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What kind of message does this send to our children? Our murderous pschopaths?
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Is this a legitimate concern, a practical concern, for the government of the US, one of the US states, or government in general?
Should we evaluate policy on this ground?
What about the kind of message we send to murderous lunatics? Should we endeavor to send them the "right message"?
This seems to be an unstated presupposition of a significant amount of public discourse in US politics. Is it a legitimate one or not? Do the proponents of such arguments as presuppose these factors urge them upon others in good faith, or is it a cynical, dishonest, argument?
What do you think? Why?
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Re: What kind of message does this send to our children? Our murderous pschopaths? [Re: johnm214]
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Re: What kind of message does this send to our children? Our murderous pschopaths? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14232209 - 04/03/11 05:21 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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You should answer: after all, its your rhetoric that drove that congressman (woman) to get shot.
I've been assured of this by many: you just can't go on with this "tone" and not expect random people to be assassinated because of it.
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Re: What kind of message does this send to our children? Our murderous pschopaths? [Re: johnm214]
#14232224 - 04/03/11 05:24 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/HarryReid-QuranBurning-Afghanistan-/2011/04/03/id/391567
I live close enough. I'm going to shred a Koran on the steps of the UN. Maybe I'll eat it.
I refuse to accede to the murderers' veto, unlike the cowards Parker and Stone.
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Re: What kind of message does this send to our children? Our murderous pschopaths? [Re: zappaisgod]
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OMG, I seriously cannot believe what those people quoted in the article are saying.
They refer to WWII era laws against giving aid to the enemy as suggesting Koran burning might be worthy of a ban? How the hell do they do that? That's the (stereotypical) enemy's book, not (stereotypically) ours. This is like banning people from making Hitler jokes because he might get mad and hurt us. What kinda wimps are these people?
I love the "I support free speech, but...." That's always bullshit. That they enemy attacked seemed to indicate they got the message, hence it was speech.
Go burn a bible too, just so the idiots like that pastor won't think your on his side (I love listening to those christians criticize the Koran with logic that almost always applies to the bible as well... other than the fact that christians generally don't fall out of the sky blowing themselves up if you chriticize christ).
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Re: What kind of message does this send to our children? Our murderous pschopaths? [Re: johnm214]
#14232337 - 04/03/11 05:48 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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johnm214 said: OMG, I seriously cannot believe what those people quoted in the article are saying.
They refer to WWII era laws against giving aid to the enemy as suggesting Koran burning might be worthy of a ban? How the hell do they do that? That's the (stereotypical) enemy's book, not (stereotypically) ours. This is like banning people from making Hitler jokes because he might get mad and hurt us. What kinda wimps are these people?
I love the "I support free speech, but...." That's always bullshit. That they enemy attacked seemed to indicate they got the message, hence it was speech.
Go burn a bible too, just so the idiots like that pastor won't think your on his side (I love listening to those christians criticize the Koran with logic that almost always applies to the bible as well... other than the fact that christians generally don't fall out of the sky blowing themselves up if you chriticize christ).

One of the hottest tickets in town is "Book of Mormon". Parker and Stone make fun of Mormons. My wife asked me if I wanted to go see it. I said I wouldn't willingly put one fucking nickel in the pockets of those two cowardly cunts. Either you are willing to ridicule all religions or you SHOULD SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU EMPTY PANTS CUNTS.
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Re: What kind of message does this send to our children? Our murderous pschopaths? [Re: zappaisgod]
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I think they were pretty equal. My understanding is that their network censored their stuff at broadcast (despite allowing in the same episodes for Jesus to be made fun of- the ultimate double standard empowering act for violent retards).
Is there some evidence the creators themselves, those responsible for the musical, discriminated? Everything I've heard about them seems to reveal that they pretty much agree with you (and me): that religion in general is pretty stupid. Its not like they had to decide to criticize muslims or show muhamed- that was their choice.
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Re: What kind of message does this send to our children? Our murderous pschopaths? [Re: johnm214]
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it's two dudes trying to run an idea that they created all by themselves and are capitilizing on it, themselves... simple?
throwing stones at a couple of regular dudes for what, zappa? LOL
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Re: What kind of message does this send to our children? Our murderous pschopaths? [Re: johnm214]
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Yeah, they agree with us. But they censor themselves. They are cowards. They put themselves in that position by smacking other religions. Smack one, smack all. I have no use for any religion but I find myself defending religious people more and more because I am utterly disgusted at the disparate application of politically correct ridicule. That includes telling the Jews I live with and around that there is nothing weirder about any Christians than there is about them. They look at me like I farted. I don't care. "No, pumpkin, Islam is not a religion of peace. Give me a call when someone puts a price on your head for burning ink squiggles about Moses and Jesus and Buddha, etfuckingcetera."
