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"OC, you are such a dick!" * 2
    #14231807 - 04/03/11 04:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

But not a lying, dishonest dick.

Preachers, con men and politicians (not sure there is a real distinction among the three) are generally likable and charismatic, that is how they get followers. They are also known to bend, warp, spindle and mutiliate The Truth. Anything to manipulate their target audience. How very nice.

My biting remarks are not amied at gaining followers, but are the truth (small 't') as best I see it.

I remember the Shroomism/Niburu fiasco some 8 years back here. Many dozens of members jumped on my ass for speaking the truth, but almost no one got on Shroomism's ass for spreading misinformation (i.e. lies).

This thread is not really about me. It is about how the well-intentioned skeptic/debunker is almost always the 'bad guy' while the proponent of fantasy/horseshit is almost always 'the good guy'. ('The Secret' is a prime example.)

I find this phenomenon puzzling as I ALWAYS want my eyes opened - if possible.


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 3
    #14231845 - 04/03/11 04:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah the task of being one who is not needlessly arrogant can be extremely difficult. Excuse me, I'm going to post another thread about my plight in the hopes of giving these Philistines some abject sense of self-awareness.


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: xFrockx]
    #14232114 - 04/03/11 05:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:wtfsonic:


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14232271 - 04/03/11 05:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:penis:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14232495 - 04/03/11 06:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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But not a lying, dishonest dick.

Preachers, con men and politicians (not sure there is a real distinction among the three) are generally likable and charismatic, that is how they get followers. They are also known to bend, warp, spindle and mutiliate The Truth. Anything to manipulate their target audience. How very nice.

My biting remarks are not amied at gaining followers, but are the truth (small 't') as best I see it.

I remember the Shroomism/Niburu fiasco some 8 years back here. Many dozens of members jumped on my ass for speaking the truth, but almost no one got on Shroomism's ass for spreading misinformation (i.e. lies).

This thread is not really about me. It is about how the well-intentioned skeptic/debunker is almost always 'the bad guy' the 'bad guy' while the proponent of fantasy/horseshit is almost always 'the good guy'. ('The Secret' is a prime example.)

I find this phenomenon puzzling as I ALWAYS want my eyes opened - if possible.




If this thread was done keeping my recent remarks on mind, then I apologize: I did not mean that your truth is wrong and that you should not pursue it nor circulate it. I meant that often your remarks try to embarass the poster above or even insult them when they do not deserve it, causing unneccesary confusion and often misleading the thread.

I understand that circulating truth is emotional business, but for the sake of philospohical clarity, it is best to keep emotions on hold and be polite.


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: Simms]
    #14232580 - 04/03/11 06:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:picard:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: Poid] * 1
    #14232641 - 04/03/11 06:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

*OC goes to Africa - knocks on door*
Please kind sir, do not kill the neighbor girl for believing she is a witch. Thank you for your time and consideration.

*OC goes to the Middle East - knocks on door*
Please kind sir, do not kill the Christian infidel for believing that some ancient prophet commanded it. Thank you for your time and consideration.


*OC goes to the Deep South USA - knocks on door*
Please kind sir, do not kill the doctor performing abortion for believing that some ancient prophet commanded it. Thank you for your time and consideration.


How efficacious will that be, ya think?


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: Simms]
    #14232652 - 04/03/11 06:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

I meant that often your remarks try to embarass the poster above or even insult them when they do not deserve it




Really? A poster who intentionally misleads or gets caught deliberately making false or hyper-exagerrated claims is deserving of respect?

I think not.


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14232677 - 04/03/11 06:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

OrgoneConclusion said:
Quote:

I meant that often your remarks try to embarass the poster above or even insult them when they do not deserve it




Really? A poster who intentionally misleads or gets caught deliberately making false or hyper-exagerrated claims is deserving of respect?

I think not.




Particulary This post.

Its not about respect, its about the clarity of discussion. Go disrespect the person in the Pub if you so willingly want to do so, oh our great saver from the evil people. I bet the world is a better place thanks to you.


