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    #14238027 - 04/04/11 07:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ijavelin a n outdoor grow that is located near my pond. Problem is there's a bunch oof leeches near it because its so wet. will they be a problem and how do I get rid of them? Anyone else had this problem?


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Re: leeches [Re: dr0384] * 1
    #14238381 - 04/04/11 08:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ijavelin too mon. Spreada salt on da liddlemons and they beya dryin rite upmon.


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Re: leeches [Re: Wallpapereater]
    #14239821 - 04/05/11 01:06 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You could put a painted turtle or small snapping turtle in there and the leeches that didn't attach to him would be eaten by him...

Salt+mushroom bed = bad idea, and I don't think salt will kill leeches anyway, it kills slugs, but leeches are parasites and have a tough non slimy skin.

I myself would put my feet in and splash around a bit till my legs were covered in them, pick them off and save them for my next fishing trip, bass and catfish love them.

Otherwise I don't think they would be a problem unless you are talking about snails or slugs instead of leeches. If they are near the pond and not in it they are probably not leeches, if they are slugs, open a can of beer, drink half, then lay the half full beer near where the slugs are on its side. They smell it, crawl in for a drink and get so drunk that they drown in the beer, problem solved.

PS Snails and slugs carry many germs and parasites including bacterial meningitis which could kill you, if you ever see a snail or slug trail on a shroom I would recommend tossing it.


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Re: leeches [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14239844 - 04/05/11 01:16 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

make a trap for them its easy,
http://www.ehow.com/how_4779414_make-leech-traps.html
I use chicken livers instead of fish heads..thats how i get them for fishing...
it will keep them distracted and you can dump em out n salt if you want them dead.


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Re: leeches [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #14239886 - 04/05/11 01:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

O really. I have had snails and slugs all over my sub. Can I peroxide the hell out of it?
I've put snail pellets around now so they arent coming back but is it too dangerous to eat new ones if I peroxide you think


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Re: leeches [Re: dr0384]
    #14239892 - 04/05/11 01:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

damn dude, you live in the bayou?


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Re: leeches [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #14239906 - 04/05/11 01:44 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm no expert but my friend got bacterial meningitis and the doctor told him that he most likely got it from eating improperly washed/prepared vegetable from garden that a slug had came into contact with. How the doc came to that conclusion I don't know, I guess they just carry the bacteria. Don't know about sub, I would lay a half full beer on its side where you see them most and a week later it will be full with drowned ones. Then just put out a new beer.


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Re: leeches [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #14239917 - 04/05/11 01:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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damn dude, you live in the bayou?



If he lives where his flag says, he probably has some huge snails and slugs there, luckily their beer cans and the mouth openings are bigger too.


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Re: leeches [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14239920 - 04/05/11 01:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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You could put a painted turtle or small snapping turtle in there and the leeches that didn't attach to him would be eaten by him...

Salt+mushroom bed = bad idea, and I don't think salt will kill leeches anyway, it kills slugs, but leeches are parasites and have a tough non slimy skin.

I myself would put my feet in and splash around a bit till my legs were covered in them, pick them off and save them for my next fishing trip, bass and catfish love them.

Otherwise I don't think they would be a problem unless you are talking about snails or slugs instead of leeches. If they are near the pond and not in it they are probably not leeches, if they are slugs, open a can of beer, drink half, then lay the half full beer near where the slugs are on its side. They smell it, crawl in for a drink and get so drunk that they drown in the beer, problem solved.

PS Snails and slugs carry many germs and parasites including bacterial meningitis which could kill you, if you ever see a snail or slug trail on a shroom I would recommend tossing it.




Thank you for that piece of info! Glad I came across that before I ever go out into a field!


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Re: leeches [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14239927 - 04/05/11 01:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

birds eat slugs get some bird feeders to attract them or better yet just throw birdseed out in your yard and they will eat the seed and the slugs too...


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Re: leeches [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #14239943 - 04/05/11 01:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

well I might just peroxide my sub to clean it then leave beers near it. Thanks heaps guys


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Re: leeches [Re: dr0384]
    #14240239 - 04/05/11 04:42 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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well I might just peroxide my sub to clean it then leave beers near it. Thanks heaps guys




Step away from the peroxide.

Don't spray that stuff on your grows unless you have cobweb mold.


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Re: leeches [Re: dr0384]
    #14240921 - 04/05/11 09:42 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Ijavelin a n outdoor grow




Whatever that means. :shrug:

I'm curious why you think an organism which sucks blood would be interested in your mushrooms.
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Re: leeches [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14240964 - 04/05/11 10:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

me too? i use leeches to fish?


