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Hitsuzen
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Did It Burst?!?
#14234343 - 04/04/11 12:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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PC'd two 0.2 micron filter 'non-presealable' patch bags. They were pre-sealed.
Fully inflated, they would be about 95% the volume of the PC. The PC was lined (top, sides and bottoms) with foil. A plate was placed on top of the bags.
The heat was gradually reduced over the course of 10 minutes.
Burst or no burst? I'll have the result once the PC cools down.
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Re: Did It Burst?!? [Re: Hitsuzen]
#14234353 - 04/04/11 12:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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You're probably ok
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slapphappypill said: You're probably ok
Thanks man. I think so too... It was a $3 investment in the NAME OF SCIENCE. I keep hearing people saying pre-sealing is bad-- especially with 0.2 micron bags. I don't think so, though.
A pre-sealed 0.2 micron spawn bag would minimize contamination risk as well as prepinning. So I want to make it work.
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Re: Did It Burst?!? [Re: Hitsuzen]
#14234376 - 04/04/11 12:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I pc'd mine yesterday, 2 out of 6 busted..and the only reason the 2 did was because they touched the side of the PC.
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unless they touched the sides and melted I think they are gunna be fine. I was told by my friend when he started to train me to let the pc cool down real good or the bags inflate like airbags when you open the pc.
he would preseal the 2 micron but stack 4 in a 930 with a canning rack on top with all four bags in a home made wire basket. He switched to the presealable ones later and that is what he gave me.
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Re: Did It Burst?!? [Re: Hitsuzen]
#14234402 - 04/04/11 01:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It sounds like the consensus is that presealed 0.2 micron bags are not impossible. I've heard some TC's naysay about this. I think if you do it right, you'll be fine.
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Re: Did It Burst?!? [Re: Hitsuzen]
#14234422 - 04/04/11 01:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Of course, it's a working hypothesis. I'll open the PC in a bit.
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Re: Did It Burst?!? *DELETED* [Re: argg]
#14234423 - 04/04/11 01:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Did It Burst?!? [Re: Morelman]
#14234558 - 04/04/11 02:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'll post the revelatory results once we get 10 votes.
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Re: Did It Burst?!? [Re: Hitsuzen]
#14234577 - 04/04/11 02:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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100% sure everything went smooth
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Re: Did It Burst?!? [Re: Hitsuzen]
#14234762 - 04/04/11 04:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Keep votin' folks. The results are in!
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Re: Did It Burst?!? [Re: Hitsuzen]
#14234940 - 04/04/11 06:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't understand any benefit to pre-sealing. When I pull the bags out the tops are totally flattened out and pressed closed.
I like individually wrapping the bags in foil. It's a great precaution. You'll never have a melted bag again. Takes a few seconds per bag and the foil is re-usable.
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Re: Did It Burst?!? [Re: anonjon]
#14234962 - 04/04/11 06:48 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Btw the pre-sealable bags have a .5 micron filter, not .2 .
I don't like em, I think they lead to increased contamns and faster drying out of spawn.
The mad season however claims: Despite claims by some vendors that presealable bags have higher contamination rates due to the larger pore size of the filters, we have found that this is simply not true based on our own extensive experience with these bags. We have used and sold tens of thousands of these bags over the years and have found no difference in contamination rates compared to the 0.2 micron filter bags and have found that they work much better for invitro fruiting.
I like using the .2 micron bags and sealing them with these:
 It's just a simple plastic clip that makes it easy to reuse bags and makes g2g easy too.
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Re: Did It Burst?!? [Re: anonjon]
#14236170 - 04/04/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Where did u get those clips anon? Adding on to .2 micron bags, u can always seal the bags and leave about an inch unsealed in order to prevent the bags from bursting. After the PC has cooled down, seal the remaining portion and you should be fine.
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Re: Did It Burst?!? [Re: Hitsuzen]
#14236371 - 04/04/11 02:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Those clips are cool. The bags didn't burst, btw.
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Re: Did It Burst?!? [Re: mickle207]
#14236503 - 04/04/11 02:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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mickle207 said: u can always seal the bags and leave about an inch unsealed in order to prevent the bags from bursting. After the PC has cooled down, seal the remaining portion and you should be fine.
But why? Just seal them when you take them out of the PC. The top gets flattened and seals itself. All you have to do is pull it out and impulse seal / clip / tape / or twist tie.
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Re: Did It Burst?!? [Re: anonjon]
#14236536 - 04/04/11 02:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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anonjon said:
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mickle207 said: u can always seal the bags and leave about an inch unsealed in order to prevent the bags from bursting. After the PC has cooled down, seal the remaining portion and you should be fine.
But why? Just seal them when you take them out of the PC. The top gets flattened and seals itself. All you have to do is pull it out and impulse seal / clip / tape / or twist tie.
exactly, i sealed mine because it was my first time using them and didn't know better...
but this makes perfect sense, plus it'll be easier to slip top openin a sterile enviroment enough to G2G, or shove a wedge in, then seal it up..
