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zappaisgod
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Re: okay, explain to me what is so bad about the recent fed disclosures? [Re: Mr.Al]
#14236347 - 04/04/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Of course they can raise the interest rates they control, which isn't much. They actually managed to level things out quite well. Your answer would have been nuclear destruction of the entire banking system. That's real smart. Go back to your rock, Al.
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Re: okay, explain to me what is so bad about the recent fed disclosures? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14236364 - 04/04/11 02:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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The fed is going to have to raise rates soon to stop inflation, which could have a pretty catastrophic effect on bonds. It is a really delicate situation and not one to be undertaken in secrecy to banks across the world.
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Re: okay, explain to me what is so bad about the recent fed disclosures? [Re: zappaisgod] 1
#14236421 - 04/04/11 02:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Of course they can raise the interest rates they control, which isn't much. They actually managed to level things out quite well. Your answer would have been nuclear destruction of the entire banking system. That's real smart. Go back to your rock, Al.
The fed has been buying 70% of treasuries at recent auctions. cash China doesn't want to buy T-bills.
Japan will probably have to cash theirs in.
What does this mean zap?
If they raise interest rates to entice other central bankers (and private investors, ) the debt balloons out of control. If they "difficult" to contain.
Either way the dollar is fucked.
Instead of telling me to go back to my rock you should stop living underneath a rock...
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Re: okay, explain to me what is so bad about the recent fed disclosures? [Re: Mr.Al]
#14236471 - 04/04/11 02:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: okay, explain to me what is so bad about the recent fed disclosures? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14236513 - 04/04/11 02:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It has nothing to do with profit, but inflation and controlling interest rates. We are stuck not able to raise interest rates even though we have to.
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Re: okay, explain to me what is so bad about the recent fed disclosures? [Re: Rebirtha]
#14236578 - 04/04/11 02:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Why do we have to, why would we want to and why aren't we able to? None of that holds.
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Re: okay, explain to me what is so bad about the recent fed disclosures? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14236640 - 04/04/11 02:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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We have to raise interest rates to curb inflation from printing trillions of dollars out of thin air. We can't because our economy is in a delicate state. What about that isn't true?
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Re: okay, explain to me what is so bad about the recent fed disclosures? [Re: Rebirtha]
#14236716 - 04/04/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Rebirtha said: We have to raise interest rates to curb inflation from printing trillions of dollars out of thin air. We can't because our economy is in a delicate state. What about that isn't true?
What makes you think raising interest rates will curb an imaginary inflation that hasn't appeared in spite of the babbling of nitwits who have been screaming about it for several years now? These same buttbrains were saying the same buttshit even when the economy was ticking.
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Re: okay, explain to me what is so bad about the recent fed disclosures? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14236746 - 04/04/11 03:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Inflation takes 2-3 years from the time you print the money to the time prices change. The projected changes from the economic stimulus and lowering of interest rates is 2011-2012. Food prices are already rising their biggest gain since 1974. Cotton has gone up 60% over the past 3 months. There are many examples. CPI which doesn't include food and energy appears to be stable, but food and energy are rising fast. Besides whether you believe me or not the Fed openly talks about curbing inflation, or else they would just keep interest rates at zero all the time. just look at their website you can find a host of information about raising interest rates.
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Re: okay, explain to me what is so bad about the recent fed disclosures? [Re: Rebirtha]
#14236816 - 04/04/11 03:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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What economic stimulus? You mean that giant trillion dollar debt that was taken to continue outrageous union pay levels?
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Re: okay, explain to me what is so bad about the recent fed disclosures? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14236821 - 04/04/11 03:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes that nearly trillion dollar one, the bailouts, and all of the emergency lending we have done increases the money supply otherwise known as inflation. None of that possible without being able to print money out of thin air.
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Re: okay, explain to me what is so bad about the recent fed disclosures? [Re: Rebirtha]
#14236899 - 04/04/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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When you think about it, what the Federal Reserve is doing is somewhat socialist, taking care of banks that are in trouble around the world at the expense of the US dollar's worth by increasing the money supply and jeopardizing the economic state we are in. This is why many believe it's morally and economically wrong.
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Re: okay, explain to me what is so bad about the recent fed disclosures? [Re: Rebirtha]
#14236917 - 04/04/11 03:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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yet again i find myself agreeing with zappa and his opponents. it's such a fine line in american politics. going to read more about this, that's for sure.
