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Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!)
    #14234616 - 04/04/11 02:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/1120567/1/.html

Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea
Posted: 04 April 2011 1558 hrs
  Leaking radioactive contaminated water drain through crack of a maintenance pit into the sea, near the Unit 2 reactor of Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear power plant (AP Photo/Tokyo Electric Power Co.)
 
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TOKYO: Japan plans to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea to free up storage space for more highly contaminated water at its crippled nuclear plant, the plant's operator said on Monday.

A spokesman for Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO), operator of the crisis-hit Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, said the water was only weakly radioactive.

"Highly radioactive waste water has been accumulated at turbine buildings at Fukushima Daiichi, especially at the reactor unit 2," the official told reporters.

"There is a need to release already stored water in order to accept the additional waste water."

About 10,000 tons of radioactive waste water currently stored at a facility at Fukushima will be released into the ocean along with 1,500 tons of water from pits under reactor units 5 and 6 in the six-reactor plant, he said.

He said the release would take place "as soon as necessary preparations are made".

Government spokesman Yukio Edano confirmed the plan at a televised press conference, saying it was the only available option.

"We have no choice but to release water tainted with radioactive materials into the ocean as a safety measure," Edano said.

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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: henk600]
    #14234620 - 04/04/11 02:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I suppose they'll dump water with low/mild levels of radioactivity in order to be able to store water that is dangerously radioactive. Unfortunately, vital information such as degree and type of contamination of the water are rarely if ever mentioned by the popular media.


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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: koraks]
    #14234627 - 04/04/11 02:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

now would be a good time for those spaceships to neutralize the radioactivity... maybe they want to keep hands off?


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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: sleepy]
    #14234656 - 04/04/11 02:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

the aliens who are superior to us in morals and technology will save us. they are watching us all the time like big brothers, we are stupid and need punishment oops i meant saving.


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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #14234685 - 04/04/11 03:17 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think dumping the water at sea is a good way to get rid of it.  Not sure what else they would do.  The sea will dilute it enough so its not a problem.  All of this radioactive metal came from the earth so it is a good idea to put it back there.


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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #14234705 - 04/04/11 03:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

what would be nice is if they could put something in that water that would scare away fish so they don't get tainted with it until it gets properly diluted, hmmm....i wonder if an oil spill would work where's bp when u need them, another cool thing about the oil is it might trap it all along japans costline instead of potentially killing lots and lots of fish since all they are really saying is they need more room instead of posting numbers on the radioactivity, its like they are pulling a quick one and saying here this is your guys problem not ours.

They could at least put the water in barrels and let them float on there costline, im sure we could get them some super quick if they don't already have them.  it might be more practical to just dump it in the ocean, i just feel they should do the "right" thing nomatter how much it costs, and then have the barrels floating around to remind them why they shouldn't rebuild them


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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #14234720 - 04/04/11 03:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I think dumping the water at sea is a good way to get rid of it.  Not sure what else they would do.  The sea will dilute it enough so its not a problem.  All of this radioactive metal came from the earth so it is a good idea to put it back there.




Yeah that's what I was thinking, I don't know what else they would do with it.


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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: Shroomerette]
    #14234733 - 04/04/11 03:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

great... it might dilute but really now... just dump it in the ocean? isn't that what we always resort too? agh... oh well...


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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: akira_akuma]
    #14234758 - 04/04/11 04:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If they scatter it and don't dump it all in one spot it will probably dilute down to unnoticeable amounts really fast.  They either have to put it in the ocean or in the ground and japan has much more ocean to work with than they do land.


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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: Shroomerette]
    #14234763 - 04/04/11 04:13 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The northern hemisphere will be uninhabitable soon. Time to start saving up for a ticket to Australia


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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: Shroomerette]
    #14234772 - 04/04/11 04:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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If they scatter it and don't dump it all in one spot it will probably dilute down to unnoticeable amounts really fast.  They either have to put it in the ocean or in the ground and japan has much more ocean to work with than they do land.



unnoticeable to us and the world stage... but not to the environment nor sea animals. i mean ,the proper measures, for sure, would have to be taken in any event but the Japanese government... has a bad reputation on their hands for environment issues and political backlash, so i'd wager that'd be willing to go behind the backs of people to limit the "backlash" and/or "embarrassment" of their handling of the situation.

so lets just say... my hopes are high that Japan will make the RIGHT desicions, and not fuck it up. but i believe that it's possible they might fuck it up for themselves.


