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Hallucinations are not a drug.
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When you take a Hallucinogenic you dont say i want another hit right now. thats the last thing on your mind, your speechless, and will possibly try it again months or years later or neveragain it awakens people, sacred, magic, divine are all words used to describe it. yet it's more illegal then cocaine. Some in our own bodys. So Many Questions.
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: LoveOverAll]
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Hallucinogenics are absolutely drugs. I bet you're one of those people that praise cannabis & mushrooms because they're "natural" too, right?
Edited by LbDub (04/03/11 09:01 AM)
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: LbDub]
#14230296 - 04/03/11 09:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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hallucinogens should be regulated for medical use and therapy i mean the dutch had shrooms easily available for some time.
but we are not the dutch> people cant even drink and keep there ass outa trouble>shrroms>2c>lsd>ect
no way man
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: LoveOverAll]
#14230317 - 04/03/11 09:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Legalize them, but strictly regulate them through licensed doctors who know a great amount about the effects of psychedelics. People should be fully aware of the effects and what they should and shouldn't be doing on psychedelics to keep themselves and everyone else safe.
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: highc]
#14230338 - 04/03/11 09:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ok im writing all this shit down.
Im workin on a Psychedelics for Dummies book atm
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: highc]
#14230341 - 04/03/11 09:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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ehhh... I took a tab at home then took a few more because I wanted to
All drugs should be legalized.
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: Beanhead]
#14230353 - 04/03/11 09:28 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah psychs should all be legalized as should pot and opies...well everything for that matter. Legal & regulated  
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: LbDub]
#14230368 - 04/03/11 09:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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You cant figure out how much of a Hallucinogen you should take? And you think a doctor will know better? Are you serious?
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: LoveOverAll]
#14230374 - 04/03/11 09:34 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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those who are interested in psychs should be able to take them. and those who arent... wont
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: LoveOverAll]
#14230382 - 04/03/11 09:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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theblackhole said: You cant figure out how much of a Hallucinogen you should take? And you think a doctor will know better? Are you serious?
.. why did you reply to me? everything you just said has no relevance to what I said earlier.
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: Envix]
#14230389 - 04/03/11 09:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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what about those with mental disabilities
do we tag em like cattle so we know who they are and dont give them psycs
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: Micawber]
#14230393 - 04/03/11 09:39 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Micawber said: what about those with mental disabilities
do we tag em like cattle so we know who they are and dont give them psycs
good thing 
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: Micawber]
#14230403 - 04/03/11 09:42 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Micawber said: what about those with mental disabilities
do we tag em like cattle so we know who they are and dont give them psycs
how about let them deal with their own problems and stay out of other peoples business
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: Envix]
#14230423 - 04/03/11 09:48 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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i think a paranoid schizophrenic will be hard pressed t stay out of people business
and what about thoses with dormant problems its well known that psychedelics can trigger latent mental problems
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: LoveOverAll]
#14230436 - 04/03/11 09:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Personally I don't think legalization of hallucinogens is a good idea at all. If you've ever been to a bigger school just think of all the frat boy sheeple idiots that can't even handle alcohol without causing a scene. Now imagine all those people on LSD together in public. No thanks.
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: Equipto]
#14230455 - 04/03/11 10:00 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Equipto said: Personally I don't think legalization of hallucinogens is a good idea at all. If you've ever been to a bigger school just think of all the frat boy sheeple idiots that can't even handle alcohol without causing a scene. Now imagine all those people on LSD together in public. No thanks.
In my book i propose that all holotropic drugs are issued to a LICENCE holder only
For example u need a licence of weed to buy weed.
