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Re: After reading Becker: An attempt at describing the melancholy of those who believe in death anxi [Re: xFrockx]
    #14230252 - 04/03/11 08:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Because you're the one who felt the need to make this post :lol:


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Re: After reading Becker: An attempt at describing the melancholy of those who believe in death anxi [Re: Kickle] * 1
    #14230264 - 04/03/11 08:54 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So why not defend your bullshit instead of just throwing it on me?

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Re: After reading Becker: An attempt at describing the melancholy of those who believe in death anxi [Re: Kickle]
    #14230272 - 04/03/11 08:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

do animals have death anxiety?


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Re: After reading Becker: An attempt at describing the melancholy of those who believe in death anxi [Re: xFrockx]
    #14230274 - 04/03/11 08:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

That's what I've been wondering about you since the first post, where you claimed this post was some sort of life preserver for others :lol:


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Re: After reading Becker: An attempt at describing the melancholy of those who believe in death anxi [Re: quinn]
    #14230276 - 04/03/11 08:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

According to Becker, no.

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Re: After reading Becker: An attempt at describing the melancholy of those who believe in death anxi [Re: Kickle]
    #14230280 - 04/03/11 08:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

No argument at all.


If you don't want to have one, leave me alone. If you do, please give me something other than judgment of my personality over the internet. I'm not here to smell your farts.

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Re: After reading Becker: An attempt at describing the melancholy of those who believe in death anxi [Re: xFrockx]
    #14230290 - 04/03/11 09:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

thnx.

@kickle - do babies have it?

why do adults necessarily have it or are stuck with it?


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Re: After reading Becker: An attempt at describing the melancholy of those who believe in death anxi [Re: quinn]
    #14230292 - 04/03/11 09:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

According to Becker, babies learn it around 2 years old.

Becker claims adults must have it basically with the argument "How else could one feel when realizing their life will end?"

I don't know how I'm supposed to feel about it personally.


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Re: After reading Becker: An attempt at describing the melancholy of those who believe in death anxi [Re: quinn]
    #14230301 - 04/03/11 09:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

well it would seem possible not to learn it. or to learn that it was a false assumption (like god being a false assumption... no?


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Re: After reading Becker: An attempt at describing the melancholy of those who believe in death anxi [Re: quinn]
    #14230312 - 04/03/11 09:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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How else could one feel when realizing their life will end?




there are some sane adult humans who adamantly believe there is no such thing as self (or me or I).
in their case the above statement would be meaningless...

in which case death anxiety is not necessarily true for all humans... yeh?


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Re: After reading Becker: An attempt at describing the melancholy of those who believe in death anxi [Re: xFrockx]
    #14230315 - 04/03/11 09:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I don't know how I'm supposed to feel about it personally.






I think we all know how we're "supposed" to feel about it.  How we really feel about it is something else entirely.

As evidence I present to you....the entire human civilization.


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Re: After reading Becker: An attempt at describing the melancholy of those who believe in death anxi [Re: quinn]
    #14230318 - 04/03/11 09:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"well it would seem possible not to learn it. or to learn that it was a false assumption"

Well, thats kinda what I'm saying, although I wouldn't say the assumption is false. Its just based off of assumptions. They're all self supported, there is no reason or objectivity in fear.

"how exactly do they learn it? "

Through experiences that threaten them. Becker claims that the more trauma one experiences the more death anxiety one will have, basically because these experiences solidify fear for most people.

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Re: After reading Becker: An attempt at describing the melancholy of those who believe in death anxi [Re: quinn]
    #14230327 - 04/03/11 09:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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How else could one feel when realizing their life will end?




there are some sane adult humans who adamantly believe there is no such thing as self (or me or I).
in their case the above statement would be meaningless...

in which case death anxiety is not necessarily true for all humans... yeh?




Agreed.  But IMO/IME there are so few of these people it's ridiculous.

It's one thing to understand there is intrinsically no-self.  But actually maintaining that 24 hours a day...quite a thing.


