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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: sleepy]
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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: sleepy]
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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) *DELETED* [Re: sleepy]
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its much much easier to just dump it into the ocean and ask questions later, inwhich case i think they've already done this dumping or am i wrong
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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) *DELETED* [Re: makaveli8x8]
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yeah but they dumped it to make room for much more radioactive water, which is probably going to be dumped sooner or later unless something is done to remove the radioactivity or some other solution is found. Just wondering here, but couldn't it be stored in those big metal milk trucks or something?
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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) *DELETED* [Re: sleepy]
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An article from one of the places i've been getting some news from, www.world-nuclear-news.org. Seems pretty unbiased and they go into actual details which is a pretty key issue for me.
Oh and they included the part in the end which most other 'news' organizations skipped over for some reason...
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Large release of water 04 April 2011 Thousands of tonnes of contaminated water are to be discharged from Fukushima Daiichi to give plant operators a better chance to manage more serious contamination. Tokyo Electric Power Company (Tepco) has faced increasing problems with large bodies of water at the nuclear power plant site, some of which have significant levels of radioactivity. While turbine buildings have flooded basements, cabling trenches are also full of water. Of particular concern are the waters in unit 2, where dose rates at the surface reach over 1000 millisieverts per hour. Efforts are ongoing to plug a 20 centimetre crack at unit 2 that was allowing contaminated water to flow directly into sea. Food Some 134 samples of various foods from twelve prefectures around Japan have been taken in the last three days. They included a range of fruit, vegetables and milk as well as beef and pork. All but one showed either no detection of iodine-131 or caesium-137 or levels within limits. The single affected food was shiitake mushrooms from Fukushima prefecture. Now, the Japanese government has approved Tepco's plan to move the most contaminated water to the central radioactive waste treatment facility. This means that the stocks of water already present there have to be displaced, taking with them low levels of radioactivity. Some 10,000 tonnes of this will be allowed to enter the sea, Tepco said, as well as 1500 tonnes from the sub drain pits of units 5 and 6. Subsurface water is running into the buildings of those units and Tepco said this could eventually affect safety equipment. The company calculates that a person who ate fish and seaweed from the nearby sea every day would have an additional radiation dose of 0.6 millisieverts per year, but did not say how long this would continue. The additiona dose compares to the 2.4 millisieverts people receive from natural sources each year.
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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: sleepy]
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imachavel said: when the hell has japan ever cared about the environment? they are one of the few countries left in the world that hunts whales/dolphins like it's nobodies business, even though they are going extinct.
FYI: Japan is the country with the longest track record in sustainable management of environmental resources. In particular, they have implemented sustainable forestry back in the 16th century. Moreover, respect for just about anything is deeply ingrained into the Japanese culture. Yes, the Japanese hunt whales. I don't approve of that. But please explain to me why whale burger is bad, but tuna is simply the chicken of the seas and therefore fair game. I know you don't eat tuna yourself, but many of your fellow Americans do, and your country also fishes for tuna. So you're basically a retarded society too, right? And don't get me started on the nuclear mess you guys have up there at the Hanford site, which nobody complains about, but I can guarantee you that the radioactive contamination there is much more substantial than the effects of Fukushima will ever be. Note also that a significant portion of the radioactive contamination in the atmosphere is the direct result of US nuclear open air tests. In that light, it's very convenient that another country experiences a major nuclear mishap once in a while; it creates the ground for that cozy superior feeling you're radiating right now.
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twighead said: Are all radioactive particles magnetic?
i do know now... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramagnetism
I doubt this property will be usable for the elements we're talking about here. Perhaps someone with a bit more knowledge of physics could chime in.
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uranium at least is magnetic in the presence of external magnetism, which is what this idea uses
Uranium is not of a major concern in the waste water that has been dumped, as it is unlikely to be present there in any significant amounts. I'm not sure if the contaminants that are likely to be present in the waste water can successfully be separated using magnetism.
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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: koraks]
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By the middle of the 20th century, however, industrial whaling had left many species seriously endangered, leading to the end of whaling in all but a few countries.
because they didn't care.
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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: twighead]
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2/3 of them are charged
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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: makaveli8x8]
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You want me to post pictures of Japanese girls loving octopus now? 'Cause if that proves anything, then the Japanese 'care' A LOT about marine life, I can tell you.
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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: koraks]
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the pictures with subtext were to show the "difference" between the 2 altho im not even sure if thats really a tuna or not but close enough, the kissing was more for comedy hell the first picture could be a Japanese.
but there's a difference alright, 1 is intelligent the other not so much, they hunt endangered species of high intelligence, that marks them pretty low in my book seeing as how 1 of the species they hunt is known for saving humans from time to time.
if i saw someone kill a dolphin on purpose, id shoot them no questions asked...were talking about flipper here
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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: makaveli8x8]
#14245981 - 04/06/11 02:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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grr, the cove actually kinda pissed me off... who's seen it?