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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: akira_akuma]
    #14234780 - 04/04/11 04:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm pretty sure the radioactive stuff they've been talking about has a raelly short half-life, like 6 days or so.  So if this radioactive water is the same way then it should clear out in a few weeks, especially if it was only weakly radioactive to start with.


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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: Shroomerette]
    #14234788 - 04/04/11 04:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

well, if that's the supposed level of radioactivity, then maybe it's not a big deal for our waters... and i supposed we can't launch the shit into space. :lol:

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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: Shroomerette]
    #14234799 - 04/04/11 04:41 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: vinsue]
    #14234804 - 04/04/11 04:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: vinsue] * 1
    #14234807 - 04/04/11 04:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

so if it only has a halflife of 6 days why don't they just put it in barrels,wait, then bottle it up and sell it to us and label it aquagreen


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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14234810 - 04/04/11 04:50 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What if a given isotope has a short half life but its fission products (presumably radioactive) are significantly longer-lived?


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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14234812 - 04/04/11 04:51 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It doesn't have a half life of 6 days. Some elements do, and they have decayed for the large part by now (in particular iodine 131, which indeed has a half life of about 8 days), but for example cesium 137 has a half life of about 30 years, and it's bound to be present in the water about to be dumped into the ocean.


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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14234815 - 04/04/11 04:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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so if it only has a halflife of 6 days why don't they just put it in barrels,wait, then bottle it up and sell it to us and label it aquagreen



good call.

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It doesn't have a half life of 6 days. Some elements do, and they have decayed for the large part by now (in particular iodine 131, which indeed has a half life of about 8 days), but for example cesium 137 has a half life of about 30 years, and it's bound to be present in the water about to be dumped into the ocean.



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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #14234821 - 04/04/11 04:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Alan Rockefeller said:
I think dumping the water at sea is a good way to get rid of it.  Not sure what else they would do.  The sea will dilute it enough so its not a problem.  All of this radioactive metal came from the earth so it is a good idea to put it back there.





The metal did come from the Earth, indeed. However, nuclear waste is typically a fission product formed after the initial reaction, and results in isotopes that are far from natural. As these unnatural isotopes attempt to stabilize, they release extra energy in the form of radiation.


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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: EgoDeath0290]
    #14234826 - 04/04/11 05:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The metal did come from the Earth, indeed. However, nuclear waste is typically a fission product formed after the initial reaction, and results in isotopes that are far from natural. As these unnatural isotopes attempt to stabilize, they release extra energy in the form of radiation.




interesting.

my knowledge on the subject of radioactive material is pretty much, "shit makes you sick or dead", so thanks for explaining some basics, there...


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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: akira_akuma]
    #14234846 - 04/04/11 05:17 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I may be a little off on this, but if I recall correctly, they typically begin with Uranium 238 (pretty benign stuff, all things considered), the stable Uranium isotope, and basically bombard it with the nucleus of the Hydrogen Isotope Deuterium to split it in half. The massive ammount of heat released is actually sufficient to force the molecule "halves" to re-form into several different isotopes of Plutonium, of which about 5% is actually considered dangerously toxic (which is what's got everyone concerned). I suppose the other 95% falls under the category of "somewhat toxic, but it's your grandkids' problem so don't worry about it". Feel free to add to/ correct me if I said something incorrect.


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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: EgoDeath0290]
    #14234862 - 04/04/11 05:35 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I may be a little off on this, but if I recall correctly, they typically begin with Uranium 238 (pretty benign stuff, all things considered),



Enriched U235, or a combination of uranium 235 and plutonium 239 (from recycled weapons). Other fuels are possible as well (e.g. U233), but are not used on a significant scale (yet). U238 is present as well, but is not an active contributor to the chain reaction.