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Re: After reading Becker: An attempt at describing the melancholy of those who believe in death anxi [Re: Cups]
    #14230328 - 04/03/11 09:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"I think we all know how we're "supposed" to feel about it. "

Spare me. How are we supposed to feel then? Your answer better be the same as mine.

"As evidence I present to you....the entire human civilization. "

What about that provides your evidence? What about the suicide cults? they did not seem to hold the same ascriptions to death that others might.


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Re: After reading Becker: An attempt at describing the melancholy of those who believe in death anxi [Re: Cups]
    #14230334 - 04/03/11 09:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"Agreed.  But IMO/IME there are so few of these people it's ridiculous."

Exceptions are exceptions. If death anxiety is true of all people, there would be no exceptions.

"But actually maintaining that 24 hours a day...quite a thing. "

If you don't use it, you lose it.

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Re: After reading Becker: An attempt at describing the melancholy of those who believe in death anxi [Re: xFrockx]
    #14230349 - 04/03/11 09:25 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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xFrockx said:
"I think we all know how we're "supposed" to feel about it. "

Spare me. I am not a slave to social norms about how I should feel.




Never said you were.  But even you prove this...this whole thread is based on you saying we're not "supposed" to be scared because we don't know anything.  But I bet somewhere you're scared just like me. 

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"As evidence I present to you....the entire human civilization. "




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xFrockx said:What about that provides your evidence?




I thought you read the book. :lol:

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xFrockx said:What about the suicide cults? they did not seem to hold the same ascriptions to death that others might.




Kickle will tell you that suicide is seen as a way to escape death anxiety.  I agree...find meaning in taking the randomness out of death.  Dying on your terms and your timetable is a nice way to kick death in the nuts.


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Re: After reading Becker: An attempt at describing the melancholy of those who believe in death anxi [Re: xFrockx]
    #14230355 - 04/03/11 09:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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No argument at all.


If you don't want to have one, leave me alone. If you do, please give me something other than judgment of my personality over the internet. I'm not here to smell your farts.




What evidence could be presented to someone who believes there is no evidence of any knowledge at all? All I'm saying is if you want evidence that works with such a mind set, you need to start looking on your end. And I am by no means convinced you've done that, because your claims are pretty out there.

Becker already presented the intellectual evidence, you can provide the emotional :shrug:


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Re: After reading Becker: An attempt at describing the melancholy of those who believe in death anxi [Re: Cups] * 1
    #14230356 - 04/03/11 09:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

and point being if these ppl exist then death anxiety does not necessarily exist for all people and is not necessarily something you are stuck with.

the insidious aspect of the argument is that you can always say the people claim *insert belief* in order to avoid death anxiety.

this is a poor argument imo. you could do it for anything. 'hand anxiety' everything you have ever done points back to your anxiety about the need to do something with your hands.

i dont think everything revolves around death anxiety... there is no need to privilege it especially above any other reason that humans do things in any particular case.

maybe this thread involved: 1 part hand anxiety, 2 parts death anxiety, 1 part social anxiety, 3 parts drug related anxiety etc.

maybe getting lost when listening to music has no parts death anxiety... who is anyone to say? :shrug:


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Re: After reading Becker: An attempt at describing the melancholy of those who believe in death anxi [Re: quinn]
    #14230446 - 04/03/11 09:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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and point being if these ppl exist then death anxiety does not necessarily exist for all people and is not necessarily something you are stuck with.




I don't dispute this...but the number of "enlightened" masters is minuscule.  Certain brain conditions also kick out fear so I suppose getting a tumor in the right place could be do the trick.  Or a lobotomy.


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maybe getting lost when listening to music has no parts death anxiety... who is anyone to say? :shrug:




Hmmm, escaping reality for a moment through art....if only I was smart enough to find a way to relate that to death anxiety. :lol:

Like you hand anxiety thing though...and I get what you're saying.


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Re: After reading Becker: An attempt at describing the melancholy of those who believe in death anxi [Re: Cups]
    #14230492 - 04/03/11 10:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Oh icelander???? Where is that guy with the snake avatar when ya need him?:strokebeard3:


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