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Zelse
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Alien/Insect vibe
#14231993 - 04/03/11 04:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Every single one of my trips has a strange vibe to it. I can only describe it as alien or insect. Phrases like "hive mind", and "fungal intelligence" hit me. There is an audible sound like the beeps and clicks and whirs of a machine in a futuristic movie all rushing together, or like a cricket's chirping amplified times 1000. This is accompanied by a GREAT intensity and anxiety.
Does anyone else get this? Could it be because I am surrounded by a city and electricity and A/C and not nature? or is there something more behind it? Any input would be appreciated.
-------------------- Feed my will to feel this moment, urging me to cross the line. Reaching out to embrace the random. Reaching out to embrace whatever may come. Taking the Plunge: My First Trip The Tao te Ching
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Re: Alien/Insect vibe [Re: Zelse]
#14232187 - 04/03/11 05:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It may depend on what hive mind means to you. In the sense that every Jungian symbol is unique to the person who experiences it. I know life is very fractal. Maybe you should go deeper and tell us what you find? Tell yourself there's no road home and push on. Who can say? you have the best vantage point of yourself.
I'll be interested to see what this thread turns out like, because personally I'm really getting into aliens and fractals. To me, it always feels like we're approaching the crest of that wave.
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Re: Alien/Insect vibe [Re: Zelse]
#14232237 - 04/03/11 05:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Who knows why these drugs seem to target certain ideas, concepts, and themes? Perhaps some of your psychedelic readings have touched on this "hive mind" and the related constellation of thoughts associated with it. After you add mushrooms to your brain, the psychedelic spotlight shined on those ramblings with the intensity of nuclear energy and the result was your experience. The Profound button in your head was pushed in. Nothing more, nothing less.
Now you could dismiss my speculation as too rational and explore other possible explanations. Perhaps you are being given access to secret information, perhaps you were chosen for clandestine communication to ready the world for 2012. Maybe it is your subconscious mind trying to tell you something via metaphorical symbols and if you decipher the psychedelic daydream you'll have a deeper understanding of yourself. Maybe these drugs just broaden your mind and allow you to interpret the world with a special lens that clarifies what is really going on. This lens is like the microscope or the telescope and it shows you with clearer resolution what the fuck is really going on.
I like my first paragraph better because the second one may lead to mental illness.
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Zelse
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Re: Alien/Insect vibe [Re: joemolloy]
#14232314 - 04/03/11 05:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm not sure what to think. There seems to definitely be a divinity/bigger picture meaning there, but I don't want to hold too tightly to any one belief except that the purpose of life is to live and experience. That seems to hold true in every religion, as well as being logically sound, and reinforced/shown to me by psychedelic use.
The interesting thing is I don't have a large interest in aliens/insects, or anything to do with a hive mind. My interests and reasons for tripping are more for a kind of spiritual therapy involving a curious monkey sticking his head into another universe and trying to comprehend the incomprehensible, taking comfort in knowing that nature (in a cosmic sense) is at work.
I'm not very experienced either, the times I have tried to control the trip to "go deeper" it went sour, forcing me to see issues in my life holding me back, and so I just go with the flow and let everything go. But without fail I get an alien feeling. When negative, it feels like I am dying and the mushrooms are a "sinister alien plot" to cause human consciousness to cease. When positive, the feeling is of both coming home and being in a foreign space in which everything is. I'm not very sure how best to control it to explore certain aspects.
-------------------- Feed my will to feel this moment, urging me to cross the line. Reaching out to embrace the random. Reaching out to embrace whatever may come. Taking the Plunge: My First Trip The Tao te Ching
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Re: Alien/Insect vibe [Re: joemolloy]
#14232358 - 04/03/11 05:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: I like my first paragraph better because the second one may lead to mental illness.
I could see it leading to PTSD, but it's not going to make a healthy person schizophrenic or bipolar. It definitely could exacerbate the mental health of those who are prone to psychotic breaks.
Then again, maybe those types of thoughts are the signature of psychosis sneaking in.
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Re: Alien/Insect vibe [Re: Zelse]
#14232390 - 04/03/11 05:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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The interesting thing is I don't have a large interest in aliens/insects, or anything to do with a hive mind. My interests and reasons for tripping are more for a kind of spiritual therapy involving a curious monkey sticking his head into another universe and trying to comprehend the incomprehensible, taking comfort in knowing that nature (in a cosmic sense) is at work.