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: Simms]
    #14232683 - 04/03/11 06:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

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I bet the world is a better place thanks to you.


It is.


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: Poid]
    #14232712 - 04/03/11 07:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Simms said:
I bet the world is a better place thanks to you.


It is.





See, this is the place where philospohical debate comes in action.

You believe the world is a better place thanks to OC, for you it is. But then again there are many of those who think not. People have very different understandings of a perfect world. An African lady who is going to kill her neighbour has her own views of a better world, and OC supposedly completely ruined hers. So how exactly it is better world?


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: Simms]
    #14232736 - 04/03/11 07:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well, no one is dead because of me, but two members who no longer post, are alive, in part, because of me.


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14232743 - 04/03/11 07:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

And?


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: Simms]
    #14232746 - 04/03/11 07:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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So how exactly it is better world?


All I know is that he did some work with computers; I think computers kick ass, so, IMO, the world is better because of him. Also, he works pretty hard to battle against ignorance, which IMO has a positive effect on the world.


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: Poid]
    #14232753 - 04/03/11 07:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Notice how I take the time to respond to Simms complaint about my style, yet he could not bring himself to give a direct answer to my question.

Any surprise there? Its like there is a school that teaches the ducking of questions.


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14232764 - 04/03/11 07:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

More like a pre-school. :smirk:


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: Simms]
    #14232866 - 04/03/11 07:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

I meant that often your remarks try to embarass the poster above or even insult them when they do not deserve it, causing unneccesary confusion and often misleading the thread.




You say that like it is a bad thing  :boxxy:


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: Blondell_Letrange]
    #14232890 - 04/03/11 07:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Nice to see you got my back. :nicekitty:


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14232946 - 04/03/11 07:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Nice to see you got my back. :nicekitty:




:nicekitty: :awesomenod:


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: Blondell_Letrange]
    #14232961 - 04/03/11 07:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Get a room you two.


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: Blondell_Letrange]
    #14232962 - 04/03/11 07:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

There is more to life than kitty stroking. Not sure what, but I know there is.


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: xFrockx]
    #14232971 - 04/03/11 07:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Get a room you two.




STRAWMAN


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: Blondell_Letrange]
    #14232981 - 04/03/11 07:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Cokes for everybody! :cheers:


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14233009 - 04/03/11 08:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:rail2:


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: andrewss]
    #14233368 - 04/03/11 09:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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andrewss said:
:rail2:




Strawman.

As in, can you pass me that straw man. :laugh2:


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: Blondell_Letrange]
    #14233430 - 04/03/11 09:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:archiebunker:


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14233439 - 04/03/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

okay Mr Killjoy, can you just pass me the straw, without pulling faces please?


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14234011 - 04/03/11 11:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Really? A poster who intentionally misleads or gets caught deliberately making false or hyper-exagerrated claims is deserving of respect?

I think not.



Well, that would be fine, if you only took that attitude towards people guilty of such dishonesty.

More often than not it's funny, but it does have to be conceded in the interest of fairness.


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: Blondell_Letrange]
    #14235564 - 04/04/11 10:42 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

As in, can you pass me that straw man.

You're missing a comma. :seeya:


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14236138 - 04/04/11 01:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Notice how I take the time to respond to Simms complaint about my style, yet he could not bring himself to give a direct answer to my question.

Any surprise there? Its like there is a school that teaches the ducking of questions.




What question?

This one?:

Quote:

OrgoneConclusion said:
Really? A poster who intentionally misleads or gets caught deliberately making false or hyper-exagerrated claims is deserving of respect?




Does he deserve any respect at all? Is it nessesary to laugh and throw stones and mislead the thread? This happens ALL THE TIME (sounds familiar?)


And appareantly I have no time to sit 24/7 in the forums, so a lot of things go unnoticed.


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14238139 - 04/04/11 07:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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This thread is not really about me. It is about how the well-intentioned skeptic/debunker is almost always the 'bad guy' while the proponent of fantasy/horseshit is almost always 'the good guy'.




possibly because proponents of spirituality aren't concerned with tearing other people down and making them look stupid :shrug: just a guess


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: g00ru]
    #14238197 - 04/04/11 07:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

No one can make another look stupid. That is done all by one's self.