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Re: Did It Burst?!? [Re: anonjon]
#14236556 - 04/04/11 02:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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anonjon said:
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mickle207 said: u can always seal the bags and leave about an inch unsealed in order to prevent the bags from bursting. After the PC has cooled down, seal the remaining portion and you should be fine.
But why? Just seal them when you take them out of the PC. The top gets flattened and seals itself. All you have to do is pull it out and impulse seal / clip / tape / or twist tie.
Peace of mind methinks.
I'm going to try what you recommend later on today. Maybe I can save a few bags that way!
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Re: Did It Burst?!? [Re: Hitsuzen]
#14236740 - 04/04/11 03:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Save em all. If you don't impulse seal you can reuse em.
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Re: Did It Burst?!? [Re: anonjon]
#14237002 - 04/04/11 03:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Why do we need a poll for this??
Try wrapping them in towels. Fuck the aluminum foil its a waste of time.
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Re: Did It Burst?!? [Re: bbt0009]
#14237227 - 04/04/11 04:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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bbt0009 said: Why do we need a poll for this??
Because I was having fun with it. Sorry..
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Re: Did It Burst?!? [Re: bbt0009]
#14237586 - 04/04/11 06:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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bbt0009 said: Why do we need a poll for this??
Try wrapping them in towels. Fuck the aluminum foil its a waste of time.
Fuck the towels. That's retarded.
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Re: Did It Burst?!? [Re: anonjon]
#14237716 - 04/04/11 06:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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anonjon said:
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bbt0009 said: Why do we need a poll for this??
Try wrapping them in towels. Fuck the aluminum foil its a waste of time.
Fuck the towels. That's retarded.
Oh yea lol. I guess you got it all figured out then bud. Keep wasting your time with aluminum foil i'll keep
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Re: Did It Burst?!? [Re: bbt0009]
#14237760 - 04/04/11 06:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think towels are winning...
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Re: Did It Burst?!? [Re: Mad River]
#14238231 - 04/04/11 08:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Mad River said: I think towels are winning...
I was told by someone who cooked thousands of bags who said towels work fine but he made a wire rack that holds them away from the walls and used that for a while. That was faster then the towels.
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Re: Did It Burst?!? [Re: argg]
#14238369 - 04/04/11 08:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I was referring to the Charlie Sheen reference.
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Re: Did It Burst?!? [Re: Mad River]
#14238439 - 04/04/11 08:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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who?
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Re: Did It Burst?!? [Re: bbt0009]
#14238562 - 04/04/11 09:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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bbt0009 said: Oh yea lol. I guess you got it all figured out then bud. Keep wasting your time with aluminum foil i'll keep 
Nuh uh. I'm winning. You keep wasting your time with towels.
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Re: Did It Burst?!? [Re: anonjon]
#14238575 - 04/04/11 09:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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anonjon said:
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bbt0009 said: Oh yea lol. I guess you got it all figured out then bud. Keep wasting your time with aluminum foil i'll keep 
Nuh uh. I'm winning. You keep wasting your time with towels.
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Re: Did It Burst?!? [Re: argg]
#14238595 - 04/04/11 09:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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argg said:
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Mad River said: I think towels are winning...
I was told by someone who cooked thousands of bags who said towels work fine but he made a wire rack that holds them away from the walls and used that for a while. That was faster then the towels.
The rack and aluminum foil are both fine to use. I've never had a fail with the towel though. I wrap 10lb bags with one bath towel and I've never had a bag burst.
As for those tryin to hate on the towels.. calm down children. Patience will teach you much more than aggresion in this hobby
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Re: Did It Burst?!? [Re: bbt0009]
#14238613 - 04/04/11 09:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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bbt0009 said: As for those tryin to hate on the towels.. calm down children. Patience will teach you much more than aggresion in this hobby
Nuh uh. You're an aggressive hatin child. I'm patient.
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Re: Did It Burst?!? [Re: anonjon]
#14238680 - 04/04/11 09:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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bbt0009 said:
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argg said:
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Mad River said: I think towels are winning...
I was told by someone who cooked thousands of bags who said towels work fine but he made a wire rack that holds them away from the walls and used that for a while. That was faster then the towels.
The rack and aluminum foil are both fine to use. I've never had a fail with the towel though. I wrap 10lb bags with one bath towel and I've never had a bag burst.
As for those tryin to hate on the towels.. calm down children. Patience will teach you much more than aggresion in this hobby
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bbt0009 said: As for those tryin to hate on the towels.. calm down children. Patience will teach you much more than aggresion in this hobby
Nuh uh. You're an aggressive hatin child. I'm patient.
I'm gonna be the bigger man and walk away
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Re: Did It Burst?!? [Re: bbt0009]
#14241441 - 04/05/11 11:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nuh uh. I'm gonna be the bigger man and walk away.
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Re: Did It Burst?!? [Re: anonjon]
#14241956 - 04/05/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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if we go by size and weight I am the biggest man and I will roll away.
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