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No Retreat: Marijuana Is A Dangerous Drug, To Society As Well As Users
    #14226271 - 04/02/11 01:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

http://articles.courant.com/2011-04-01/news/hc-op-boucher-marijuana-decriminalize20110401_1_decriminalize-simple-possession-increases-drug

Marijuana is a harmful, federally illegal drug that does not save or improve lives. There are several bills before the General Assembly this year that would decriminalize pot. The harm to public health and safety and increased cost to law enforcement far outweigh any perceived benefit.

Marijuana is a gateway drug that ruins lives. Many of my constituents suffer unbelievable hardships because of marijuana use by their children. I am reminded of the horror of a friend and constituent, Ronni McLaughlin, who found her beautiful son dead in her home after he overdosed on drugs at the age of 20.

Her son Dan opened the gate to drug abuse by smoking a few joints of marijuana. His marijuana addiction created a desire for more potent substances and finally heroin, which ended his life. This story has been repeated by too many Connecticut families.

I am a strong believer that taking away teeth from current laws sends the wrong message to our youth, increases drug use and crime and costs our state more on so many levels. If proposals to decriminalize marijuana are passed, possessing a small amount of pot (less than one ounce) would be punishable with a fine of up to $90, instead of a criminal charge. (Less than the penalty for a cellphone violation.) According to a Drug Free America, an ounce of pot equals 60 to 120 joints.

Decriminalizing marijuana will make it easier for street corner drug dealers to do business. An insignificant civil fine will be the cost of doing business and they will carry smaller amounts. New York City became the safest city in America when it cracked down on small offenses. Montana is debating bills that would repeal its medical marijuana reforms due to a huge surge of drug use, cartels moving in and rampant crime. We must not give Connecticut a soft-on-crime reputation by making it easy to obtain a get-out-of-jail-free ticket.

Police chiefs James Strilacci and Anthony Salvatore are on the front lines and they believe decriminalization would lead to unintended consequences. In testimony submitted to the Judiciary Committee they said, "Like many minor crimes, simple possession of marijuana is often a clue to more serious crimes. It's a common occurrence for a police officer to stop a car for a traffic violation, approach the car, and see a marijuana cigarette or smell its pungent smoke, which gives the officer probable cause to search the car. Discovery of larger quantities of drugs, cash, scales and packaging may indicate a dealer rather than a mere user."

Further, reducing the penalty for marijuana possession to a mail-in infraction would not save the state money. Chief State's Attorney Kevin Kane testified, "We could identify no inmate who is in prison — either pretrial or sentenced — solely for the simple possession of marijuana. The reality is these individuals are not in prison solely for possession and most certainly would still be there even if the infraction option had existed. There would seem to be little, if any savings to police departments by allowing for mail-in infractions."

Kane also said, "What proponents would lead you to believe is a 'simple' change is anything but and may actually dramatically increase the cost and time spent on these cases."

Yale University and other research institutions have all determined that smoked marijuana causes damage to the brain, lungs, heart and the body's T-cells that fight off infections. Researchers have also found marijuana can cause memory loss and can precipitate psychosis and schizophrenia.

There is evidence that a marijuana cigarette is four times as potent as one tobacco cigarette producing tumors, respiratory and heart ailments. According to A Drug Free America, gram for gram, marijuana contains more cancer-causing agents and higher levels of ammonia, hydrogen cyanide and nitric oxide than tobacco.

Furthermore, under the current proposals, the drug-free zones around schools and day care centers would be reduced from 1,500 feet to 200 feet allowing dealers to do business right in front of our children.

I am grateful we have fought repeated attempts in the past to take our state down this dangerous path and have not broken a trust with our constituents of doing no harm. Let's commit to keeping our children and neighborhoods safe.

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Re: No Retreat: Marijuana Is A Dangerous Drug, To Society As Well As Users [Re: 5-HT2A] * 1
    #14226289 - 04/02/11 01:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

only read first paragraph, nothing to say. >.>

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Re: No Retreat: Marijuana Is A Dangerous Drug, To Society As Well As Users [Re: 5-HT2A] * 1
    #14226295 - 04/02/11 02:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:facepalm:  :finger: bring it on motherfuckers

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Re: No Retreat: Marijuana Is A Dangerous Drug, To Society As Well As Users [Re: agonzalez64]
    #14226306 - 04/02/11 02:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

this article reeks  :facepalm3:


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Re: No Retreat: Marijuana Is A Dangerous Drug, To Society As Well As Users [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14226334 - 04/02/11 02:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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By TONI BOUCHER, The Hartford Courant




Her career is fucked as surely as any bigot journalist back in 1970.

That shit comes home to roost :smile:.

The knee-jerk type reactions have to come to a halt.  Oh no boo hoo my son ingested fatal quantities of heroin and died, lets stick guns in people's faces and lock them in boxes for using psychoactive substances.


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We could identify no inmate who is in prison — either pretrial or sentenced — solely for the simple possession of marijuana. The reality is these individuals are not in prison solely for possession and most certainly would still be there even if the infraction option had existed. There would seem to be little, if any savings to police departments by allowing for mail-in infractions."







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Re: No Retreat: Marijuana Is A Dangerous Drug, To Society As Well As Users [Re: Humility]
    #14226439 - 04/02/11 02:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

"Yale University and other research institutions have all determined that smoked marijuana causes damage to the brain, lungs, heart and the body's T-cells that fight off infections. Researchers have also found marijuana can cause memory loss and can precipitate psychosis and schizophrenia.

