more money a person has the more power they have to help others.





The thing is, money causes people to become POWER HUNGRY and GREEDY. Anyone who thinks they will not be tempted to be a douche when they have all that money/power lacks critical thinking. A spiritual person who has critical thinking realizes this, and also that their own suffering can be an example of how to live right DESPITE having nothing.

I think Jesus/Ghandi/Buddah have made that point pretty clear.

Really knowledge (not schooling or money) is power.


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14240455 - 04/05/11 06:44 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What about one of the many occult or spiritual orders over the years or now.  Seems they are somewhat successful types that do believe in all sorts of possibility.  How about Masons and the like??

Just a couple thoughts.

It seems there is some marrying of critical thinking and the paranormal out there too.


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14240943 - 04/05/11 09:51 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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You know Henry Ford actually believed in reincarnation?




How does believing in fairy tales make one 'spiritual'?



I'd like to point out that "reincarnation" properly understood does not necessarily postulate anything beyond the physical. Certain physicalist theories of mind postulate that consciousness does not reach an absolute end with the death of one individual, because "consciousness" is not a binary 1-0 phenomenon that is absolutely discrete and localized ( see an explanation of the cartesian theater), which can result in  blurry understandings of personal identity, life, and death.

One interesting philosophical argument for this position: http://www.naturalism.org/death.htm


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: Shroomerette]
    #14240949 - 04/05/11 09:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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However if you have a PHD is something like philosophy, which I would not call reality-based, then there are far fewer high income positions available.




All PhDs are in philosophy.  That is what the 'Ph' in 'PhD' stands for.  :tongue:


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Re: Why 'Spiritual Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: Mufungo]
    #14241041 - 04/05/11 10:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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"Spiritual types", whoever they may be, tend to work in low-paying jobs? Really? Is that provable past one's own biased preconceptions? If so, who has some data on it?

Christian priests are meant to be spiritual aren't they? And their pay wouldn't be considered low, would it?




Here in the States, those states with the worst literacy rate are also the poorest and the most religious.

The Western Nations are far richer than Second and Third world nations and have much higher atheist populations.

Belief in God is much lower among academics than among the general population because scholars have higher IQs, a controversial academic claimed this week.

In a forthcoming paper for the journal Intelligence, Richard Lynn, emeritus professor of psychology at the University of Ulster, will argue that there is a strong correlation between high IQ and lack of religious belief and that average intelligence predicts atheism rates across 137 countries.


In the early 20th century, studies showed that scientists were less likely than the general population to believe in the existence of God.1 A survey conducted in 1969 showed that 35% of scientists did not believe that God existed.2 In contrast, recent surveys on religious belief have shown that 90 percent of Americans believe in God and 40 percent attend a place of worship weekly.3 Is a lack of belief in God among scientists due to their higher intelligence and knowledge? A recent study was designed to look at differences in belief among scientists (and other academics) and what factors influence those beliefs.

Religion and Academics

Elaine Ecklund, and Christopher Scheitle questioned 2,198 faculty members in the disciplines of physics, chemistry, biology, sociology, economics, political science, and psychology from 21 elite U.S. research universities.4 Overall, 75% of professors contacted completed the survey. Among the different disciplines, disbelief in the existence of God was not correlated with any particular area of expertise:

Disbelief in God by Academics4



Discipline %

Physics 40.8

Chemistry 26.6

Biology 41.0

Overall 37.6



Sociology

34.0



Economics 

31.7



Political Science

27.0



Psychology

33.0



  Overall

31.2


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14241055 - 04/05/11 10:28 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Oh snap having a high IQ means you can't be spiritual...

Wait a minute, my IQ is 156.

:themoreyouknow:


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: Toe_Jam]
    #14241092 - 04/05/11 10:35 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The thing is, money causes people to become POWER HUNGRY and GREEDY.




Not true seeing as how you just made this up. Money/power can only make you more of what you ALREADY are.


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: ahchela]
    #14241105 - 04/05/11 10:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Oh snap having a high IQ means you can't be spiritual...

Wait a minute, my IQ is 156.





Highly doubtful as a person of that degree of intelligence would likely understand the concept of correlation.


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14241134 - 04/05/11 10:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I've heard studies that say better education does not = less believers. There was an article about it in new scientist just last week. Those kind of studies change their mind about things constantly, same with health food stuff, I don't really buy any of it personally, they're looking for answers with too many variables surrounding them.


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: Grapefruit]
    #14241193 - 04/05/11 10:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Forget the studies for a moment. Which kids are MORE likely to believe in Santa Claus? Those who have:

Less education or better education?
Weak reasoning skills or have strong reasoning skills?

Now let's go back in history for a moment. Which group held on to the earth-centric view of the universe longer despite contravening evidence to the contrary: scientists or clergy?


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14241244 - 04/05/11 11:06 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Me is curious why you want to bash 'spiritualists'

Are you... insecure?


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: ahchela]
    #14241277 - 04/05/11 11:13 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The studies are either accurate or inaccurate. If they are accurate, then how does truth equate to bashing?


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: ahchela]
    #14241287 - 04/05/11 11:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Are you... insecure?




Seems Mr. Hi IQ is unable to grok the rules here and understand the logical fallacy of the ad hominem. :rolleyes:


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14241301 - 04/05/11 11:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Sorry for pointing at you, just figured if you wouldn't do it, I could be of some service.


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14241304 - 04/05/11 11:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The studies are either accurate or inaccurate. If they are accurate, then how does truth equate to bashing?





Implications Watson, you're not fooling anyone.


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: ahchela]
    #14241332 - 04/05/11 11:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I figured you would be unable to answer this simple question. :flowstone: This is a long-standing pattern here.


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