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Re: What kind of message does this send to our children? Our murderous pschopaths? [Re: zappaisgod]
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After what you have said do you think it is morally correct for Israeli intelligence assets to continue manipulating the American people into defending Israel using religion as an excuse?
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Re: What kind of message does this send to our children? Our murderous pschopaths? [Re: Mr.Al]
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not a good idea, obviously.
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Re: What kind of message does this send to our children? Our murderous pschopaths? [Re: Mr.Al]
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Mr.Al said: After what you have said do you think it is morally correct for Israeli intelligence assets to continue manipulating the American people into defending Israel using religion as an excuse?


Stop pestering the forum with your Paulbot anti-semitism and just go out and gas some Jews already. You know you want to.
Everybody has the right to try to manipulate the American people, Al. And my defense of Israel has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with the rule of law and common decency.
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Re: What kind of message does this send to our children? Our murderous pschopaths? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14236194 - 04/04/11 01:41 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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lets nuke everybody. there ya go problem solved. the us has the best system, even the people inside it are not perfect... so we need to focus on just US and making are AWESOME SYSTEM better, for US. and nuke everybody else... it's the only way. 
ooorrrr... maybe we can just see to the end that we all know the insider secrets and THAT'll help MORE...
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Re: What kind of message does this send to our children? Our murderous pschopaths? [Re: johnm214]
#14236206 - 04/04/11 01:43 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Where's the link? 
Who's sending what message to our children?
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Re: What kind of message does this send to our children? Our murderous pschopaths? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Mr.Al said: After what you have said do you think it is morally correct for Israeli intelligence assets to continue manipulating the American people into defending Israel using religion as an excuse?


Stop pestering the forum with your Paulbot anti-semitism and just go out and gas some Jews already. You know you want to.
Everybody has the right to try to manipulate the American people, Al. And my defense of Israel has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with the rule of law and common decency.
Showing your true colors aren't you?
Antisemitism blah blah blah.
I see that the U.S. has been arming various groups of semites, some jewish, muslim, and others for the purposes of setting up puppet governments and getting involved in matters that are not our business.
YOUR STANCE: Anyone who doesn't support actively arming and supporting Israel must hate jews.
You sir are a racist.
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Re: What kind of message does this send to our children? Our murderous pschopaths? [Re: Mr.Al]
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no wa. puppet government? during times of war? NOO?! you can't be serious!1
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Re: What kind of message does this send to our children? Our murderous pschopaths? [Re: Mr.Al]
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Mr.Al said: After what you have said do you think it is morally correct for Israeli intelligence assets to continue manipulating the American people into defending Israel using religion as an excuse?


Stop pestering the forum with your Paulbot anti-semitism and just go out and gas some Jews already. You know you want to.
Everybody has the right to try to manipulate the American people, Al. And my defense of Israel has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with the rule of law and common decency.
Showing your true colors aren't you?
Antisemitism blah blah blah.
I see that the U.S. has been arming various groups of semites, some jewish, muslim, and others for the purposes of setting up puppet governments and getting involved in matters that are not our business.
YOUR STANCE: Anyone who doesn't support actively arming and supporting Israel must hate jews.
You sir are a racist.

No, Al, there are reasonable people who wouldn't want to fund Israel who aren't Jew-hating punks. I just don't think you belong to that group. And what goes on in the Middle East most certainly is our business. Only ostrich-like retards deny that.
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Re: What kind of message does this send to our children? Our murderous pschopaths? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
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zappaisgod said:
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Mr.Al said: After what you have said do you think it is morally correct for Israeli intelligence assets to continue manipulating the American people into defending Israel using religion as an excuse?


Stop pestering the forum with your Paulbot anti-semitism and just go out and gas some Jews already. You know you want to.
Everybody has the right to try to manipulate the American people, Al. And my defense of Israel has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with the rule of law and common decency.
Showing your true colors aren't you?
Antisemitism blah blah blah.