No, proponents of spirituality like to push 'The Secret' and Heaven's Gate and astrology and homeopathy  and Dr. Emoto's cyrstals and fight Holy Wars and every possible manner of nonsense in order to maintain illusion and stay stuck in superstition.


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    #14238276 - 04/04/11 08:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:hamsterdance: u are subject to the pre-trans fallacy :discorex:

superstition is pre-logical, there is also such thing as trans-logical


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14238331 - 04/04/11 08:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Exhibit A:

OC's ego


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14240858 - 04/05/11 09:17 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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No one can make another look stupid. That is done all by one's self.

No, proponents of spirituality like to push 'The Secret' and Heaven's Gate and astrology and homeopathy  and Dr. Emoto's cyrstals and fight Holy Wars and every possible manner of nonsense in order to maintain illusion and stay stuck in superstition.



Again, though, you also take a condescending attitude towards people that don't promote dangerous pseudoscience.


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: NetDiver]
    #14241053 - 04/05/11 10:27 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I believe all pseudo-science to be unhealthy if not downright dangerous.


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14241383 - 04/05/11 11:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I agree. But my point is that you're condescending to people who don't even promote pseudo-science at all.

Vegetarianism, for instance, is not pseudo-scientific; I seem to remember lots of condescension in the thread about vegetarianism related to death anxiety.


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: NetDiver]
    #14241402 - 04/05/11 11:35 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Vegetarianism, for instance, is not pseudo-scientific




Nor is it scientific. It is a lifestyle choice.


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14241413 - 04/05/11 11:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, but vegetarians do not fit the definition of people that you have deemed deserving of condescension (i.e. those who endanger others through the propagation of an unsupported belief). It is perfectly possible to be a healthy vegetarian.

So if you're claiming you only condescend to people who deserve it, you're incorrect.


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14251900 - 04/07/11 07:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Vegetarianism, for instance, is not pseudo-scientific




Nor is it scientific. It is a lifestyle choice.




as is spirituality.  certain philosophical beliefs may begin to arise from it but they're not the meat and potatoes, just what I argue with people on the internet about


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: g00ru]
    #14254782 - 04/07/11 06:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think some people might like to cut down religious beliefs because, at the end of the day, they cannot prove they are false. So those who push them away as impossible must constantly rebuild their defenses to prevent cognitive dissonance.


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    #14256420 - 04/07/11 11:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, my friend read Autobiography of a Yogi and it fucked with his head so bad he had to read like 3 books about the dark side of spirituality and how gurus take advantage of people :lol: The things some people will do to maintain a sense of control...


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: g00ru] * 2
    #14256664 - 04/08/11 12:42 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Kriyananda, aka Donald Walters, and the #1 disciple of Yogananda and founder of the Ananda Community, author of dozens of 'spiritual books' and world lecturer, was kicked out of his own community for abusing his position to get sexual favors from women coming to him for guidance. This was no different than a psychologist sleeping with his patients.

So much for being a vegan, practicing meditation, doing kriya yoga, repeating mantras for decades and studying under a 'Master'. At the end of the day he was just another creepy predator.

For the record, I spent a summer at Ananda in the 70s. I left because the games there were no different than in the outside world.


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14257742 - 04/08/11 10:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

ya ya I've heard your spiel about Yogananda, as if exposing a (supposed) hypocrisy in a single spiritual practitioner somehow discredits the whole lifestyle. That's so retarded, and doesn't challenge me too much. Spiritual seekers are people too, even fully enlightened beings are not necessarily without fault, that's not how it works.  There is such thing as a perfect being, but it's like Christ or Buddha, that's not every fully awakened being.

Although, I'm not just gonna take your word for it that Donald Walters was a sexual predator, he seems like an alright dude to me.  Certainly not as powerful of a master as Yogananda or Sri Yukteswar, though.