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the stable Uranium isotope, and basically bombard it with the nucleus of the Hydrogen Isotope Deuterium to split it in half.



Almost; simply put, U235 releases a neutron and a bunch of energy as it decays. The high-speed neutron is then slowed down using a moderator (typically normal, light water in commercial reactors), allowing it to interact with another U235 nucleus, either splitting it or resulting in neutron capture, forming U236.

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The massive ammount of heat released is actually sufficient to force the molecule "halves" to re-form into several different isotopes of Plutonium (which is what's got everyone concerned). Feel free to add to/ correct me if I said something incorrect.



No, U235 decays into thorium. The plutonium in spent nuclear fuel can have two sources: it's either there because it was put in there as part of the fuel (MOx fuel, a means of recycling nuclear weapons), or as a result of U238 capturing a slow neutron, becoming U239 which decays into Np239 and then into Pu239. That's why there is always a small percentage of Pu239 in spent nuclear fuel, even if the reactor isn't specifically intended for the production of plutonium.

Note that there's a whole bunch of other fission products in spent nuclear fuels.


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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: koraks]
    #14234870 - 04/04/11 05:41 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Note that there's a whole bunch of other fission products in spent nuclear fuels.




Yep. We managed to mention about 3% of them between us.

I had my Enriched Uranium and Common Uranium isotopes mixed up.

Lets not forget about Caesium, which is the byproduct of Fission-produced Xenon. Which also happens to be leaking in copious quantities from the land of the rising sun.


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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: EgoDeath0290]
    #14240615 - 04/05/11 08:00 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thank you koraks for your very good info.
Most of us dont know excactly what it is(including me),
so i really respect you great advices.

Our goverments wont tell us the truth since they almost tell anytime lies to the people,including this nuclear world disaster.

It's an fucking scared idea that they dump 11 million liters of radioactive water in our ocean which is connected over the whole world.
it''s even scarier that the goverment let this happen,
cause i know for sure at least 80% of all the people in the world is not happy with this.

Looks like they dont care about the people and just let it flow in the ocean like nothing happens.


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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: henk600]
    #14240694 - 04/05/11 08:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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henk600 said:
Thank you koraks for your very good info.
Most of us dont know excactly what it is(including me),
so i really respect you great advices.



You're welcome.

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Our goverments wont tell us the truth since they almost tell anytime lies to the people,including this nuclear world disaster.



Well, I'm not so convinced that governments are willfully not telling the truth (lying). I think most government officials don't understand a lot about the underlying technology either, so they're struggling themselves to make sense out of the implications of technological disasters such as the one at hand. So it's still good to keep a critical attitude towards the proceedings; not so much out of a sense of mistrust, but in in the awareness of the limitations to the knowledge of the authorities.

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It's an fucking scared idea that they dump 11 million liters of radioactive water in our ocean which is connected over the whole world.



The fact that the oceans are so vast and connected are in my opinion the good news to this particular bit of bad news, as the contamination will be diluted far below any level that could be perceived as worrying.

Btw, I understand from recent media reports (last 16 hours) that the contaminated water we're talking about is indeed only mildly radioactive (I'm not aware of measured levels, so I have to rely on qualifications used in the media) and was apparently in storage as a direct result of the tsunami itself. This implies that it is seawater that has washed into rooms of the reactor buildings, picking up trace amounts of the radioactive materials present there. If this is true, then the radioactivity of that waste water is most likely extremely low in comparison with the water that they are now trying to capture in the basins that they have emptied into the ocean. Sounds like a good call, given the circumstances.


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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: koraks]
    #14241331 - 04/05/11 11:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well thank god a lot of the deadlier radioactive waste hazards have a short decay life...


"Sea water is slightly radioactive: it contains a small but significant amount of radioactive elements that undergo spontaneous radioactive decay and produce energy, subatomic particles, and a remainder, or daughter nucleus, smaller than the original. The particles include alpha particles (two neutrons plus two protons), beta particles (electrons), and gamma energy. The radioactive elements are called radioactive isotopes, or radionuclides, or nuclides. Nearly all of the radioactive material in the ocean is natural, and represents material that has been on Earth since its formation."