I see that the U.S. has been arming various groups of semites, some jewish, muslim, and others for the purposes of setting up puppet governments and getting involved in matters that are not our business.
YOUR STANCE: Anyone who doesn't support actively arming and supporting Israel must hate jews.
You sir are a racist.

No, Al, there are reasonable people who wouldn't want to fund Israel who aren't Jew-hating punks. I just don't think you belong to that group. And what goes on in the Middle East most certainly is our business. Only ostrich-like retards deny that.
You are also an intellectual coward.
How am I racist, exactly.
Who's buying the U.S. T-bills zap?
You are the ostrich.
I don't agree with your foreign policy views therefore I must be racist.
That is the weakest sauce dude.
Fucking pathetic.
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Re: What kind of message does this send to our children? Our murderous pschopaths? [Re: Mr.Al]
#14236322 - 04/04/11 02:03 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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he has had enough of people not agreeing with him, so he just don't give a fuck anymore!
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Re: What kind of message does this send to our children? Our murderous pschopaths? [Re: Mr.Al]
#14236331 - 04/04/11 02:05 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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No, Al. I have nailed you for an anti Semite long ago. Although we give billions in aid all over the world the one that always sticks in your craw is Israel. Israel this, Israel that, and BANKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who cares who's buying US T-Bills? You got a xenophobia over T-Bills now?
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Re: What kind of message does this send to our children? Our murderous pschopaths? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: No, Al. I have nailed you for an anti Semite long ago. Although we give billions in aid all over the world the one that always sticks in your craw is Israel. Israel this, Israel that, and BANKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who cares who's buying US T-Bills? You got a xenophobia over T-Bills now?
I don't agree with arming the shit out of ANYBODY.
I didn't agree with them arming the Taliban in the 80's and I don't agree with arming anyone else.
Hey, I just think it tends to escalate conflicts and create unforeseeable international relations "issues" down the road.
I tend to think that arming people who have been in conflicts for thousands of years is a bad idea. Where am I wrong?
THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS BUYING ALL THE T-BILLS.
Think about that and get back to me, ostrich.
So, how am I a racist?
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Re: What kind of message does this send to our children? Our murderous pschopaths? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14236374 - 04/04/11 02:12 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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bankers rules. no talking about the banker... don't make contact with the banker... make everything a bigger problem then it is, so we pay for more deficits leading to bail-outs and maintaining economic structure... all is right with the world now, except all the rest of the fuckers in the world... now we really need your support, fuckers, cause if we can't control you, then you'll be a big problem for the banker on the sidelines; somethings we can't commit to, thusly costing us more time and money when we want money... so... kill third world countries, especially those with oil. oh wait, did i stop playing banker all ready?
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Re: What kind of message does this send to our children? Our murderous pschopaths? [Re: Mr.Al]
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zappaisgod said: No, Al. I have nailed you for an anti Semite long ago. Although we give billions in aid all over the world the one that always sticks in your craw is Israel. Israel this, Israel that, and BANKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who cares who's buying US T-Bills? You got a xenophobia over T-Bills now?
I don't agree with arming the shit out of ANYBODY.
We actually aren't arming Israel.Quote:
I didn't agree with them arming the Taliban in the 80's and I don't agree with arming anyone else.
We didn't arm the Taliban but the help we gave to all the nuts fighting the Soviets was a HUGE factor in the liberation of the SSRs and the Eastern European nations from Soviet communist slavery. Which was a tremendous boon to everyone, including us.Quote:
Hey, I just think it tends to escalate conflicts and create unforeseeable international relations "issues" down the road.
The future is never perfectly known. That is no excuse for paralysisQuote:
I tend to think that arming people who have been in conflicts for thousands of years is a bad idea. Where am I wrong?
Because it doesn't matter since they have been in conflict for thousands of years. Pick a righteous side and go for it. Which people in the middle east commit murder because somebody burns a book or makes a meanie cartoon?Quote:
THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS BUYING ALL THE T-BILLS.
Think about that and get back to me, ostrich.
So, how am I a racist?
I don't recall ever calling you a racist, Al. You're just a Jew hating Paulbot
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Re: What kind of message does this send to our children? Our murderous pschopaths? [Re: zappaisgod]
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No, Al. I have nailed you for an anti Semite long ago. Although we give billions in aid all over the world the one that always sticks in your craw is Israel. Israel this, Israel that, and BANKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who cares who's buying US T-Bills? You got a xenophobia over T-Bills now?