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Re: leeches [Re: darkhawk37]
    #14242510 - 04/05/11 03:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

na they aren't interested. More a health risk from a little worm that drinks blood rubbing shoulders with my Mushies. In fact they seem to be guarding them from slugs . .
can I just wash off the mushrooms from the slug juice.


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Re: leeches [Re: dr0384]
    #14242618 - 04/05/11 03:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Lmao wallpapereater


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Re: leeches [Re: dr0384]
    #14243600 - 04/05/11 06:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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In fact they seem to be guarding them from slugs . .
can I just wash off the mushrooms from the slug juice.




If they are guarding from the slugs I would let them be, I personally wouldn't eat anything that had a slug come in contact with it. Have you ever held or stepped on a slug and tried to wash it off? That stuff is like slimy glue, I would recommend just letting the slug tainted ones to open up and make prints from them or something. You can do what you want but I would at least cut off the parts where you see a trail and wash them really well. Snails and slugs both carry the bacteria, I wouldn't risk it.



Man's brain infected by eating slugs
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Eating these could kill you (Medical Journal of Australia)
A Sydney-based man who ate two garden slugs as a dare during a party narrowly escaped death from a rare form of meningitis, an often fatal swelling around the brain.

The case involving the consumption of leopard slugs Limax maximus was reported in this week’s issue of the Medical Journal of Australia by a team including neurologist Dr Don Pryor of St George Hospital and the University of New South Wales in Sydney.

The case is the first record of a human acquiring the disease from slugs in Sydney, although other mammals in the area have been known to become infected.

As well as developing meningitis - inflammation of the membrane that surrounds the spine and the brain – the man developed encephalitis – swelling of the brain and spinal cord.

ā€œHe nearly died - his consciousness was impaired and he was very ill indeed in hospital. He had extremely high pressure inside his head,ā€ Pryor told ABC Science Online.

ā€œIt took him many months until he felt better again … I don’t think he’ll ever feel the same again after such an experience but he was able to complete his university studies and get back into the same level of sporting activities as he was into before.ā€

While the Sydney man survived, others have not been so lucky. In an earlier case, a young child in subtropical Brisbane died, believed to have eaten slugs crawling on milk bottles which had been left at the front door. Another man had acquired the disease during a holiday in Fiji.

The most infamous form of meningitis is caused by meningococcal bacteria, however, the condition can also be caused by viruses, reaction to drugs, autoimmune disease, or - more rarely - by fungus or parasites.

The cause of the Sydney man's meningitis was the parasitic worm Angiostrongylus cantonensis, which normally infests the lungs of rats. The larval stages of the worm, however, live in molluscs, including slugs and snails. Previously, the worm had only been known to be a problem in tropical areas.

ā€œIf you do eat uncooked or inadequately cooked slugs or snails it is possible to get a parasitic infection that can be dangerous,ā€ Pryor says.

Crustaceans and salad vegetables may also carry the parasite, he says. However, the risk of dying from ingesting the parasites was ā€œlowā€.

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Re: leeches [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14243648 - 04/05/11 06:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If you want to keep them away from the sub just pour a line of salt well away from the sub but all the way around it, they cant crawl on salt. Salt will also kill mushrooms too so if you do make a ring of salt around it I would make it as big around and far away from the sub as possible. That is risky though because if it rains your sub might get a salt water bath.


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Re: leeches [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14246124 - 04/06/11 04:52 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

That article is interesting, but I don't think it supports the idea that a mushroom traversed by a slug will harbour disease-causing bacteria.  What's more, even if you're eating the slugs themselves, the occurance of disease is so rare they'll write a news story about it.

I'm sure wild mushrooms come into contact with slugs and snails all the time, and people eat those mushrooms all the time too.  Personally, I don't go through life worrying about bad things that might happen to me, especially if they're rare enough to be newsworthy.  I'm much more concerned about car drivers knocking me off my motorcycle (again, and again).


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Re: leeches [Re: andymc]
    #14246159 - 04/06/11 05:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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That article is interesting, but I don't think it supports the idea that a mushroom traversed by a slug will harbour disease-causing bacteria.  What's more, even if you're eating the slugs themselves, the occurance of disease is so rare they'll write a news story about it.

I'm sure wild mushrooms come into contact with slugs and snails all the time, and people eat those mushrooms all the time too.  Personally, I don't go through life worrying about bad things that might happen to me, especially if they're rare enough to be newsworthy.  I'm much more concerned about car drivers knocking me off my motorcycle (again, and again).




agree with this statement


Hell I worry more about the guy at burger king picking his nose, or scratching his nuts before making my burger way more then i worry about what bug or snail crawled on my shroom haha


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Re: leeches [Re: biologys]
    #14246263 - 04/06/11 06:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

yea snails and slugs mainly eat fungus don't they?
So why haven't all the wild ones gotten me sick?
The difference is that theres alot more slug/snail traffic over my sub that I'd like.