These are the radionuclides found in sea water.

Nuclide        Total Mass      Total Activity
Uranium        90μg            1.1 Bq
Thorium        30μg            0.11 Bq
Potassium      17 mg            4,400 Bq
Radium          31 pg            1.1 Bq
Tritium        0.06 pg          23 Bq
Polonium        0.2 pg          37 Bq
Carbon          1.8μg            15,000 Bq


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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: Maverick]
    #14241824 - 04/05/11 01:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: henk600]
    #14243519 - 04/05/11 06:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/1120567/1/.html

Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea
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  Leaking radioactive contaminated water drain through crack of a maintenance pit into the sea, near the Unit 2 reactor of Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear power plant (AP Photo/Tokyo Electric Power Co.)
 
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TOKYO: Japan plans to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea to free up storage space for more highly contaminated water at its crippled nuclear plant, the plant's operator said on Monday.

A spokesman for Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO), operator of the crisis-hit Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, said the water was only weakly radioactive.

"Highly radioactive waste water has been accumulated at turbine buildings at Fukushima Daiichi, especially at the reactor unit 2," the official told reporters.

"There is a need to release already stored water in order to accept the additional waste water."

About 10,000 tons of radioactive waste water currently stored at a facility at Fukushima will be released into the ocean along with 1,500 tons of water from pits under reactor units 5 and 6 in the six-reactor plant, he said.

He said the release would take place "as soon as necessary preparations are made".

Government spokesman Yukio Edano confirmed the plan at a televised press conference, saying it was the only available option.

"We have no choice but to release water tainted with radioactive materials into the ocean as a safety measure," Edano said.

- AFP/fa





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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: EgoDeath0290]
    #14243570 - 04/05/11 06:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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EgoDeath0290 said:
Quote:

Alan Rockefeller said:
I think dumping the water at sea is a good way to get rid of it.  Not sure what else they would do.  The sea will dilute it enough so its not a problem.  All of this radioactive metal came from the earth so it is a good idea to put it back there.





The metal did come from the Earth, indeed. However, nuclear waste is typically a fission product formed after the initial reaction, and results in isotopes that are far from natural. As these unnatural isotopes attempt to stabilize, they release extra energy in the form of radiation.





when the hell has japan ever cared about the environment? they are one of the few countries left in the world that hunts whales/dolphins like it's nobodies business, even though they are going extinct.

japan couldn't give a shit less. the only reason why they are even allowed to hunt those dolphins/whales is because the laws dictating they can't are in international/national waters, i guess including their own. but their own laws don't prohibit them from going and attacking these animals on waters that have no nationality, like the antarctic waters. those areas belong to no one, so they can do whatever they want.


japan is retarded, i doubt they give a shit about the pollution. and i'll bet they'll fish the same waters they dump it on, knowing them and how retarded they are. probably people will be getting cancer from japanese fish products for years to come :lol:


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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: Maverick]
    #14244078 - 04/05/11 08:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Well thank god a lot of the deadlier radioactive waste hazards have a short decay life...


"Sea water is slightly radioactive: it contains a small but significant amount of radioactive elements that undergo spontaneous radioactive decay and produce energy, subatomic particles, and a remainder, or daughter nucleus, smaller than the original. The particles include alpha particles (two neutrons plus two protons), beta particles (electrons), and gamma energy. The radioactive elements are called radioactive isotopes, or radionuclides, or nuclides. Nearly all of the radioactive material in the ocean is natural, and represents material that has been on Earth since its formation."

These are the radionuclides found in sea water.

Nuclide        Total Mass      Total Activity
Uranium        90μg            1.1 Bq
Thorium        30μg            0.11 Bq
Potassium      17 mg            4,400 Bq
Radium          31 pg            1.1 Bq
Tritium        0.06 pg          23 Bq
Polonium        0.2 pg          37 Bq
Carbon          1.8μg            15,000 Bq




Needs a citation. Entire article is very interesting and is a good read for anyone (like me) that didn't know this before. Also, the list you posted is actually a table of the total masses of various radionuclides in an average adult human body. (also something I did not know. maybe the potassium and carbon, but everything else, I had no idea was inside me.)

