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America is dumb for invading Libya
    #14232918 - 04/03/11 07:42 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Everyone knows that we can only let so many people into this country.
The more people that want to be in our country, the higher the value of our citizenship, which in turn creates more pressure to be a better country.

The people up top must realize that we need the market pressure of those subjugated communists to make sure our free people our working hard.

If America is making the world free.. then who is America??????

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Re: America is dumb for invading Libya [Re: smokintheherb]
    #14233030 - 04/03/11 08:04 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I agree. American citizenship is cool and all, but to think that America had some sort of "manifest destiny"-type of duty to 'free' the rest of the world is fairly pretentious, imo. We should focus on bettering our own country before we begin to dictate the wellbeing of other nations, and even if that means we might jeopardize certain commercial and industrial interests or ventures. Money is far too powerful nowadays to the point where it could mean life or death. If human life can be translated into a monetary sum, then aren't we all just commercial products, ultimately left to ride the fluctuating fiscal waves of global economy?


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Re: America is dumb for invading Libya [Re: meatcakeman]
    #14234759 - 04/04/11 04:07 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

in my opinion, not exactly but it's a nice way to say, "you're selling your soul to make life honest" and that sir, is practically almost as immense as literally being commerce and inanimate, if that was possible.

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Re: America is dumb for invading Libya [Re: smokintheherb]
    #14235006 - 04/04/11 07:11 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

The US has not invaded Libya.


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Re: America is dumb for invading Libya [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14235811 - 04/04/11 11:58 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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zappaisgod said:
The US has not invaded Libya.




Well, yes, you are right. We launched missiles at them. Pardon the misnomer of my thread title.

"America is dumb for launching missiles at Libya"

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Re: America is dumb for invading Libya [Re: smokintheherb]
    #14235837 - 04/04/11 12:04 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

America didn't launch missiles at Libya.  The imperial Obama did without any input from the Congress, which is actually the governing body that represents America for all but emergency self protection.


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Re: America is dumb for invading Libya [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14235844 - 04/04/11 12:05 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

We didn't do anything except give weapons to people who shouldn't have weapons


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Re: America is dumb for invading Libya [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14235885 - 04/04/11 12:16 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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zappaisgod said:
America didn't launch missiles at Libya.  The imperial Obama did without any input from the Congress, which is actually the governing body that represents America for all but emergency self protection.




Do you think Congress was against this move?

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Re: America is dumb for invading Libya [Re: smokintheherb]
    #14235920 - 04/04/11 12:24 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Hard to say.  The precise move with no discernable goal?

Then there is this:
http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2011/04/obamas-gulf-of-benghazi-incident.html

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Monday, April 4, 2011
Obama's Gulf of Benghazi Incident
Something about it always struck me as a stretch, but the words of Muammar Gaddafi, repeated endlessly in the media and from the White House, seemed to portent doom in Benghazi.

Now Steve Chapman has put the lie to the Obama claim that military intervention was needed to prevent near-genocide in Benzhazi.  As Chapman documents, the speech by Gaddafi on which Obama relied and relies not only did not state that there would be mass murder, but actually stated that there would not be mass murder (emphasis mine):

   
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In his March 26 radio address, Obama said the United States acted because Gadhafi threatened "a bloodbath." Two days later, he asserted, "We knew that if we waited one more day, Benghazi -- a city nearly the size of Charlotte -- could suffer a massacre that would have reverberated across the region and stained the conscience of the world."

    Really? Obama implied that, absent our intervention, Gadhafi might have killed nearly 700,000 people, putting it in a class with the 1994 genocide in Rwanda. White House adviser Dennis Ross was only slightly less alarmist when he reportedly cited "the real or imminent possibility that up to a 100,000 people could be massacred."

    But these are outlandish scenarios that go beyond any reasonable interpretation of Gadhafi's words. He said, "We will have no mercy on them" -- but by "them," he plainly was referring to armed rebels ("traitors") who stand and fight, not all the city's inhabitants.

    "We have left the way open to them," he said. "Escape. Let those who escape go forever." He pledged that "whoever hands over his weapons, stays at home without any weapons, whatever he did previously, he will be pardoned, protected."




"He lied us into war."  Could very well be, but you will never hear it in the mainstream media.




The Mainstream Media won't but Congress might have called him on this.  No approval, no goal, no real rationale.  All I can figure is that he thought it might make him look tough somehow.  To me he just looks as incompetent as he always did.


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Re: America is dumb for invading Libya [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14236017 - 04/04/11 12:46 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

That may be true, but I also think its highly unlikely that Obama was just sitting in the oval office with no mouths in his ear, and decided on his own that he should deploy a missile strike against Libya to protect their rebellion.

I just don't believe that any president just "decides" to do things without any advice from his political party and cabinet. I also don't see Congress openly condemning the act. I also don't see Congress making a different decision if it was put up to a vote.
There was motive for this action somewhere, and it wasn't just Obama, regardless of whether he manages to take all the blame.

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Re: America is dumb for invading Libya [Re: smokintheherb]
    #14236091 - 04/04/11 01:14 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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smokintheherb said:
That may be true, but I also think its highly unlikely that Obama was just sitting in the oval office with no mouths in his ear, and decided on his own that he should deploy a missile strike against Libya to protect their rebellion.