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Re: leeches [Re: dr0384]
    #14247882 - 04/06/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I have a friend that got bacterial meningitis. After having a head ache for days he went to the hospital because of the head ache. They diagnosed him with meningitis and asked him if he had eaten any raw vegetables that could have come into contact with slugs or snails and the other known sources and since he hadn't eaten any other known carriers of the bacteria they said it was most likely the vegetables he ate from the garden that a snail or slug had left a trail on and hadn't been cooked. The trail they leave is almost impossible to wash off and it also has the bacteria present since it is secreted from the carrier of the bacteria.

Long story short, my friend almost died. They had to put a tube directly into his heart and slowly pump a gel medicine for a half hour directly into his heart three times a day for two or three months before he started to feel even slightly better and he still doesn't feel the same years later.

Eat what you want to, I was just putting out the info for the guy with slug problems. If you do eat something with a snail or slug trail on it and you get a bad head ache that won't go away I would suggest the hospital.


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Re: leeches [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14248884 - 04/06/11 05:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It's a good thing to be aware of, 3n1gm4, not knocking you for posting the info.  In that case, I guess any vegetable or fruit grown outside and above ground, and eaten uncooked, could carry that risk.  I guess it's one of those :shrug: issues that you can choose to worry about, or not.

I'm nearly a veggie (+seafood), so I eat lots of raw stuff like that.  I think I'd worry more about food contams if I ate beef, pork, chicken, etc., given the shoddy way they're often stored and prepared.  OTOH seafood has its own risks.

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Re: leeches [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14248926 - 04/06/11 05:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

cheers for the info everyone. Yea good point. It doesn't seem to be worth the risk. I have some more grain jars that are growing. Might just stick to indoor growing. I know what I'm doing there. will just wait for them. Cos my sub is covered with slime so not worth it. Might just grow them for some photos though.


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Re: leeches [Re: dr0384]
    #14248945 - 04/06/11 06:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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It doesn't seem to be worth the risk. I have some more grain jars that are growing. Might just stick to indoor growing. I know what I'm doing there. will just wait for them. Cos my sub is covered with slime so not worth it. Might just grow them for some photos though.




I'm going to spawn some Ps. cyans in my garden this weekend, and my garden is always full of snails and slugs after a rain :shrug:

I guess I think it's worth the risk :grin:


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Re: leeches [Re: dr0384]
    #14248994 - 04/06/11 06:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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cheers for the info everyone. Yea good point. It doesn't seem to be worth the risk. I have some more grain jars that are growing. Might just stick to indoor growing. I know what I'm doing there. will just wait for them. Cos my sub is covered with slime so not worth it. Might just grow them for some photos though.




If you decide not to eat them at least you could take some prints?


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Re: leeches [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14249191 - 04/06/11 06:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

yea I will take some prints.  Good idea. I normally work with agar but why not. I was thinking, why don't I just cook them problem solved.


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Re: leeches [Re: dr0384]
    #14250581 - 04/06/11 11:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

make some snail flavored tea:badshroom:, powdered shrooms in the coffee pot mmm....:badshroom:


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Re: leeches [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14256896 - 04/08/11 02:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

this would solve the problem huh?
Cos I had 10 jars inoculated but all got contaminated. I didn't realize but my pressure cooker seal was dud so they didn't get sterilized. So annoying.
So my backyard grow is the only one on the go atm.
Seal is on its way so I can clone one. Hopefully it shows up soon so I still have some good pins growing I can use. :smile:
Otherwise I would have to clone from some old as myc from agar dishes witch I wanna avoid cos its started fruiting its so old.

Hurry up seal.

Would anyone else eat a mushroom casarol that was originally covered in slime? Couldn't imagine it would be any different that field mushrooms?


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Re: leeches [Re: dr0384]
    #14256931 - 04/08/11 02:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I've currently got doctors running in circles cluelessly. Tmj problems, nope, ear infections, nope, sinus problems, nope, skull fractures, nada. The headaches are so intense. I'm on tramadol and anti inflammatory now and barely managing with the stomach pain from all that.. Is bacterial infection of the brain/skull commonly caused by mispracticing mycology? Or eating contaminated fruits off the ground...


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Re: leeches [Re: Wimy]
    #14257104 - 04/08/11 03:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

wow that doesn't sound good man.
I tell your doctors that you grow mushrooms and that could be a reason. If it helps their diagnosis its worth it.


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Re: leeches [Re: dr0384]
    #14257107 - 04/08/11 03:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

also Ijavelin is ' I have' My phone corrected it to Ijavelin
don't ask why.


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