You seem to have no proportion, we always give israel the most foreign aid every year. And it is the least deserving of so, even colombia has a point, Foreign Aid in Egypt was equally linked to Israel. Face it , supporting the colonialism of Israel is a racist crime, supporting colonies always was, jews simply did colonialism a little too late for the taste of the Human Rights Judges of our time.
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We actually aren't arming Israel.
Yes we are specifically giving them money for that reason and no other, there is no food problem in israel. there was talk of food speculation though, i think food speculation sort of matter when it comes to revolts or revolutions?
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We didn't arm the Taliban but the help we gave to all the nuts fighting the Soviets was a HUGE factor in the liberation of the SSRs and the Eastern European nations from Soviet communist slavery. Which was a tremendous boon to everyone, including us.
What do you mean, they were given stinger missiles to attack helicopters. that is called arming, it makes a huge difference to give those people the means to fight, you know what the united states and the soviet union both did with the same spirit that the united states armed the talibans? they both funded Saddam Hussein against the iranian revolution, did not give the iranians any chance, just like they gave Nasser no chance. And then Saddam hussein tried to use Euros as a money for oil and got a war against him.
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The future is never perfectly known. That is no excuse for paralysis
But 9/11 was called a blowback! it was exactly because of interventions. Most Intelligence agencies seem to have come to this exact conclusion i believe.
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Because it doesn't matter since they have been in conflict for thousands of years. Pick a righteous side and go for it. Which people in the middle east commit murder because somebody burns a book or makes a meanie cartoon?
I believe it's time we realize that Communitarianism approach to racism is the only true working one. Racial ethnic violence is triggered by taboos sanctionned by the media. In calgary,canada a 17 year old youth spray painted a swastika over the star of david, to some he is a horrible reminder of gas chambers, and to others he is merely an artist, telling the world that a swastika is more beatiful than a star of david.
In the muslim world, a picture of the prophet is not a joke, swastika's are not a joke in our society either. In our atheist Freemason-like society, there are places you don't go.
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Re: What kind of message does this send to our children? Our murderous pschopaths? [Re: communeart]
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Re: What kind of message does this send to our children? Our murderous pschopaths? [Re: communeart]
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No, Al. I have nailed you for an anti Semite long ago. Although we give billions in aid all over the world the one that always sticks in your craw is Israel. Israel this, Israel that, and BANKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who cares who's buying US T-Bills? You got a xenophobia over T-Bills now?
You seem to have no proportion, we always give israel the most foreign aid every year. And it is the least deserving of so, even colombia has a point, Foreign Aid in Egypt was equally linked to Israel. Face it , supporting the colonialism of Israel is a racist crime, supporting colonies always was, jews simply did colonialism a little too late for the taste of the Human Rights Judges of our time.
Israel is not colonialist. If their neighbors had not embarked on a genocidal attack Israel never would have fought and conquered the West Bank, The Golan Heights or the Gaza Strip.Quote:
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We actually aren't arming Israel.
Yes we are specifically giving them money for that reason and no other, there is no food problem in israel. there was talk of food speculation though, i think food speculation sort of matter when it comes to revolts or revolutions?
How can you specifically give money for something when it is totally fungible? Aside from that giving someone money is not arming them. Giving them arms is.Quote:
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We didn't arm the Taliban but the help we gave to all the nuts fighting the Soviets was a HUGE factor in the liberation of the SSRs and the Eastern European nations from Soviet communist slavery. Which was a tremendous boon to everyone, including us.
What do you mean, they were given stinger missiles to attack helicopters. that is called arming, it makes a huge difference to give those people the means to fight, you know what the united states and the soviet union both did with the same spirit that the united states armed the talibans? they both funded Saddam Hussein against the iranian revolution, did not give the iranians any chance, just like they gave Nasser no chance. And then Saddam hussein tried to use Euros as a money for oil and got a war against him.
theer was nbo Taliban. We armed anybody who fight the Soviets.Quote:
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The future is never perfectly known. That is no excuse for paralysis
But 9/11 was called a blowback! it was exactly because of interventions. Most Intelligence agencies seem to have come to this exact conclusion i believe.
Isolationist idiots seem to like that word. But that is irrelevant to the Taliban. We did nothing to them until they refused to hand over bin Laden, who was pissed off that we were aiding the Saudi government against Saddam.Quote:
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Because it doesn't matter since they have been in conflict for thousands of years. Pick a righteous side and go for it. Which people in the middle east commit murder because somebody burns a book or makes a meanie cartoon?