The Unit Bq is a measure of decays per second. So the lower the number, the longer the stuff sticks around.


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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: EgoDeath0290]
    #14244086 - 04/05/11 08:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I just hear dthere is radioactive milk in Oregon.

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    #14244102 - 04/05/11 08:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah they're reporting the fuck out of the .0000001 rad increase in the milk all over, like the panic inducin' news likes ta :smilingpuppy:


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    #14244113 - 04/05/11 08:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Really, I heard it second hand. I asked my wife if the milk was more radioactive than a banana.

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    #14245153 - 04/05/11 10:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

koraks, could you trap the radioactive particles with a magnet?  seawater contains lots of dissolved non-radioactive metals, i think?, but with a strong enough electromagnet you could just slowly pass the water over the magnet and scrape off the metals every once in a while when it gets a thin layer on it.  then just sequester this stuff in barrels or concrete or wherever?


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    #14245222 - 04/05/11 10:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

newest draft:

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solution!  A- at least.  i'm taking the rest of the semester off


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    #14245342 - 04/05/11 11:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

koraks if this idea is good get it to the people who can actually do something



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    #14245367 - 04/05/11 11:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Are all radioactive particles magnetic?


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    #14245399 - 04/05/11 11:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i don't know

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    #14245415 - 04/05/11 11:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Are all radioactive particles magnetic?




i do know now... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramagnetism
uranium at least is magnetic in the presence of external magnetism, which is what this idea uses


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    #14245441 - 04/05/11 11:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)



I blogged it.  feel free to share with anyone you want.

http://oilleaksolution.blogspot.com/2011/04/fukushima-solution.html


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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) *DELETED* [Re: sleepy]
    #14245658 - 04/06/11 12:39 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

its much much easier to just dump it into the ocean and ask questions later, inwhich case i think they've already done this dumping or am i wrong


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    #14245885 - 04/06/11 02:03 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

yeah but they dumped it to make room for much more radioactive water, which is probably going to be dumped sooner or later unless something is done to remove the radioactivity or some other solution is found.  Just wondering here, but couldn't it be stored in those big metal milk trucks or something?


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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) *DELETED* [Re: sleepy]
    #14245950 - 04/06/11 02:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

An article from one of the places i've been getting some news from, www.world-nuclear-news.org. Seems pretty unbiased and they go into actual details which is a pretty key issue for me.

Oh and they included the part in the end which most other 'news' organizations skipped over for some reason...

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Large release of water
04 April 2011
Thousands of tonnes of contaminated water are to be discharged from Fukushima Daiichi to give plant operators a better chance to manage more serious contamination.

Tokyo Electric Power Company (Tepco) has faced increasing problems with large bodies of water at the nuclear power plant site, some of which have significant levels of radioactivity. While turbine buildings have flooded basements, cabling trenches are also full of water. Of particular concern are the waters in unit 2, where dose rates at the surface reach over 1000 millisieverts per hour. Efforts are ongoing to plug a 20 centimetre crack at unit 2 that was allowing contaminated water to flow directly into sea.

Food
Some 134 samples of various foods from twelve prefectures around Japan have been taken in the last three days. They included a range of fruit, vegetables and milk as well as beef and pork. All but one showed either no detection of iodine-131 or caesium-137 or levels within limits. The single affected food was shiitake mushrooms from Fukushima prefecture.
Now, the Japanese government has approved Tepco's plan to move the most contaminated water to the central radioactive waste treatment facility. This means that the stocks of water already present there have to be displaced, taking with them low levels of radioactivity.

Some 10,000 tonnes of this will be allowed to enter the sea, Tepco said, as well as 1500 tonnes from the sub drain pits of units 5 and 6. Subsurface water is running into the buildings of those units and Tepco said this could eventually affect safety equipment.

The company calculates that a person who ate fish and seaweed from the nearby sea every day would have an additional radiation dose of 0.6 millisieverts per year, but did not say how long this would continue. The additiona dose compares to the 2.4 millisieverts people receive from natural sources each year.