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Re: okay, explain to me what is so bad about the recent fed disclosures? [Re: JT]
#14237108 - 04/04/11 04:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Here is a great article about the current inflation situation. This is a business article and puts no political perspective in it, so I think everybody hear could enjoy it. http://seekingalpha.com/article/261326-will-1970s-style-inflation-derail-the-bull-market-in-stocks
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Re: okay, explain to me what is so bad about the recent fed disclosures? [Re: Rebirtha]
#14237717 - 04/04/11 06:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Rebirtha said: When you think about it, what the Federal Reserve is doing is somewhat socialist, taking care of banks that are in trouble around the world at the expense of the US dollar's worth by increasing the money supply and jeopardizing the economic state we are in. This is why many believe it's morally and economically wrong.
I've said this before that central banks like the federal reserve are communist or socialist, and sour at that. I agree! The power to create inflation is in fact worse than communism or socialism because instead of all things shared ownership, it's all things owned by the fed and it's inflatable.
And it's fake like a plastic inflatable sex doll.
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Re: okay, explain to me what is so bad about the recent fed disclosures? [Re: Shins]
#14244108 - 04/05/11 08:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've said this before that central banks like the federal reserve are communist or socialist, and sour at that. I agree! The power to create inflation is in fact worse than communism or socialism because instead of all things shared ownership, it's all things owned by the fed and it's inflatable.
And it's fake like a plastic inflatable sex doll.
It is the predictable result of corrupted bolshevism as all of the nation's power to create money is concentrated in the hands of groups of people of a similar nation/religion/ethnicity. The real taboo is that of Rothschild and his sons going to different countries and controlling the money supply.
Karl marx wished to free people from Naked capitalism and his ideas end up enslaving a generation after. Every communist after the 1870s paris commune was no longer the same as the international with bakunin and karl marx. There was a deep desire to create a judeo-christian religion on the side of karl marx, there was a deep desire to understand the nationalism of the oppressed from the side of bakunin, both very creative movements. After the betrayal of social democracy in 1917, all communists misunderstood karl marx religion as atheist cosmopolitanism, and slowly but surely every became decadent after.
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Re: okay, explain to me what is so bad about the recent fed disclosures? [Re: communeart]
#14246879 - 04/06/11 11:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've said this before that central banks like the federal reserve are communist or socialist, and sour at that. I agree! The power to create inflation is in fact worse than communism or socialism because instead of all things shared ownership, it's all things owned by the fed and it's inflatable.
And it's fake like a plastic inflatable sex doll.
It is the predictable result of corrupted bolshevism as all of the nation's power to create money is concentrated in the hands of groups of people of a similar nation/religion/ethnicity. The real taboo is that of Rothschild and his sons going to different countries and controlling the money supply.
Karl marx wished to free people from Naked capitalism and his ideas end up enslaving a generation after. Every communist after the 1870s paris commune was no longer the same as the international with bakunin and karl marx. There was a deep desire to create a judeo-christian religion on the side of karl marx, there was a deep desire to understand the nationalism of the oppressed from the side of bakunin, both very creative movements. After the betrayal of social democracy in 1917, all communists misunderstood karl marx religion as atheist cosmopolitanism, and slowly but surely every became decadent after.
Hasn't it occurred to you that if just a few million million Jews have managed to take over the world of finance, as you absurdly posit, that maybe you should surrender to them as obviously superior beings?
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Re: okay, explain to me what is so bad about the recent fed disclosures? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14278518 - 04/12/11 03:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Stealing from one's fellow man is no indication of superiority.
You are confusing cunning for virtue.
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Re: okay, explain to me what is so bad about the recent fed disclosures? [Re: Mr.Al]
#14279182 - 04/12/11 05:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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They aren't stealing, Al. They are just kicking your ass. Beating you isn't stealing. Never has been.
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Re: okay, explain to me what is so bad about the recent fed disclosures? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14366921 - 04/28/11 01:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: They aren't stealing, Al. They are just kicking your ass. Beating you isn't stealing. Never has been.
Inflation of the money supply and crony capitalism is theft.
You support this immoral behavior?
How can it TRUTHFULLY be called anything else?
An immoral monetary system supports despotism and the destruction of life and liberty.
http://mises.org/daily/5212/Inflation-Inferno-I
You support this morally reprehensible behavior. Why do you worship theft, death, and wanton destruction?
You stereotype Jewish people when you suggest that they all support central banking.
see: Murray N. Rothbard you closet statist, you.
Once again, your "arguments" on monetary issues completely lack substance, just like fiat money.
You attempt to make this an issue about Jewish people so as to distract from the fact that you are a lousy debater.
Put up or S.T.F.U.
Thanks so much for playing
Edited by Mr.Al (04/28/11 01:25 PM)
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