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Re: ive developed a fear for DMT [Re: Envix]
    #14238347 - 04/04/11 08:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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either way. everything that exists is inherently a neutral prop. the only determinant of good or bad in this universe originates from mind, not matter

fear and happiness are concepts, and don't exist on a physical level




that doesn't have any bearing on what i'm telling you.


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Re: ive developed a fear for DMT [Re: g00ru]
    #14238349 - 04/04/11 08:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i meditate regularly. i guess the average person doesnt :shrug:


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Re: ive developed a fear for DMT [Re: millzy]
    #14238364 - 04/04/11 08:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

btw, i had a similar attitude before i experienced this a few years back. i thought it was all in my mind and i had it all figured out. i don't know what else to say aside from that i was wrong. i don't claim to know the answers, but i do know that my perception of reality was a misapprehension.


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Re: ive developed a fear for DMT [Re: Envix]
    #14238373 - 04/04/11 08:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I would argue though that there are parts of the human psyche that we are not aware of, and have no control over; and that these hidden areas play just as much a role in our hallucinogenic experiences as our immediate psyche does.


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Re: ive developed a fear for DMT [Re: millzy]
    #14238396 - 04/04/11 08:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

you can meditate, light incense, do whatever you want. i promise that you are simply not prepared for what this can and does show you. nobody is. i know what to expect next time and i still can't wrap my head around it.

and i maintain my opinion that this is not entirely our psyche that we're dealing with in the case of ayahuasca.


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Re: ive developed a fear for DMT [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #14238397 - 04/04/11 08:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

that's kinda the point. everyone's perception is a misapprehension. no one can know true reality because in order to observe and experience it must be filtered through your own subjective conditioning and belief structure

if you can learn to drop everything and to be in the moment, there is nothing to fear



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1. you exist
2. what you put out, is what you get back
3. the one is all, the all are one
4. change is the only constant, and everything changes except for the first 3 laws


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Re: ive developed a fear for DMT [Re: Envix]
    #14238414 - 04/04/11 08:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

okay, well go get a big dose of it in you off in total darkness for about 10 hours and get back to me. :smile:


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Re: ive developed a fear for DMT [Re: millzy]
    #14238423 - 04/04/11 08:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

you are speaking to me now are you not? the experience is over is it not?

sure it may have been terrifying at the time but it's over now so what are you so afraid of?


it exists now only as a memory. and what is a memory but a figment fragment


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Re: ive developed a fear for DMT [Re: millzy]
    #14238428 - 04/04/11 08:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

DMT takes you where it wants to.  Whether that be heaven or hell its up to the STME..


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Re: ive developed a fear for DMT [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #14238450 - 04/04/11 08:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

seems to me envix and millsy are speaking about two different world views (or "other world", as the case may be), not simply the way each one of you experiences drugs :shrug:


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Re: ive developed a fear for DMT [Re: Envix]
    #14238459 - 04/04/11 08:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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you are speaking to me now are you not? the experience is over is it not?

sure it may have been terrifying at the time but it's over now so what are you so afraid of?


it exists now only as a memory. and what is a memory but a figment fragment




i'm rationally afraid of a lot of things; men pointing guns at me, tigers, microscopic clowns, but i made peace with what brought me to levels of terror never experienced before in my waking life that night if that's what you're asking. that isn't my point though. you seem to be speaking from a place of idealism and inexperience, and i'm telling you that what you're saying in regard to this subject is dead wrong.


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Re: ive developed a fear for DMT [Re: millzy]
    #14238470 - 04/04/11 08:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

and to clarify, i am an idealist philosophically. i'm a platonist for cryin' out loud. i don't think envix and i share dissimilar world views.


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Re: ive developed a fear for DMT [Re: millzy]
    #14238500 - 04/04/11 08:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i'm not saying you're wrong and i am only speaking from personal experience. ]]

i wasn't always an idealist i used to be vvery rational-minded and scientific oriented until i started doing dmt twice a week for a year

but what i believe is that belief determines reality so i choose to be idealist because i want to be in a happy reality

when i was a rationalist i was very depressed and now i love life and enjoy every moment of it the good and bad so i'm just spouting nonsense that works for me you can believe your own nonsense but i think the truth is that there is no meaning in anything inherently. you assign to thangs the meaning you wish to give to 'em


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Re: ive developed a fear for DMT [Re: millzy]
    #14238508 - 04/04/11 08:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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and to clarify, i am an idealist philosophically. i'm a platonist for cryin' out loud. i don't think envix and i share dissimilar world views.




well, i don't know either of you personally (or individually, for that matter). i'm only speaking from the small amount of conversation i've observed between the two of you in this thread.

to me it seems you (millzy) are speaking about a manifestation of something outside of and apart from your mind (an entity that had nothing to do with a mere mental hallucination) and envix is speaking about the mind and it's ability to manifest anything (even an entity).

is this an accurate summation or am i off the mark?


