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Wizzy
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%99.8 Pure Caffeine
#14236101 - 04/04/11 01:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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What would you do if you had pure %99.8 pure anhydrous caffeine powder? Snort it? Eat it? Smoke it?
I understand that high doses of caffeine, especially when ingested via a method other than eating can be very unpleasant, leading to jitters and headaches, etc. But suppose you LIKED the uncomfortable feeling you get on 15 coffees... would you consider snorting it?
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: Wizzy]
#14236108 - 04/04/11 01:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I might eat it...
What is with people's fascination with snorting every drug imaginable? Just because you can snort it doesn't mean you should...
Also, I would sell the caffeine and buy better stimulants.
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Snort it deep, inhale it, fill your lungs with caffeine powder and wait for the mold to start growing (y)
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I was just curious, insufflation is a favored method of ingestion by many people, I was curious as to whether or not it would work with this. If what you're telling me is that it won't, then my question's answered. 
Also, I have tried most other stimulants you can name, this comes from my genuine interest to try new things.
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Be careful with caffeine powders (or any pure chemical), there have been fatal overdoses with something such as 2 teaspoons or so.
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: Wizzy]
#14236184 - 04/04/11 01:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wizzy said: I was just curious, insufflation is a favored method of ingestion by many people, I was curious as to whether or not it would work with this. If what you're telling me is that it won't, then my question's answered. 
Also, I have tried most other stimulants you can name, this comes from my genuine interest to try new things.
Well, I'm not sure if it's snortable. Is it in salt form? If it is snortable, my guess would be that it's going to be painful.
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: demon66]
#14236186 - 04/04/11 01:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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demon66 said: Be careful with caffeine powders (or any pure chemical), there have been fatal overdoses with something such as 2 teaspoons or so.
What he said. I almost overdosed on Red Bull one night whilst drunk, young and stupid. It was a fucking painful experience and something I will never do again. I was having full on chest pains and my heart was doing weird things. My blood pressure was so high and my head felt as if it were going to explode. People have had heart attacks from too much caffeine.
I use caffeine medicinally as a migraine treatment. It also helps increase the effects of drugs which is why it is mixed with things like aspirin, paracetamol and ergotamine etc etc.
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ifoundwaldo said: I might eat it...
What is with people's fascination with snorting every drug imaginable? Just because you can snort it doesn't mean you should...
Also, I would sell the caffeine and buy better stimulants. 
I think insufflation makes people feel cool and hardcore. I'd rather take a drug orally because if you are unsure of the origin of the drug or the ingredients then at least your body has a chance to filter out impurities etc a bit better rather than having it go straight into your bloodstream where it might cause problems.
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: Wizzy]
#14236244 - 04/04/11 01:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I get very unpleasant jitters and anxiety on 1/4 cup of coffee. I wouldn't touch pure caffeine powder in a biohazard suit.
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: BothHands]
#14236441 - 04/04/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Which ever way you take it you'll need a shit straight away!
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: BothHands]
#14236519 - 04/04/11 02:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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BothHands said: I get very unpleasant jitters and anxiety on 1/4 cup of coffee. I wouldn't touch pure caffeine powder in a biohazard suit.
This. Caffeine sucks.
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: healing]
#14236615 - 04/04/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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i read somewhere that if the caffeine crystal is large enough for you to see, consuming it would kill you.
thats what i read. probably far from fact
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: healing]
#14236621 - 04/04/11 02:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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"What would you do if you had pure %99.8 pure anhydrous caffeine powder? Snort it? Eat it? Smoke it?"
I had a kilo of caffeine until the cops took it.
Eating it tastes horrible. Smoking it is unbearable. Snorting it was the least unpleasant... but still bad.
Lowest recorded death (back when I did the research) is 3.2 grams so be careful.
The best use I found for it? Cook it on a spoon or something until it turns into a liquid, then touch a flame to it. It lights up and pretty impressive blue flame appears... Have fun.