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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: makaveli8x8]
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makaveli8x8 said: the pictures with subtext were to show the "difference" between the 2 altho im not even sure if thats really a tuna or not but close enough, the kissing was more for comedy hell the first picture could be a Japanese.
That kid looks about as Japanese as I do.
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but there's a difference alright, 1 is intelligent the other not so much, they hunt endangered species of high intelligence, that marks them pretty low in my book seeing as how 1 of the species they hunt is known for saving humans from time to time.
No doubt whales are more intelligent than tunafish, but by that logic, you couldn't eat bacon either. Not to mention the recent scientific developments that suggest that fish have a lot more 'intelligence' than we previously thought. How intelligent is a tuna fish exactly? You don't know, so you just assume it's a dumb animal. Which it very likely isn't.
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if i saw someone kill a dolphin on purpose, id shoot them no questions asked...were talking about flipper here
Wage a war with the Danes then. And since baby seals are cute too, better wipe out the Canadians while you're at it. But I reiterate: if intelligence is your criterion, then start by annihilating the pork industry, because that dwarfs all the whale, seal and dolphin hunting worldwide. And pigs are intelligent too. Much more so than dogs, which apparently shouldn't be consumed either according to the sentimental Westerners.
All I'm saying is that this sort of reasoning is pretty willy-nilly. Judging a nation on this basis without questioning your own beliefs is extremely shortsighted IMO. And extending a judgement based on the argument of one activity (whaling) to a generalization about a nation's stance in the environmental debate is downright moronic. If continued whaling and in this particular case the release of slightly radioactive water (in order to prevent release of more serious contamination) means that a nation is inherently evil, then all of us in the West should worry even more about our moral position. Because the only right we have left then is to keep our fucking traps shut and sort our own stuff out instead of ignoring our own huge faults while enlarging the flaws of others.
Btw, this is the last I'm going to say in this thread on the hypocrisy of spoiled Western brats. I'm no fucking preacher, leave alone a saint. If people are willing to be critical of their own society, then I'll support them. If they want to believe that they're inherently superior, then by all means keep your eyes shut, but don't start whining when you keep running into brick walls.
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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: koraks]
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well its nice to know we have some foreigners, no wonder u know so much about these reactors
i did mention something about being endangered you might have skipped over that part, regardless i think a dolphin dwarfs the intelligence of a tuna or a pig and thats exactly what i said in my last post, tuna not so much. Lines have to be drawn between food and nonfood, and a dolphin at this point just isn't food anymore. Not only is a dolphin intelligent, its one of our closest rivals next to the apes and such. And pigs or tuna don't exactly make a habit out of saving humans now do they?
oh and there not dumping the waste water into the ocean so they can contain more dangerous waste water, there dumping it into the ocean because they don't want to shell out the cash to store it, which would cut into there endangered species rampage. and i never said i was a supporter of our polices either, i debate topics, this is the one at hand
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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: makaveli8x8]
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how smart do you have to be to feel pain
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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: sleepy]
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you don't have to be smart at all, whats your point?
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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: makaveli8x8]
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We are so fucked...
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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: henk600]
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Lake Karachay has competition.
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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: koraks]
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twighead said: Are all radioactive particles magnetic?
i do know now... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramagnetism
I doubt this property will be usable for the elements we're talking about here. Perhaps someone with a bit more knowledge of physics could chime in.
In the fission process 3 types of ionizing energy are emitted. Helium nuclei and electons/positrons are charged and have high kinetic energy meaning that they create a magnetic field and are influenced by such. However, this is sort of irrelevant since its the actual isotopes you're interested in. I dont know much much on the magnetic properties of the various nuclides but I suppose some nuclei will exhibit magnetic properties. Also are there ionic isotopes that have lost electrons from their shells during the fission process?
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Re: Japan to dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water at sea(WTF!) [Re: mellowparty]
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twighead said: Are all radioactive particles magnetic?
i do know now... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramagnetism
I doubt this property will be usable for the elements we're talking about here. Perhaps someone with a bit more knowledge of physics could chime in.
In the fission process 3 types of ionizing energy are emitted. Helium nuclei and electons/positrons are charged and have high kinetic energy meaning that they create a magnetic field and are influenced by such. However, this is sort of irrelevant since its the actual isotopes you're interested in. I dont know much much on the magnetic properties of the various nuclides but I suppose some nuclei will exhibit magnetic properties. Also are there ionic isotopes that have lost electrons from their shells during the fission process?
Ernest Rutherford discovered this. The particles with no charge (or at least so much energy that they are unaffected by most magnetic fields) are called gamma particles.
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