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Re: ive developed a fear for DMT [Re: gerryjarcia]
    #14238515 - 04/04/11 08:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

everything you experience is processed through your own mind whether that be eating a delicious turkey dinner or interacting with an entity from an alien dimension, you are still witnessing it through your own perception


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Re: ive developed a fear for DMT [Re: Envix]
    #14238567 - 04/04/11 09:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I've had seriously evil negative entities attack me during DMT trips before -- it's far from pleasant. Like your mind (perception) becomes a play thing for the attacker. It felt like I was being slammed repeatedly into a wall and simultaneously raped. It was horrible, one of the worst experiences I've ever had, and I gained absolutely nothing from the trip -- I was a fool to trust that particular batch of tryptamine from that particular person. My head felt like it had been fucking ripped open and then ravaged by demons.

That being said, I would smoke DMT again, just not that particular batch of DMT (i should flush that shit), also with more protection, only when the time is right.


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Re: ive developed a fear for DMT [Re: Envix]
    #14238593 - 04/04/11 09:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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everything you experience is processed through your own mind whether that be eating a delicious turkey dinner or interacting with an entity from an alien dimension, you are still witnessing it through your own perception




i understand what you are saying.

what i'm trying to figure out is if you believe there are forces completely outside of yourself, outside of your mind, that can have influence or power over you?

is there something that can interact with you completely independent of your personal ability to manifest or manipulate it?


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Re: ive developed a fear for DMT [Re: gerryjarcia]
    #14238612 - 04/04/11 09:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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and to clarify, i am an idealist philosophically. i'm a platonist for cryin' out loud. i don't think envix and i share dissimilar world views.




well, i don't know either of you personally (or individually, for that matter). i'm only speaking from the small amount of conversation i've observed between the two of you in this thread.

to me it seems you (millzy) are speaking about a manifestation of something outside of and apart from your mind (an entity that had nothing to do with a mere mental hallucination) and envix is speaking about the mind and it's ability to manifest anything (even an entity).

is this an accurate summation or am i off the mark?




okay, well i'll just share what happened. my experience is hard to put into words, but to sum it up briefly, we all witnessed something trying to physically manifest through the vibrations of someone's screams. it was the same sense of "other" that one encounters in dmt hyperspace, but in physical reality, and the vibrations were physically disturbing the space of our camp. this was not a hallucination. i was being operated on by three entities behind my closed eyes while this was happening and could still distinguish between hyperspace and what was going on when i opened my eyes. the entity was not malevolent, but at the same time the impression i got from its display was "i will NOT be ignored and you WILL take this seriously".

hyperspace, beings, ego death, all of that i was ready for. things coming through vibrations into physical reality, i wasn't prepared for. and that's what bothered me for months on end after, like to the point to where i'd be uncomfortable being in my own home in the middle of the day.

i won't deny that our minds are helping to create this state, but there is much more to it imo, and i'm sticking to that model until i'm proven wrong (which i very well might be). i'm a very staunch skeptic, hardly gullible, and very philosophically flexible, but i know what i saw.

and envix, i'm not trying to belittle or insult you by any means, i just have experience that completely contradicts your opinions.


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Re: ive developed a fear for DMT [Re: millzy]
    #14238639 - 04/04/11 09:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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what i'm trying to figure out is if you believe there are forces completely outside of yourself, outside of your mind, that can have influence or power over you?

is there something that can interact with you completely independent of your personal ability to manifest or manipulate it?




i have no idea and don't claim to know

i'm not even sure if anything at all exists outside my own mind, i just go through the motions :drag:


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Re: ive developed a fear for DMT [Re: Envix]
    #14238740 - 04/04/11 09:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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what i'm trying to figure out is if you believe there are forces completely outside of yourself, outside of your mind, that can have influence or power over you?

is there something that can interact with you completely independent of your personal ability to manifest or manipulate it?




i have no idea and don't claim to know

i'm not even sure if anything at all exists outside my own mind, i just go through the motions :drag:




i have no idea either, but i'm open to the possibility that there is.


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