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atheism is an ugly thing 3
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Is it just me, or do apostates from the more fundamentalist strains of Christianity remain every bit as bigoted and selfish as the fundamentalists taught them to be? They throw out the baby but not the bathwater.
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Tchan909 said: Is it just me, or do apostates from the more fundamentalist strains of Christianity remain every bit as bigoted and selfish as the fundamentalists taught them to be? They throw out the baby but not the bathwater.
It's just you. Sounds like you are bigoted towards atheism.
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Re: atheism is an ugly thing [Re: Shroomerette] 3
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Not really, I was raised atheist and I strongly believe you don't need to be religious to have morals, but I've talked to a lot of former-fundamentalists-now-atheists who seem to reinforce the idea that you need religion to be moral.
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what is religion but an identifiable confection of personal specifics? fundamentalism adheres to such policies in order to conceive the collective. without the collective masses, religion no longer is an institution, but a perspective of belief; there is power in numbers.
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Re: atheism is an ugly thing [Re: meatcakeman] 1
#14227468 - 04/02/11 06:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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If that's true, then atheism is a religion too, but I get shouted down whenever I try to point this out.
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of course atheism is a religion. but, luckily, in such a religion, you become the church, the pastor, and the disciple. this creates a generalized relativity amongst the group of followers based on individualistic beliefs. by doing so, this system is less formidable as a collective, which creates a stark contrast comparatively speaking in relation to other religions. this might confuse some individuals into thinking that it lacks any familiarized resemblances to religion to constitute it as a religion.
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It is the imposition of a particular belief that could be viewed as ugly, the belief itself is interchangeable. As, it seems, no one knows definitively what Life is, to assert that one person is wrong (or right) is closed minded, imo. Spreading your belief(s) should not be a matter of forcing ideas on another but simply living your life as best you can (if you want to) and allowing others to approach you if they so please.
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Re: atheism is an ugly thing [Re: WScott] 1
#14227550 - 04/02/11 06:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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down with the church!

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Atheism isn't a thing, it's the absence of something. Atheists are just people.
If they're former "fundamentalists" yeah, they're probably gonna be kinda douche. Otherwise they wouldn't have ever been fundamentalists to begin with.
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I think you need to differentiate between atheism and anti-theism. There's a difference between those who personally see no reason to believe in God, and those who feel like they have to shove their "rational" views down everyone's throat. I even know some atheists who are actually fascinated with religion. Anyway, I'd say that both theists and atheists can be overly dogmatic and pushy, and the assholes on both sides are quick to condemn what they don't understand.
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Re: atheism is an ugly thing [Re: Silversoul] 1
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Jesus is real! This is a pic of the cloth that covered Jesus's body after he was crucified, it can still be seen today!


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Do you really not understand why atheists hate religion so much? Do you honestly believe that their hate is not justified? 
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meatcakeman said: of course atheism is a religion.
No it isn't.
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Re: atheism is an ugly thing [Re: Poid] 3
#14231040 - 04/03/11 12:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's funny that the tendencies of EXTREME fundamentalist christians (creationists and such) are virtually indistinguishable from those of EXTREME atheists or EXTREME anything really. It's just one says black, the other brown, another white, etc.
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Re: atheism is an ugly thing [Re: Toe_Jam]
#14231048 - 04/03/11 12:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Religion is the bane of humanity, it's no wonder some people are so militant against it.
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Re: atheism is an ugly thing [Re: Poid] 2
#14231171 - 04/03/11 01:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I just don't think it's wise to blame the excuses used, rather than the humans themselves, for the atrocities committed by humans. It shifts blame and obscures the real problems at the heart of the matter. The fact that all of the worst genocides of the 20th century were committed in the absence of serious religiosity leads me to suspect religion is being used by antitheists as a scapegoat, whether they know it or not.
Hitler exterminated millions of Jews, and although he professed the Christian faith publicly, he was privately areligious. He actually lamented that the Muslim armies had not taken Europe and that he was saddled with a "beggar's religion" like Christianity. There was no religious motivation for his extermination campaign. There's even less religion involved for Mao, who starved no less than 45 million people to death in forced collectivization campaigns. In this case, the atrocity was actually committed by an avowed antitheist. If you can consider events such as these and still hold religion responsible for humanity's problems, I just don't understand.
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IF ATHEISM IS A RELIGION THEN....
unemployment is a career
bald is a hair colour
your bare torso is a type of shirt
the power turned off is a TV channel
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Re: atheism is an ugly thing [Re: CMACD] 1
#14231346 - 04/03/11 02:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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No one, not even an atheist, questions being conscious, even though there is no (specific) evidence for it, yet it is not called a religion or a belief to say that I'm conscious, just no one seems to know what that means (specifically), except maybe a really stubborn ego.
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Re: atheism is an ugly thing [Re: CMACD] 1
#14231357 - 04/03/11 02:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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CMACD said: IF ATHEISM IS A RELIGION THEN....
unemployment is a career
bald is a hair colour
your bare torso is a type of shirt
the power turned off is a TV channel
transparent is a colour
Have you read The Myth of Religious Neutrality?
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The first part of Clouser's Myth argues that a religious belief is any belief about the divine or any belief about how humans are related to the divine. His definition of "divine" is anything that has the status of not being dependent on anything else.
Atheism is a religion in the sense that it places something as non-depend.
Clouser's definition of Religion is the most robust i have seen. It is not the same definition we all use, but it is the most accurate.
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Re: atheism is an ugly thing [Re: Tony]
#14231821 - 04/03/11 04:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tchan909 said: I just don't think it's wise to blame the excuses used, rather than the humans themselves, for the atrocities committed by humans.
By this (retarded) logic, we can't blame Islam for the erection of mosques. 
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Tchan909 said: It shifts blame and obscures the real problems at the heart of the matter.
You're saying that religion is not a real problem? 
What is the heart of the matter?
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Tchan909 said: The fact that all of the worst genocides of the 20th century were committed in the absence of serious religiosity leads me to suspect religion is being used by antitheists as a scapegoat, whether they know it or not. Hitler exterminated millions of Jews, and although he professed the Christian faith publicly, he was privately areligious. He actually lamented that the Muslim armies had not taken Europe and that he was saddled with a "beggar's religion" like Christianity. There was no religious motivation for his extermination campaign. There's even less religion involved for Mao, who starved no less than 45 million people to death in forced collectivization campaigns. In this case, the atrocity was actually committed by an avowed antitheist. If you can consider events such as these and still hold religion responsible for humanity's problems, I just don't understand.
Wow, so just because some atrocities were not committed in the name of religion, you think religion is not a problem?
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Kickle said: Humanity is the ugly thing, specifics be damned.
Why damn the specifics? How about holding people and groups of people responsible for what they do? 
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Tony said: No one, not even an atheist, questions being conscious, even though there is no (specific) evidence for it...
No specific evidence for being conscious? 
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Tony said: ...yet it is not called a religion or a belief to say that I'm conscious...
It is called a belief.
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Tony said: ...just no one seems to know what that means (specifically), except maybe a really stubborn ego.
This is like how people know that 2+2=4; they don't know the complicated mathematics which explains exactly how or why 2+2=4, but they know nonetheless.
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