You are right.  He was in Brazil
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I just don't believe that any president just "decides" to do things without any advice from his political party and cabinet. I also don't see Congress openly condemning the act. I also don't see Congress making a different decision if it was put up to a vote.




he gets tons of advice.  So what?  And whether they may or may not have approved it is irrelevant to the fact that they were deliberately circumvented by someone who thinks he is emperor of the United States.  At the very least they would have forced him to answer some questions.  Like just who is it that we are helping, what is the goal and who is going to be leading this exercise.
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There was motive for this action somewhere, and it wasn't just Obama, regardless of whether he manages to take all the blame.




The motive seems to have been primarily French driven (:shocked:) with Bernard Henri-Levi heavily involved in getting Sarcozy together with whatever ragtag group of nitwits we are supposedly helping.  One group that clearly had nothing to do with it is Congress.  He lost their number while on vacation.


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Re: America is dumb for invading Libya [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14243104 - 04/05/11 05:26 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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zappaisgod said:
The US has not invaded Libya.




also, it wasn't just us and since we have withdrawn our military offensive support, nato is doing what they do best, that being nothing. it's okay though. we're still getting the blame for everything.


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Re: America is dumb for invading Libya [Re: millzy]
    #14244133 - 04/05/11 08:16 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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I agree. American citizenship is cool and all, but to think that America had some sort of "manifest destiny"-type of duty to 'free' the rest of the world is fairly pretentious, imo. We should focus on bettering our own country before we begin to dictate the wellbeing of other nations, and even if that means we might jeopardize certain commercial and industrial interests or ventures. Money is far too powerful nowadays to the point where it could mean life or death. If human life can be translated into a monetary sum, then aren't we all just commercial products, ultimately left to ride the fluctuating fiscal waves of global economy?




I don't think america has any destiny other than naked money making. America is the one who decide how the world will be ruled, but it will not have the original idea. France is another nation which is arrogant enough to think it can have an answer to everything. I believe that a true solutions can come out of nations likes ireland,corsica, Basque, Iceland.

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Re: America is dumb for invading Libya [Re: communeart]
    #14246871 - 04/06/11 11:01 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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I agree. American citizenship is cool and all, but to think that America had some sort of "manifest destiny"-type of duty to 'free' the rest of the world is fairly pretentious, imo. We should focus on bettering our own country before we begin to dictate the wellbeing of other nations, and even if that means we might jeopardize certain commercial and industrial interests or ventures. Money is far too powerful nowadays to the point where it could mean life or death. If human life can be translated into a monetary sum, then aren't we all just commercial products, ultimately left to ride the fluctuating fiscal waves of global economy?




I don't think america has any destiny other than naked money making. America is the one who decide how the world will be ruled, but it will not have the original idea. France is another nation which is arrogant enough to think it can have an answer to everything. I believe that a true solutions can come out of nations likes ireland,corsica, Basque, Iceland.



:rofl2:

Iceland and Ireland?  Who bankrupted themselves?  Basques?  The terrorists?  Corsica?  Corsica?

Do you know how people make money?  By providing goods and services.  And no, we do not decide how the world will be ruled.  If we did it would be a good bit different.  And a whole lot better for everybody involved.


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Re: America is dumb for invading Libya [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14248096 - 04/06/11 03:34 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

So, the libyan rebels started a new central bank!

http://ntclibya.org/english/meeting-on-19-march-2011/

How often does that happen?

I called this weeks ago.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14168329

Qaddafi's Central bank is 100% national, and outside of the influence of the international banking cartel, and they have to buy oil in dinars. 


Now these "rag tag rebels" did something extremely unprecedented and started their own central bank and oil export company while still amidst the battle fire!

You couple that with the record of western secret service arming and recruiting libyan rebel groups, including Al Qaeda, it looks very much like a western spawned coup.

http://www.nlpwessex.org/docs/shaylergatehtm.htm

next up Syria?  Their bank is still independent.


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Re: America is dumb for invading Libya [Re: Shins]
    #14248127 - 04/06/11 03:38 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Shins said:
So, the libyan rebels started a new central bank!

http://ntclibya.org/english/meeting-on-19-march-2011/

How often does that happen?

I called this weeks ago.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14168329

Qaddafi's Central bank is 100% national, and outside of the influence of the international banking cartel, and they have to buy oil in dinars. 


Now these "rag tag rebels" did something extremely unprecedented and started their own central bank and oil export company while still amidst the battle fire!

You couple that with the record of western secret service arming and recruiting libyan rebel groups it looks very much like a western spawned coup.

next up Syria?  Their bank is still independent.




Wrong forum


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Re: America is dumb for invading Libya [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14248162 - 04/06/11 03:43 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Whatever man, facts are facts.  There are plenty in that post, and there is nothing wrong with offering my opinion.

And if i do say; i called it.

This time the conspiracy theory came true, my version of the details might be off some, but i predicted that they would be trying to replace the central bank and they are.


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Re: America is dumb for invading Libya [Re: Shins]
    #14248929 - 04/06/11 06:00 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

What facts?  Some jerkoffs who are going to be killed soon put up a website proclaiming a central bank in a country they don't control?


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