And there should be centers for licence control same as motor vehicle regulations
So to address your problem - only responsible people with high IQ would be allowed access to acid
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: desant]
#14230461 - 04/03/11 10:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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But the biggest argument we have is: system has NO RIGHT to stop responsible people enjoying psychedelics in right manner
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: Equipto] 3
#14230462 - 04/03/11 10:02 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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you should have to take a class or pass an exam or something. and then get a psycheedelics license
just like driving
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: Envix]
#14230464 - 04/03/11 10:02 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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exactly, my words
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: desant]
#14230466 - 04/03/11 10:02 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Haha that sounds good, if only we lived in a world where things could be decided so easily
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: Equipto]
#14230471 - 04/03/11 10:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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yea, well, we not gonna get it done over night, but hard work over a number of years almost certanly we can get weed and shrooms legalized  
also dont forget 2012 is coming, if we see a shift - laws will change to anarchy
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: desant]
#14230481 - 04/03/11 10:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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but then you have the problem of the drugs being super easy for the non licensed to get(Im nuts but my buddy has a card and dosent care)
im not at all trying to shot down the ideas here but this is so much more complicated then weed legalization
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: desant]
#14230482 - 04/03/11 10:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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desant said:
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Equipto said: Personally I don't think legalization of hallucinogens is a good idea at all. If you've ever been to a bigger school just think of all the frat boy sheeple idiots that can't even handle alcohol without causing a scene. Now imagine all those people on LSD together in public. No thanks.
In my book i propose that all holotropic drugs are issued to a LICENCE holder only
For example u need a licence of weed to buy weed.
And there should be centers for licence control same as motor vehicle regulations
So to address your problem - only responsible people with high IQ would be allowed access to acid 
Are you saying people with low IQ's are to stupid to take LSD? Are these centers going to test everyone. What is responsible. Being able to pay a high fee?
How about LSD just go back to how it was decades ago. Or just decriminalize it along with mushrooms and cacti.
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: Micawber]
#14230503 - 04/03/11 10:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Micawber said: but then you have the problem of the drugs being super easy for the non licensed to get(Im nuts but my buddy has a card and dosent care)
I remember thinking about that.
License holder would get his license revoked and banned, if found supplying to non license holders.
Its same with cigs here, under 16 year olds cant get em in shops. You dont see 12 year olds coming to a grown man and asking him to go pick up a packet of cigs... same with weed... once it will be legalized it will loose its appeal to the underage! think about it
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: desant]
#14230523 - 04/03/11 10:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Anyway, anyone interested collaborating with me on this book im writing?
(Holotropic Drugs for Dummies)
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: desant]
#14230561 - 04/03/11 10:28 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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desant said: Anyway, anyone interested collaborating with me on this book im writing?
(Holotropic Drugs for Dummies)
no but id love to buy a coppie when it comes out
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: LoveOverAll]
#14230795 - 04/03/11 11:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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You've never seen anyone re-dose before?
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: jewunit]
#14230853 - 04/03/11 11:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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theres a thread like this everyday
the world is a massive profit and production scheme
i dont like a lot of people in the world and if they were on drugs that would be worse
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desant said:
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Equipto said: Personally I don't think legalization of hallucinogens is a good idea at all. If you've ever been to a bigger school just think of all the frat boy sheeple idiots that can't even handle alcohol without causing a scene. Now imagine all those people on LSD together in public. No thanks.
In my book i propose that all holotropic drugs are issued to a LICENCE holder only
For example u need a licence of weed to buy weed.
And there should be centers for licence control same as motor vehicle regulations
So to address your problem - only responsible people with high IQ would be allowed access to acid 
Yeah lets only gives licenses to people that can pass an incompetent IQ test
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: Beanhead]
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no one can decide if someone can handle psychs
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: LbDub]
#14230969 - 04/03/11 12:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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LbDub said: Hallucinogenics are absolutely drugs. I bet you're one of those people that praise cannabis & mushrooms because they're "natural" too, right?
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: Johnnybones]
#14236119 - 04/04/11 01:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Johnnybones said:
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LbDub said: Hallucinogenics are absolutely drugs. I bet you're one of those people that praise cannabis & mushrooms because they're "natural" too, right?
Amen
All Hallucinogenic drugs were made illegal because one kid on acid jumped out a window, Dmt, psilocybin, lsd, ebogain, were made schedule 1.
Have you researched Hallucinogenic drugs?
Schedule 2 Cocaine
This system has never been handled in a rational and scientific way.
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: Micawber]
#14236155 - 04/04/11 01:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Micawber said: but then you have the problem of the drugs being super easy for the non licensed to get(Im nuts but my buddy has a card and dosent care)
im not at all trying to shot down the ideas here but this is so much more complicated then weed legalization
I wholeheartedly agree.