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    #14245954 - 04/06/11 02:35 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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when the hell has japan ever cared about the environment? they are one of the few countries left in the world that hunts whales/dolphins like it's nobodies business, even though they are going extinct.




FYI: Japan is the country with the longest track record in sustainable management of environmental resources. In particular, they have implemented sustainable forestry back in the 16th century. Moreover, respect for just about anything is deeply ingrained into the Japanese culture. Yes, the Japanese hunt whales. I don't approve of that. But please explain to me why whale burger is bad, but tuna is simply the chicken of the seas and therefore fair game. I know you don't eat tuna yourself, but many of your fellow Americans do, and your country also fishes for tuna. So you're basically a retarded society too, right? And don't get me started on the nuclear mess you guys have up there at the Hanford site, which nobody complains about, but I can guarantee you that the radioactive contamination there is much more substantial than the effects of Fukushima will ever be. Note also that a significant portion of the radioactive contamination in the atmosphere is the direct result of US nuclear open air tests. In that light, it's very convenient that another country experiences a major nuclear mishap once in a while; it creates the ground for that cozy superior feeling you're radiating right now.

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Are all radioactive particles magnetic?



i do know now... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramagnetism



I doubt this property will be usable for the elements we're talking about here. Perhaps someone with a bit more knowledge of physics could chime in.

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uranium at least is magnetic in the presence of external magnetism, which is what this idea uses



Uranium is not of a major concern in the waste water that has been dumped, as it is unlikely to be present there in any significant amounts. I'm not sure if the contaminants that are likely to be present in the waste water can successfully be separated using magnetism.


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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: koraks]
    #14245962 - 04/06/11 02:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)


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By the middle of the 20th century, however, industrial whaling had left many species seriously endangered, leading to the end of whaling in all but a few countries.




because they didn't care.


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    #14245963 - 04/06/11 02:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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    #14245967 - 04/06/11 02:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You want me to post pictures of Japanese girls loving octopus now? :naughty: 'Cause if that proves anything, then the Japanese 'care' A LOT about marine life, I can tell you.


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    #14245978 - 04/06/11 02:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

the pictures with subtext were to show the "difference" between the 2 altho im not even sure if thats really a tuna or not but close enough, the kissing was more for comedy hell the first picture could be a Japanese.

but there's a difference alright, 1 is intelligent the other not so much, they hunt endangered species of high intelligence, that marks them pretty low in my book seeing as how 1 of the species they hunt is known for saving humans from time to time.

if i saw someone kill a dolphin on purpose, id shoot them no questions asked...were talking about flipper here


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    #14245981 - 04/06/11 02:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

grr, the cove actually kinda pissed me off... who's seen it?


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the pictures with subtext were to show the "difference" between the 2 altho im not even sure if thats really a tuna or not but close enough, the kissing was more for comedy hell the first picture could be a Japanese.



That kid looks about as Japanese as I do.

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but there's a difference alright, 1 is intelligent the other not so much, they hunt endangered species of high intelligence, that marks them pretty low in my book seeing as how 1 of the species they hunt is known for saving humans from time to time.



No doubt whales are more intelligent than tunafish, but by that logic, you couldn't eat bacon either. Not to mention the recent scientific developments that suggest that fish have a lot more 'intelligence' than we previously thought. How intelligent is a tuna fish exactly? You don't know, so you just assume it's a dumb animal. Which it very likely isn't.

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if i saw someone kill a dolphin on purpose, id shoot them no questions asked...were talking about flipper here




Wage a war with the Danes then. And since baby seals are cute too, better wipe out the Canadians while you're at it. But I reiterate: if intelligence is your criterion, then start by annihilating the pork industry, because that dwarfs all the whale, seal and dolphin hunting worldwide. And pigs are intelligent too. Much more so than dogs, which apparently shouldn't be consumed either according to the sentimental Westerners.

All I'm saying is that this sort of reasoning is pretty willy-nilly. Judging a nation on this basis without questioning your own beliefs is extremely shortsighted IMO. And extending a judgement based on the argument of one activity (whaling) to a generalization about a nation's stance in the environmental debate is downright moronic. If continued whaling and in this particular case the release of slightly radioactive water (in order to prevent release of more serious contamination) means that a nation is inherently evil, then all of us in the West should worry even more about our moral position. Because the only right we have left then is to keep our fucking traps shut and sort our own stuff out instead of ignoring our own huge faults while enlarging the flaws of others.