It sounds like you got what you were looking for.
-------------------- Don't PM me with bullshit. I don't sell or trade cactus and I don't know where you can get any, other than your mother's ass.
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Re: Alien/Insect vibe [Re: healing]
#14232503 - 04/03/11 06:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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healing said:
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joemolloy said: I like my first paragraph better because the second one may lead to mental illness.
I could see it leading to PTSD, but it's not going to make a healthy person schizophrenic or bipolar. It definitely could exacerbate the mental health of those who are prone to psychotic breaks.
Then again, maybe those types of thoughts are the signature of psychosis sneaking in.
I can testify that doing this could lead to terror and PTSD. Temporarily (2-3 years), in my case. Ime/Imo, it's best to prepare for death first. Write down thoughts, or record something - whatever gives you peace of mind. With nothing to loose life can only get stranger.
There is a trip report linked in my ratings. I don't think I need to experience that again to understand what happened, what was about to happen, or what can happen.
-------------------- I think nighttime is dark so you can imagine your fears with less distraction. -Calvin and Hobbes
Edited by maug (04/03/11 06:32 PM)
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Re: Alien/Insect vibe [Re: maug]
#14232574 - 04/03/11 06:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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i have only done mushrooms once so far but i can totally relate to the "alien" feeling. although i did read up terrance mckenna's ideas of mushrooms and aliens, that could've pre-determined my perspective. but i do believe mushrooms may be extra-terrestrial, meaning they came here from a meteor.
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jjdiggincrates said: but i do believe mushrooms may be extra-terrestrial, meaning they came here from a meteor.
I know that aliens are a really cool idea, but evolution and natural selection is way WAY more beautiful.
Read up on the biology of mushrooms in general, learn as much as you can about shrooms, and start to appreciate the experience for what it really is.
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Re: Alien/Insect vibe [Re: Zelse]
#14233305 - 04/03/11 08:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Zelse said:Does anyone else get this?
Yes. I do. Not always, maybe 1/3 the time, for at least a little while. It was more common in earlier years of my dreaming. More common on low-to-middling doses, or perhaps it simply lasts less long on higher. I think of it as a comeup artifact. I've never felt it post-peak. The insectoid is always behind me, watching me, and is sort of praying-mantis-esque. It's only sometimes sinister.
A common theme of many journeys is this "hive mind" or collective intelligence. More often I think of it as the consciousness of plants, residing not in individual specimens, but in a whole species or even kingdom. But social insects: just as well. Plants, drone ants etc. have no ego. They're all about succession of the species, passing on of traits ("memories") across generations instead of in this-life, ego-driven accomplishments such as humans normally pursue. Aliens, too: every creepy alien movie or book you've ever known, what's scary about them is the combination of human or super-human capabilities with a hive mentality or networked "mycelial" consciousness. Right?
Seems natural enough to me that as your ego-consciousness softens or dies back under the force of the drug/entheogen/sacrament/ally, the adjacent, deeper or higher consciousness level is revealed. And it's collective, like that of insects or aliens or plants or fungi, and there's your vibe right there. It's just an association with the main event, not the event or its substance itself. It's not consistent because sometimes your thoughts at the ego-falling-away moment are simply elsewhere.
You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. I fucking love it, once I'm able to let go. Fearless awe and wonder overwhelm me as my umbilicus again connects to that which is greater than me, the mother, love, and ancestral wisdom floods in to embrace, heal, grow me.
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Re: Alien/Insect vibe [Re: healing]
#14233326 - 04/03/11 09:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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healing said:
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jjdiggincrates said: but i do believe mushrooms may be extra-terrestrial, meaning they came here from a meteor.
I know that aliens are a really cool idea, but evolution and natural selection is way WAY more beautiful.
Read up on the biology of mushrooms in general, learn as much as you can about shrooms, and start to appreciate the experience for what it really is.
I kinda think that thinking about aliens is simply applying what we already know about probability, homology, bio/chem/physics/math. An example of homology is when we see other species like an octopus and humans evolve similar eyes even though they evolved in different, but similar, environments. There's many other examples. I'm going to be expanding on this guys ideas with my own sometime in the next year or so, but he brings a lot ideas together. He's good at explaining things, and he's got a good sense of humor.