I believe it's time we realize that Communitarianism approach to racism is the only true working one. Racial ethnic violence is triggered by taboos sanctionned by the media. In calgary,canada a 17 year old youth spray painted a swastika over the star of david, to some he is a horrible reminder of gas chambers, and to others he is merely an artist, telling the world that a swastika is more beatiful than a star of david.
Actually what he is is a vandal.Quote:
In the muslim world, a picture of the prophet is not a joke, swastika's are not a joke in our society either. In our atheist Freemason-like society, there are places you don't go.
We do not have an atheist society. Sporting a swastika is not a crime, defacing private property is. And the Muslim world can kiss my fucking ass because they are largely an aglomeration of sixth century ignorant monsters. http://www.brandonsun.com/world/breaking-news/poll-32-of-palestinians-support-the-killing-of-settler-family-in-recent-attack-119332409.html?thx=y
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JERUSALEM - A team of Israeli and Palestinian pollsters says a third of Palestinians surveyed said they supported an attack last month that saw five members of an Israeli family stabbed to death in their home in a West Bank settlement.
A young couple and three of their children, ages 11, 4 and 3, were killed in the March 11 attack. It is assumed to have been a Palestinian attack.
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas called the attack "despicable, immoral and inhuman." The poll found 63 per cent opposed the attack and 32 per cent backed it.
Pollsters from Hebrew University and the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research surveyed 1,270 Palestinians in the West Bank, Gaza Strip and Jerusalem. The margin of error was 3 percentage points.
The poll was published Wednesday.
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Re: What kind of message does this send to our children? Our murderous pschopaths? [Re: johnm214]
#14265496 - 04/10/11 03:25 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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johnm214 said: OMG, I seriously cannot believe what those people quoted in the article are saying.
They refer to WWII era laws against giving aid to the enemy as suggesting Koran burning might be worthy of a ban? How the hell do they do that? That's the (stereotypical) enemy's book, not (stereotypically) ours. This is like banning people from making Hitler jokes because he might get mad and hurt us. What kinda wimps are these people?
I love the "I support free speech, but...." That's always bullshit. That they enemy attacked seemed to indicate they got the message, hence it was speech.
Go burn a bible too, just so the idiots like that pastor won't think your on his side (I love listening to those christians criticize the Koran with logic that almost always applies to the bible as well... other than the fact that christians generally don't fall out of the sky blowing themselves up if you chriticize christ).

it's weird that I answer in this forum so much, because mostly i rarely try to get involved in politics, it's such a useless conversation to me.
to be honest yeah the way they insult us in islam is ridiculous, and we have the balls to go over there and bomb the crap out of their civilians, then they want to censor our koran burning so we don't look evil in the eyes of the u.n. like somehow we won't look like bad guys after we've blown the shit up out of these countries for years now, almost a decade.
i mean hey, some people hate koran burning, well i hate people who get mad at me saying the word nigger, simply because i use it to describe everyone and hardly ever use it as a racial slurr for a black person. for example
"where is brian, that nigger god damn told me he was going to return my t.v. on saturday, now it's tuesday"
i mean i don't know, i guess i don't care about this. i hardly think it makes me a murderer, maybe i missed the point of this thread, but as opinionated as i am about politics, rarely do i vote on them or try and have an opinion about voting. i think it's all bullshit
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Re: What kind of message does this send to our children? Our murderous pschopaths? [Re: BothHands]
#14266610 - 04/10/11 11:24 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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BothHands said: Where's the link? 
Who's sending what message to our children?
I don't think it really matters who is sending what message or why, as the question is concerning the appropriateness of this form of argument rather than the merits of the particular case, but in case you unfamiliar with some of the examples of this argument being used in the US political discourse, amongst other examples; here are some excerpts from prominent sources which use these types of arguments:
Plainly: Beyond the merits of the particular policy, should the question of "what kind of message" the policy proposal, debate over it, might send to murderous psychopaths or children be considered? Is this a valid, relevant, and persuasive argument, or should public policy, debate, be determined on the merits of the particular case and not be concerned with whatever philosophical understanding our nation's murderous psychopaths or children might derive from it?
Examples of this argument being used are many.
What kind of message does this send to our kids?