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: g00ru]
    #14259253 - 04/08/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Although, I'm not just gonna take your word for it that Donald Walters was a sexual predator




Here is the HUGE difference between you and me. You don;t have to take my word for aynthing cuz I can back it up; whereas you constantly ask the audience to take your word.

Do some research on Walters. The facts are all there. And of course, you would think a predator is an alright guy.

And, as usual, you once again talk out both sides of your mouth. A leader of the SRF's actions are insignificant and it is MY hypocirsiy to point it out?! Amazing! You speak EXACTLY like a politician.

But even if he was a sexual pervert, one can still be a Master AND be a scum-bucket. Wow. This spiritual stuff is cool if it gives you license to do whatever the fuck you want to.


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14259329 - 04/08/11 03:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Kriyananda, aka Donald Walters, and the #1 disciple of Yogananda and founder of the Ananda Community, author of dozens of 'spiritual books' and world lecturer, was kicked out of his own community for abusing his position to get sexual favors from women coming to him for guidance. This was no different than a psychologist sleeping with his patients.

So much for being a vegan, practicing meditation, doing kriya yoga, repeating mantras for decades and studying under a 'Master'. At the end of the day he was just another creepy predator.

For the record, I spent a summer at Ananda in the 70s. I left because the games there were no different than in the outside world.





I assume this Kryjamandsahdjas aka Donald Walters is a white man. Therefore all white men must be abusive fucks, including you (and me), as I assume you too are white (racism to those who get it).


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: Simms]
    #14259398 - 04/08/11 04:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Nice try, but :failboat:

Walters was chosen by Yogananda as his heir to carry on the tradition. He was not a mere follower but THE REPRESENTATIVE of a long line of Masters allegedly going back thousands of years.

So are you misunderstanding or merely being obtuse?


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14259425 - 04/08/11 04:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Nice try, but :failboat:

Walters was chosen by Yogananda as his heir to carry on the tradition. He was not a mere follower but THE REPRESENTATIVE of a long line of Masters allegedly going back thousands of years.

So are you misunderstanding or merely being obtuse?




Following your logic:

Bill Clinton did not have sexual intercourse with that woman. So, I assume all white Americans are liers and cheaters.


But you did get my previous point slightly wrong: He was a white man in an Indian culture based religious community. AND as you said: He was thrown out. By whom? White or brown? Who chose him in first place and why?



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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: Simms]
    #14259519 - 04/08/11 04:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

A course in logic might be helpful to you. No matter what race the teacher is.


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    #14259538 - 04/08/11 04:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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No matter what race the teacher is.




Care to elaborate then? You did not prove my point wrong, so I take it as you agree with me.

Course of logic tells me whole culture cannot be measured by the leader, especially by the leader who was thrown out from the culture after being exposed of doing something culturally unmoral.


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: Simms]
    #14259554 - 04/08/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You had no point. Clinton - sex -white man... Makes no sense or relevance.

As to the followers being moral for kicking him out, well the next-in-lines knew about his dalliances, but the law suits - well that is another matter...


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14259687 - 04/08/11 04:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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You had no point. Clinton - sex -white man... Makes no sense or relevance.





Clinton as a white leader of Americans - sex scandal - white americans

That guy as a leader of some believers - scandal - believers

What you said...

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As to the followers being moral for kicking him out, well the next-in-lines knew about his dalliances, but the law suits - well that is another matter...




So, what you wanted to say here is they knew all along before the scandal and made no effort because they didn't want to mess with the law suits?

Can you name some scandalous swamis of any other skin colour?


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Re: "OC, you are such a dick!" [Re: Simms]
    #14260037 - 04/08/11 06:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, I can.


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    #14260317 - 04/08/11 07:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Being white is not a choice that is made by someone claiming to hold some sort of moral authority, whereas being a spiritual leader is. When spiritual leaders violate their own moral codes, it does to a certain extent discredit the moral system of which they claim to be a representative. If their spiritual life gave them true enlightenment and fulfillment, why would they need to seek the eeeevilll pleasures of the flesh (with their own students no less)?