Btw, this is the last I'm going to say in this thread on the hypocrisy of spoiled Western brats. I'm no fucking preacher, leave alone a saint. If people are willing to be critical of their own society, then I'll support them. If they want to believe that they're inherently superior, then by all means keep your eyes shut, but don't start whining when you keep running into brick walls.


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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: koraks]
    #14246028 - 04/06/11 03:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

well its nice to know we have some foreigners, no wonder u know so much about these reactors

i did mention something about being endangered you might have skipped over that part, regardless i think a dolphin dwarfs the intelligence of a tuna or a pig and thats exactly what i said in my last post, tuna not so much.  Lines have to be drawn between food and nonfood, and a dolphin at this point just isn't food anymore.  Not only is a dolphin intelligent, its one of our closest rivals next to the apes and such.  And pigs or tuna don't exactly make a habit out of saving humans now do they?

oh and there not dumping the waste water into the ocean so they can contain more dangerous waste water, there dumping it into the ocean because they don't want to shell out the cash to store it, which would cut into there endangered species rampage.  and i never said i was a supporter of our polices either, i debate topics, this is the one at hand


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you don't have to be smart at all, whats your point?


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i do know now... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramagnetism



I doubt this property will be usable for the elements we're talking about here. Perhaps someone with a bit more knowledge of physics could chime in.



In the fission process 3 types of ionizing energy are emitted. Helium nuclei and electons/positrons are charged and have high kinetic energy meaning that they create a magnetic field and are influenced by such. However, this is sort of irrelevant since its the actual isotopes you're interested in. I dont know much much on the magnetic properties of the various nuclides but I suppose some nuclei will exhibit magnetic properties. Also are there ionic isotopes that have lost electrons from their shells during the fission process?


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i do know now... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramagnetism



I doubt this property will be usable for the elements we're talking about here. Perhaps someone with a bit more knowledge of physics could chime in.



In the fission process 3 types of ionizing energy are emitted. Helium nuclei and electons/positrons are charged and have high kinetic energy meaning that they create a magnetic field and are influenced by such. However, this is sort of irrelevant since its the actual isotopes you're interested in. I dont know much much on the magnetic properties of the various nuclides but I suppose some nuclei will exhibit magnetic properties. Also are there ionic isotopes that have lost electrons from their shells during the fission process?




Ernest Rutherford discovered this. The particles with no charge (or at least so much energy that they are unaffected by most magnetic fields) are called gamma particles.


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    #14246771 - 04/06/11 10:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:yesnod: that was the third type

Does anyone know what exactly is the radioactive vehicle? Is it like tiny chunks of spent fuel rods or a gas or what?


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    #14246800 - 04/06/11 10:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Don't know about that.  As for your Radioactive ions, check out Radioactive Ion Beam Optimization. Its a method for creating isotopes (mostly with very short half-lives) by removing selected neutrons and/or protons from the nucleus. Oviously, removing a proton would create an anion of sorts, although not in the sense that we would usually think of it (gaining an electron in the valence shell by ionization or by excitement, etc)


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* Japan is a lil under par here LethalX5 1,725 17 09/03/05 01:37 AM
by LethalX5
* shroomerites from Japan ? KOPELANDIAA 906 2 04/26/03 10:56 PM
by bert
* 800 meter x 500 meter shroom PoC 435 2 09/26/04 08:35 PM
by Hooty
* Power to the Peaceful Festival San Francisco +++AFTER PARTY!
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Phishgrrl 4,178 73 09/09/04 01:13 AM
by Corporal Kielbasa
* Im about to submit an $11,200 contract proposal! Oh MY GOD ZippoZM 1,764 13 04/01/05 04:36 PM
by ZippoZ
* Going to Japan!!!
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nicechrisman 4,517 47 08/09/04 08:07 PM
by nicechrisman

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