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: thenpc]
#14236789 - 04/04/11 03:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Use small oral doses when you need it, no more than 50mg. Don't use it as a "recreational drug", that's bad news and it may act more like cocaine than you'd expect. And that could do some damage.
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: doses]
#14236886 - 04/04/11 03:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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This discussion doesn't really belong in the PE.
Also, don't buy caffeine powder, it's a waste of money, and using it is a waste of time.
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realfuzzhead said: i read somewhere that if the caffeine crystal is large enough for you to see, consuming it would kill you.
thats what i read. probably far from fact
Far from fact. The average cup of coffee has 100mg in it. That's far from too small to see. Hell, even 0.5mg can be seen the with naked eye.
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: BothHands]
#14237354 - 04/04/11 05:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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BothHands said:
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realfuzzhead said: i read somewhere that if the caffeine crystal is large enough for you to see, consuming it would kill you.
thats what i read. probably far from fact
Far from fact. The average cup of coffee has 100mg in it. That's far from too small to see. Hell, even 0.5mg can be seen the with naked eye.
ya thats alot far fetched...
as for caffeine .. i use it 3 times a week for my workouts.. 100-200 mgs 45 mins before i start, is enough for the boost in strength/energy
caffeine is cheap. u can get 100 tabs of 200 mgs for like $7.
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: P-O] 1
#14237691 - 04/04/11 06:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Its terrible for your body in conjunction with exercise due to what it does to your blood vessels and what not.
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: thenpc]
#14238100 - 04/04/11 07:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Caffeine is made of pure win. That is all.
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: thenpc]
#14238149 - 04/04/11 07:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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thenpc said: Its terrible for your body in conjunction with exercise due to what it does to your blood vessels and what not.
Wrong. It's been proven time and time again to be a safe and effective ergogenic aid. Search Pubmed, there are countless studies about caffeine and exercise. And most use very large doses, usually 6mg/kg. So about four and a half cups of coffee, coupled with physical exertion to exhaustion. And there have been studies that have tested all kinds of complex body parameters and found no adverse effects. It has proven to help endurance, perceived exertion/pain perception, anaerobic performance, muscle recovery, and use and replenishment of glycogen stores, among others.
So caffeine is undoubtedly a safe and effective ergogenic aid, perhaps even to the point of being considered a "wonder drug" for the purpose, except perhaps in heroic doses. Amphetamines, on the other hand...
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: doses]
#14238323 - 04/04/11 08:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've snorted the 200mg caffeine pills before, all crushed up...
I was really really high for about 2 hours, couldn't stop rambling about random shit...but then I got REALLY FUCKING DEPRESSED afterwards. Not really worth it if you ask me. I don't like caffeine unless it's in low doses, e.g. yerba mate.
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: doses]
#14238383 - 04/04/11 08:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'd rail it. I've railed Vivarin hundreds of times, especially to cut the edge off of the Methylphenidate comedown; my only complaint is the incredible dryness of it. This might be a lot nicer with the chemical with no binders.
Chopstick, you clearly took way too much.
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: LSDXM]
#14238727 - 04/04/11 09:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Add it to decafe coffee???
Had some as a kid... Snorted it... Like a crappy speed
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: HarryL]
#14238919 - 04/04/11 09:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've had multiple personal trainers tell me it's terrible for you
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: LSDXM]
#14239201 - 04/04/11 10:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Krash Kharma said: I'd rail it. I've railed Vivarin hundreds of times, especially to cut the edge off of the Methylphenidate comedown; my only complaint is the incredible dryness of it. This might be a lot nicer with the chemical with no binders.
Chopstick, you clearly took way too much.
Dude yerba has MASSIVE amounts of caffiene in it when compared to say lipton....
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prolly clse to like 50-60 mgs per 20 oz serving
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Did you mean to quote Chopstick? Cuz I didn't say anything about Yerba Mate.