I think that psychedelics should be legal in a psychiatric setting.
Widespread legalization of psychedelics will lead to irresponsible use.
Irresponsible use of psychedelics has much further reaching consequences than irresponsible use of heroin. Or even cocaine.
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: LoveOverAll]
#14236686 - 04/04/11 03:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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theblackhole said: Have all Hallucinations legalized? Users may choose only one (30 total votes)
I was unaware hallucinations were illegal
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: LoveOverAll]
#14236729 - 04/04/11 03:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't think hallucinogens should be regulated at all. I guess that makes me a psychedelic anarchist.
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: LoveOverAll] 2
#14236752 - 04/04/11 03:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I read your post about 5 times and I still can't figure out what the fuck you are talking about.
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: Gumby]
#14236804 - 04/04/11 03:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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thanx, it would have been 10x if it was in my hand writing.
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: Gumby]
#14236814 - 04/04/11 03:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Gumby said: I read your post about 5 times and I still can't figure out what the fuck you are talking about.
 Me too.
To the poster that says the licenses would be based on IQ tests, that's absolute bullshit and is one of the worse ways that I could think to hand out "licenses".
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: bryguy27007]
#14236854 - 04/04/11 03:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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bryguy27007 said:
To the poster that says the licenses would be based on IQ tests, that's absolute bullshit and is one of the worse ways that I could think to hand out "licenses".
Seriously.
Also those of you who think keeping certain drugs illegal don't "get it". People will obtain whatever they want regardless of the legality of said item, and why would you want to lock anyone up for any victimless crime?
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: LbDub]
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LbDub said:
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bryguy27007 said:
To the poster that says the licenses would be based on IQ tests, that's absolute bullshit and is one of the worse ways that I could think to hand out "licenses".
Seriously.
Also those of you who think keeping certain drugs illegal don't "get it". People will obtain whatever they want regardless of the legality of said item, and why would you want to lock anyone up for any victimless crime?
Exactly. The legal status of a drug deters only a few people and I'm sure a lot of people who drink copious amounts of alcohol would probably benefit, mentally and physically, if they used some other, currently illegal drugs instead of drinking everytime they felt like getting "fucked up". That's not to say that people who use, for example, LSD or shrooms can't turn out to be totally mindless idiots like anybody else... but they should, at least, have the option of using something besides alcohol if they so desire. Protecting people from themselves just turns them into children. Let people make adult decisions so they can learn adult lessons. If some frat-boy jerkoff wants to dive headfirst into 5gs of cubensis like a moron he'll probably get his ass-kicked, learn his lesson, and stick to booze and bong-hits.
I also don't think the license concept is a very good idea. Requiring people who use psychedelic drugs to acquire a license will only complicate matters to the point of causing all sorts of unintended consequences and, accordingly, encourage people who can use these substances to have an elitist attitude towards those who can't.
I would say that alcohol is regulated pretty efficiently ATM and any other drug should have similar guidelines applied (although I do think the drinking age should be lowered to, at least, 18 in many places). People/businesses who sell any drug should definitely be required to get some sort of licensing in the same way that it's required of alcohol... but nobody should need a license to use such substances or produce them for their own partaking. Doing such a thing will just create another sort of drug using criminal class that burdens society with law enforcement, court and prison costs.
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Re: Hallucinations are not a drug. [Re: LoveOverAll]
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Bullshit OP. You've never taken just one hit of some L only to find out a little bit later you should have taken more? Also, I've tripped multiple times within in one month...
I used to think psychedelics should be legal, but now I'm not to sure. I can see a lot of problems coming from psychedelics being legal. Imagine if LSD was legal and any idiot could go to a local store and buy some? That wouldn't be good. I know enough people who thought they could handle LSD, who have had drug experience, only to take it and get fucked.
Of course, if someone looks hard enough they can find it but thats the key point you have to look its not just there.
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if you dont even know the word "hallucinogens", you dont have a say. in fact, i dont even think this word would be enitirely correct. it would have to be psychedelics or deliriants.
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