Being white is totally different because, again, it is neither a choice nor is it related to a specific ethical system. You could indeed use a course in logic. :shrug:


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    #14260938 - 04/08/11 10:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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This spiritual stuff is cool if it gives you license to do whatever the fuck you want to.




actually, in a way that's exactly what it does :discorex:  And I can feel the love coming out of Autobiography of a Yogi, sorry if you can't open your heart to that, that's sad and I hope you can one day relax enough to let it happen


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    #14261095 - 04/08/11 10:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

By "open your heart" do you mean "cut off critical thinking"? :shrug:


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    #14261114 - 04/08/11 10:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

it's not really like that, it's just when you stay in your heart you feel very content, and thinking only takes you out of that, so you can just sit with a quiet mind and be chill, yes with no critical thinking.  Don't worry, nobody's gonna hurt you.


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    #14262227 - 04/09/11 08:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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it's not really like that, it's just when you stay in your heart you feel very content, and thinking only takes you out of that, so you can just sit with a quiet mind and be chill, yes with no critical thinking.  Don't worry, nobody's gonna hurt you.





How is this inconsistant with logic, rational thought, et cet?  If it is not, then what is the point of your discourse here?  I do not recall anyone challenging such ideas, meerly pointing out hypocrisy, unsubstantiated claims, and the apparent compatibility of sexual abuse with whatever the other qualities of the representative and teacher of that group was supposed to be. 

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You had no point. Clinton - sex -white man... Makes no sense or relevance.





Clinton as a white leader of Americans - sex scandal - white americans

That guy as a leader of some believers - scandal - believers

What you said...

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OrgoneConclusion said:
As to the followers being moral for kicking him out, well the next-in-lines knew about his dalliances, but the law suits - well that is another matter...




So, what you wanted to say here is they knew all along before the scandal and made no effort because they didn't want to mess with the law suits?

Can you name some scandalous swamis of any other skin colour?




Please back up your conclusion: "so, what you wanted to say here is they knew all along...".  You don't even attempt to justify that, meerly repeating prior statements of someone and then, amazingly, stating what they "really wanted to say". 

His argument was quite clearly that the qualities sought in the teacher, leader, practicer, must not be very lofty if sexual abuse perpetrators may have those qualities, or that even a master and widely respected individual cannot with all his ability pick someone who won't be raping people and manipulating them for sexual favors.

Either the qualities required are rather insignifigant, of the whole process is a farse and the "masters" are no different than anyone else in their natura and ability: its a scam (if the masters can't do any better, then how can the student, even a devoted one, expect to get anything out of that practice?)

You seem to be arguing against a straw man- claiming orgone's argument was one of correlating two qualities in a case and using that correlation to assert the correlation tends to hold in general.  Unfortuantely, you completely fail to provide any basis for this claim: you seem to pick it out of the air.


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    #14262783 - 04/09/11 11:50 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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it's not really like that, it's just when you stay in your heart you feel very content, and thinking only takes you out of that, so you can just sit with a quiet mind and be chill, yes with no critical thinking.  Don't worry, nobody's gonna hurt you.





How is this inconsistant with logic, rational thought, et cet?  If it is not, then what is the point of your discourse here?  I do not recall anyone challenging such ideas, meerly pointing out hypocrisy, unsubstantiated claims, and the apparent compatibility of sexual abuse with whatever the other qualities of the representative and teacher of that group was supposed to be. 






You can certainly have rational though while in the heart/moment, in fact that's where good ideas come from, but mind is tangential in nature and will tend to take you out of things.


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    #14288290 - 04/14/11 02:41 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

lets all contribute to the mental bukkake!1 go orgone! you totally have shined a light on the way to truth!1

if something doesn't follow your logic then it's illogical!1 oh woe was me until you told me that, orgone!1

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    #14288438 - 04/14/11 04:28 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Orange Conclusion suggests that one should completely switch off the right side of the brain? IS he willing to do that himself first?


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