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: Wizzy]
#14239544 - 04/04/11 11:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'd make a caffeine concentrate to spray onto spiders and observe their web making habits
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: thenpc]
#14242388 - 04/05/11 03:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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thenpc said: I've had multiple personal trainers tell me it's terrible for you
They're meatheads, not researchers. I'm speaking from first hand experience as well as hours of reading studies.
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: Wizzy]
#14243524 - 04/05/11 06:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Personally, I wouldn't touch the stuff. I seem to recall that pure caffeine is really easy to OD on (could be wrong though.)
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i just enjoy espresso too much to bypass it as my ROA for my daily jolt.
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caffeine pills might be okay if you take one or two, but pure powder seems excessive. Caffeine has a way different effect than a tea/coffee in high doses.
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: demon66]
#14270355 - 04/11/11 12:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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demon66 said: caffeine pills might be okay if you take one or two, but pure powder seems excessive. Caffeine has a way different effect than a tea/coffee in high doses.
w0rd. @ the person who mentioned yerba mate, yerba mate is active because of theobromide, not caffeine. I'm sure it has both though. Every tea is different, and has a different combination of chemicals. Naturally.
There's no need to buy pure. They sell 200mg pills at any major grocery store. I think it's about 200mg caffeine and 400mg of filler.
I like to nibble on a pill if I have a lot of work to do. Then I can just take 10-30mg and get a small boost. I wouldn't ever take a dose over 200mg in a day. It makes my brain feel like it's bleeding, and gives me heart burn. The most I took was 1000 or 1200mg. Trust me, it's a rough way to go. I was bed-ridden, dehydrated, cold, clammy, and had horrible intestinal gas. It felt like my insides were going to pop. I would shift my weight trying to relieve the pressure, and produce a long stomach fart as the gas moved from one side to the other.
@ the guy who had a kilo. You should have taken it through the skin. Just get a warm wet cloth or paper towel and let it soak. Making some kind of caffeine soap might be fun. I hear it helps with scaring.
@ the person who said it can be like coke. I'd have to agree with that. (Never did coke tho.) I used to take 400mg at a time, every day, sometimes a couple times a day.
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: maug]
#14270387 - 04/11/11 01:16 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Those jet alert caffeine pills are super cheap too. I think like literally two dollars for a hundred 200mg pills. So they are a cent per hundred milligrams if I can do simple math.
Pure powder is totally unnecessary. I bought those 200 mg pills a couple years ago thinking this is great, so much cheaper and easier than coffee. I never bothered to take smaller pieces, I just started with one whole pill, and I felt amazing. About three hours later I felt so great I ate another one. That was a horrible idea. I felt nauseous, sweaty, clammy, hot, anxious, dizzy, etc for the rest of the day. I can't imagine eating a whole gram of caffeine, that would be terrifying. I don't know if my heart could take it.
Caffeine works great at around 50-100mg. Even less for me. I feel perfect after about a third of a cup of coffee.
If you fuck around with that powder, you're going to have a shitty experience at some point, I guarantee it. Panic attacks aren't fun.
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: drr]
#14270440 - 04/11/11 01:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Read some interesting Nutmeg experiences...
But caffine is never really been one of my interests.
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People should really start snorting caffeine, or at least pretending that it's the latest craze to among the youth.
Then it'd be interesting to see the moral panic. Caffeine couldn't be banned, so what could they do? Caffeine by prescription?
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get some coca leaves, I'm thinking of these as an alterantive to caffeine. You know, got to mix it up. They can be ordered online form South America
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: demon66]
#14278948 - 04/12/11 04:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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demon66 said: get some coca leaves, I'm thinking of these as an alterantive to caffeine. You know, got to mix it up. They can be ordered online form South America
Get the right type. I'd recommend ginseng as an alternative.
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Diacetylmentlegen said: People should really start snorting caffeine, or at least pretending that it's the latest craze to among the youth.
Then it'd be interesting to see the moral panic. Caffeine couldn't be banned, so what could they do? Caffeine by prescription?