An idea I have on C.G. Jung's symbols of the unconsciousness is that we have the specific symbols because they symbolize many things, not just one deep buried meaning like he explains. It's because someone mentioned it yesterday, because because you've been stewing over it, because there's 500 other links from the symbol to your life, your relationships, and your mental build. With my dreams/subconscious exploration, I always get the impression that the mind/face behind the creating of it is putting all these things together in a playful collage. The other thing I feel sometimes is that somehow I'm changing myself. Dunno if that makes sense.
-------------------- I think nighttime is dark so you can imagine your fears with less distraction. -Calvin and Hobbes
Edited by maug (04/03/11 09:45 PM)
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Re: Alien/Insect vibe [Re: maug]
#14233718 - 04/03/11 10:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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im tripping right now, 2gs of the peen......i know what ur sayin. everything is vibrating. thats what i think it is ur talkign about anyway. you can feel/hear but moreso FEEL in my opinion...plants especially are "whirring" and buzzing...its their VIBRATION...
everythign has a consciousness.
consciousness is everywhere.
-------------------- "We are perfect mirrors in the sun and we brightly shine, we are singing and dancing in perfect time, there is nothing in the world that we can do, to stop the light of love come shining through" --Sally Oldfield
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Zelse
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latherdome said:
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Zelse said:Does anyone else get this?
Yes. I do. Not always, maybe 1/3 the time, for at least a little while. It was more common in earlier years of my dreaming. More common on low-to-middling doses, or perhaps it simply lasts less long on higher. I think of it as a comeup artifact. I've never felt it post-peak. The insectoid is always behind me, watching me, and is sort of praying-mantis-esque. It's only sometimes sinister.
A common theme of many journeys is this "hive mind" or collective intelligence. More often I think of it as the consciousness of plants, residing not in individual specimens, but in a whole species or even kingdom. But social insects: just as well. Plants, drone ants etc. have no ego. They're all about succession of the species, passing on of traits ("memories") across generations instead of in this-life, ego-driven accomplishments such as humans normally pursue. Aliens, too: every creepy alien movie or book you've ever known, what's scary about them is the combination of human or super-human capabilities with a hive mentality or networked "mycelial" consciousness. Right?
Seems natural enough to me that as your ego-consciousness softens or dies back under the force of the drug/entheogen/sacrament/ally, the adjacent, deeper or higher consciousness level is revealed. And it's collective, like that of insects or aliens or plants or fungi, and there's your vibe right there. It's just an association with the main event, not the event or its substance itself. It's not consistent because sometimes your thoughts at the ego-falling-away moment are simply elsewhere.
You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. I fucking love it, once I'm able to let go. Fearless awe and wonder overwhelm me as my umbilicus again connects to that which is greater than me, the mother, love, and ancestral wisdom floods in to embrace, heal, grow me.
How is it that you can just spew helpful wisdom and cool theories that just resonate with the way I think? I seriously wish you could trip-sit me a couple times. No homo.
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LSDilocybin said: im tripping right now, 2gs of the peen......i know what ur sayin. everything is vibrating. thats what i think it is ur talkign about anyway. you can feel/hear but moreso FEEL in my opinion...plants especially are "whirring" and buzzing...its their VIBRATION...
everythign has a consciousness.
consciousness is everywhere.

There's a feeling associated with me as well. Like trillions of molecules just beneath my skin cannot sit still, and then the intensity starts to spread from my stomach/core area.
-------------------- Feed my will to feel this moment, urging me to cross the line. Reaching out to embrace the random. Reaching out to embrace whatever may come. Taking the Plunge: My First Trip The Tao te Ching
Edited by Zelse (04/03/11 10:35 PM)
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Re: Alien/Insect vibe [Re: Zelse]
#14235752 - 04/04/11 11:44 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Zelse said: Every single one of my trips has a strange vibe to it. I can only describe it as alien or insect. Phrases like "hive mind", and "fungal intelligence" hit me. There is an audible sound like the beeps and clicks and whirs of a machine in a futuristic movie all rushing together, or like a cricket's chirping amplified times 1000. This is accompanied by a GREAT intensity and anxiety.
Does anyone else get this? Could it be because I am surrounded by a city and electricity and A/C and not nature? or is there something more behind it? Any input would be appreciated.
Sounds like maybe you are in contact with bad aliens or something. I don't trip as much anymore, but I thought the grey & reptilian aliens were akin to insects. Maybe you can actually hear them communicating.
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Re: Alien/Insect vibe [Re: iluvfungi]
#14236020 - 04/04/11 12:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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