“One of my biggest concerns is we’re going to send the wrong message to our children; we’re going to send the message that marijuana is a good thing,” he said. From: Police group opposes medical marijuana law http://www.doverpost.com/communities/x1992231019/Police-group-opposes-medical-marijuana-law
You say you are fighting to secure the future of our children. The way I see it, you are telling our children not to work for the public sector. There's no benefit to working for lower pay with no health coverage or possibility of getting a decent retirement plan. From: Undermining Public Sector Workers http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/249393/undermining-public-sector-workers
folks were understandably upset when they heard that iCarly, one of its popular programs, was making fun of 'hobos'. Not only did they feel the jokes were inappropriate, they also felt that the jokes sent the wrong message to our children, teaching them it was okay to make fun of homeless people. From: Victory! iCarly Won't Make Fun of Hobos Anymore http://news.change.org/stories/victory-icarly-wont-make-fun-of-hobos-anymore
The board made a decision parents did not want to hear. The school board voted 4 to 1 to close Townley and Farmstead Junior High Schools, saying it's in the best interest of the school system. The school system needs to make up for a 4.7 million dollar budget deficit. "I have a concern, a very big concern. This is not sending a good message to our children. They say this is something they'll get over but it's not," said Townley parent William Main. From: Parents Upset Over School Board Decision http://www.myfoxal.com/story/14294823/parents-upset-over-school-board-decision?redirected=true
What kind of message does this send to our murderous Psychopaths?
(this one is a combined childre/murderous psychopaths 'message' :000:) "I think the vitriolic rhetoric that we hear day in and day out from people in the radio business and some people in the TV business and what (we) see on TV and how our youngsters are being raised... "To try to inflame the public on a daily basis 24 hours a day, seven days a week has impact on people, especially who are unbalanced personalities to begin with." From: Sherriff of Pima County on the Congressman Giffords (woman) shooting http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/09/pima-county-sheriff-sets-debate-price-free-speech/
When a deranged man shot 19 people in Tucson three months ago, killing U.S. District Judge John Roll and five others, and nearly killing U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, the Pima County sheriff pointed a finger at “the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government,” and went on to criticize Rush Limbaugh and other radio talk-show hosts for fanning the flames of bigotry and hatred. From: Nation needs more civil discourse http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20110410/COLUMNISTS12/304100046/Al-Cross-Nation-needs-more-civil-discourse?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|Home|s
Giffords, D-Ariz., narrowly won her own brutal re-election race in 2010, leading to some initial speculation that the suspect in the shooting, Jared Loughner, may have been politically motivated. No evidence has emerged to suggest that Loughner was influenced by the overheated campaign rhetoric, but civility advocates maintain that toning down the debate remains a laudable goal regardless. From: Civility advocates fight uphill battle for attention http://www.tennessean.com/article/20110409/NEWS08/104090324/-1/TOP/Civility-advocates-fight-uphill-battle-attention
The American rightwingers deny the shooting of a liberal politician had anything to do with their hate speech, and denounce anyone who dares even remotely suggest otherwise. The Pakistani rightwingers proudly acknowledge - nay, take credit for - their speeches that led to the shooting. Admit there is a difference. But if things stay as is, it wouldn't take much for the Americans to become more and more like Pakistanis. It doesn't take much, you know. I left Pakistan during the 90's. It's a very different country now. Didn't take that long. From: Terry Jones' America is a Dangerous Place to Be (comment endorsed by author of opinion piece) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ethan-casey/terry-joness-america-a-da_b_845097.html
One of the paradoxes of war is that those waging it, whatever their intentions going in, cannot help but become part of the problem in the process. The means of "overwhelming force" and "superior firepower" merely serve to validate such notions as primary ways of attaining one’s goals, sending a message to others — including present and future foes alike — that is duly noted and often acted upon... The "war on terror" is an object lesson, as the U.S. has gone morally, legally, and economically bankrupt while waging it. From: Looking for Mr. Goodwar? http://www.truth-out.org/looking-mr-goodwar/1302066000
Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) said that in a conversation on Sunday Giffords's husband, astronaut Mark Kelly, lashed out at the cantankerous politics dividing the country. He is "very angry about the level of angry rhetoric that he believes incites people," Hoyer told CBS' "Face the Nation" on Sunday. From: Giffords’s Husband Blames Political Rhetoric http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2011/01/10/giffordss-husband-blames-political-rhetoric
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