This is quite possibly the best idea I have ever heard. It might even get people to think about how absurd drug laws in the first place.
I'm off to buy some caffeine.
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What if it caught on, and caffeine were banned, and people started selling it on the street for 60 dollars a gram.
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: drr]
#14279965 - 04/12/11 07:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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drr said: What if it caught on, and caffeine were banned, and people started selling it on the street for 60 dollars a gram.
I would definitely consider it a backfire of my plan. 
However, caffeine is more complacent than alcohol in our society right now. Imagine the outrage when THAT bill comes up.
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: drr]
#14280636 - 04/12/11 09:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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drr said: What if it caught on, and caffeine were banned, and people started selling it on the street for 60 dollars a gram.
I think you answered your own question. Stock up!
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: maug]
#14281533 - 04/12/11 11:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Caffeine, ladies and gentlemen... is amazing. And anybody who said it sucked was flat wrong.
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: Wizzy]
#14284071 - 04/13/11 01:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wizzy said: Caffeine, ladies and gentlemen... is amazing. And anybody who said it sucked was flat wrong.
Yeah whatever magic there is to caffeine is gone just as fast
You will find that it makes you sicker than high sooner or later
Or maybe you really do like it I don't know
I used to love caffeine...Until I drank too much a few times. Now I have to be extremely careful with it or Ill get panic attacks. Especially if I mix with weed...
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: drr]
#14284328 - 04/13/11 02:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes. Caffeine + weed = amazing, until you cross that very thin line into panic attack land.
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: doses]
#14284480 - 04/13/11 03:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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doses said: Yes. Caffeine + weed = amazing, until you cross that very thin line into panic attack land.
This is what I meant to say. Caffeine by itself is very jittery and sort of lame, but taken with weed it's a completely new high that I didn't even know existed.
Pure caffeine is nothing like drinking lots of coffee, it seems like a different substance altogether
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: Wizzy]
#14284625 - 04/13/11 03:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Is it like speed???
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: microdotty]
#14284704 - 04/13/11 03:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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microdotty said: Is it like speed???
maybe the crash...
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: microdotty]
#14284917 - 04/13/11 04:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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microdotty said: Is it like speed???
No. Why? Do you like speed?
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: Wizzy]
#15729976 - 01/28/12 04:21 PM (12 years, 4 days ago) |
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Okay, I know this thread is almost a year old, but there is so much mis-informtion in it that I had to put something:
1) A lot of people are saying it's better to use crushed pills than pure form powder - FALSE. It's never better to use something with additives, even 'pure' pills have adherents to make them stick together which are terrible for your lungs, as are bits of casing, etc.
2) 3.2 grams for an OD seems to be the lowest recorded it's true, but you would NEVER want nearly that much anyways. It doesn't do anything good, even a gram just makes you jittery and uncomfortable. The best reactions I've seen are from 50mg-250mg, above that and you have severely diminishing returns. When in doubt, use a scale. And remember, it can build up in your body over short period of time.
3) Is it like speed? Not at all. Nor is it like blow. There is no euphoria, it's not a good drug for tripping. If you want to be very awake with a fairly level head however, it's great. If you want to feel high, use something else. DXM is also legal, but far more dangerous.
4) It is not really painful, less so than most. It's easier on the stomach than eating it as well.
5) And finally to people saying they overdosed on redbull/5 hour anything like that, I'd bet quite a lot you didn't OD on caffeine, it was probably the Vitamin B, which is much harsher on your body. In my young(er) and stupid(er) days I played pong with 5 hour and vodka, and had this happen. 12 ours of dry heaving before I went to the Dr. and got an IV, which is all it took. I make terrible decisions so that everyone else can learn.
As with anything, be safe, but this stuff is not really all that bad/dangerous in low amounts. And it's legal!
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Re: %99.8 Pure Caffeine [Re: healing]
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healing said:
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microdotty said: Is it like speed???
No. Why? Do you like speed?
I use to... before i had a good job, now never!! lol
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