There is evidence that a marijuana cigarette is four times as potent as one tobacco cigarette producing tumors, respiratory and heart ailments. According to A Drug Free America, gram for gram, marijuana contains more cancer-causing agents and higher levels of ammonia, hydrogen cyanide and nitric oxide than tobacco. "




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Re: No Retreat: Marijuana Is A Dangerous Drug, To Society As Well As Users [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14226515 - 04/02/11 02:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

5-HT2A said:
Further, reducing the penalty for marijuana possession to a mail-in infraction would not save the state money. Chief State's Attorney Kevin Kane testified, "We could identify no inmate who is in prison — either pretrial or sentenced — solely for the simple possession of marijuana. The reality is these individuals are not in prison solely for possession and most certainly would still be there even if the infraction option had existed. There would seem to be little, if any savings to police departments by allowing for mail-in infractions."




She seems to be ignoring court costs, the costs of monitoring people on probation etc.  Stupid!


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Re: No Retreat: Marijuana Is A Dangerous Drug, To Society As Well As Users [Re: Run]
    #14226516 - 04/02/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

This is why im glad I got into conspiracies. Articles like this dont even make me angry anymore.. I know that it's just part of the game, a small part in the disinformation and propaganda campaign against anything good and wholesome in the world. This person knows that they are full of shit, I'd say most of them do especially an article like this so densely packed with disinfo and lies


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Re: No Retreat: Marijuana Is A Dangerous Drug, To Society As Well As Users [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14226523 - 04/02/11 02:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Cannabis should be legalized.  It would cut down on the gatway drug factor.  I got exposed to all kinds of drugs buying cannabis.
We should decriminalize all other drugs and have education programs that don't feed kids bullshit.


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Re: No Retreat: Marijuana Is A Dangerous Drug, To Society As Well As Users [Re: Run] * 1
    #14226606 - 04/02/11 03:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

She's certainly not the brightest light on the christmas tree. 

Consider this paragraph from :

"Fake Pot" -- A New Threat to Children and Parents

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The link between "fake pot" and real pot is the symptom of being high. The hallucinations and paranoid delusions are a direct result of THC. As research has shown, THC and its harmful effects are mimicked in the chemicals with in “fake pot” substances. Most do not realize that the THC in today’s marijuana is 10 times more potent than in years past and researchers have found fake pot is substantially more so. Just as nicotine has been engineered to increase one’s use of tobacco, so has marijuana. Dependence is the goal as there is a great deal of money to be made in this cash crop. According to medical experts, however, one marijuana cigarette is even more lethal than a cigarette, 4-5 times more.




THC is getting stronger and nicotine has been engineered.  :flowstone:


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Re: No Retreat: Marijuana Is A Dangerous Drug, To Society As Well As Users [Re: sunshine] * 1
    #14226699 - 04/02/11 03:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Why would someone even bother writing an article like this nowadays? Not only are  the arguments crap, but anybody with an internet connection could point out the blatant misinformation and logical fallacies.


Besides, even if if the stuff said in this article were true (which I'm sure everybody here knows isn't) everything said could be applied equally to "legal drugs".

Gateway Drug:
Any drug can be a gateway drug. I guarantee that a good number of people who are hooked on crystal meth were, earlier in their life, prescribed Ritalin before they ever even tried smoking pot.

Causes Cancer/Tumors:
Forget the fact that this is blatantly not true for a moment (cannabis has been shown to have cancer curing effects on users) and lets examine what else causes cancer: cigarettes. It's even mentioned in the article alongside marijuana and, yet, nobody on that website seems to be lobbying for a nationwide ban on tobacco.
And not only do "drugs" seem to be cancer causing but, according to some, so do a whole host of legal foods and additives (hydrogenated oils, sodium nitrite,  Oscar Mayer Wieners, Diet Soda...ect). Is her point that since a few individuals can't seem to avoid a supposedly unhealthy vice that they should be punished additionally by the criminal justice system? Yeah, because we all know that the inherit suffering brought on by a serious vice just isn't enough.

More Serious Crimes:
Like the ones people commit under the influence of alcohol? Or how about the tons of people who take ambien/benzos and become totally deranged and throw themselves into all kinds of dangerous situations? Most of these "more serious crimes" are not caused by drug use, anyway. They are the result of, just like alcohol prohibition, driving users and dealers into a criminal underground that forces them to operate with shady people and gangs who would, without prohibition, have no business in the drug business.


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Re: No Retreat: Marijuana Is A Dangerous Drug, To Society As Well As Users [Re: Remix]
    #14226845 - 04/02/11 04:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Drugs should never been made illegal in the first place, its my body don't tell me what not to put in it, it's as simple as that.

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Re: No Retreat: Marijuana Is A Dangerous Drug, To Society As Well As Users [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14226916 - 04/02/11 04:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

sounds plausible

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Re: No Retreat: Marijuana Is A Dangerous Drug, To Society As Well As Users [Re: Remix]
    #14226920 - 04/02/11 04:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Remix said:
Why would someone even bother writing an article like this nowadays? Not only are  the arguments crap, but anybody with an internet connection could point out the blatant misinformation and logical fallacies.


Besides, even if if the stuff said in this article were true (which I'm sure everybody here knows isn't) everything said could be applied equally to "legal drugs".

Gateway Drug:
Any drug can be a gateway drug. I guarantee that a good number of people who are hooked on crystal meth were, earlier in their life, prescribed Ritalin before they ever even tried smoking pot.

Causes Cancer/Tumors:
Forget the fact that this is blatantly not true for a moment (cannabis has been shown to have cancer curing effects on users) and lets examine what else causes cancer: cigarettes. It's even mentioned in the article alongside marijuana and, yet, nobody on that website seems to be lobbying for a nationwide ban on tobacco.
And not only do "drugs" seem to be cancer causing but, according to some, so do a whole host of legal foods and additives (hydrogenated oils, sodium nitrite,  Oscar Mayer Wieners, Diet Soda...ect). Is her point that since a few individuals can't seem to avoid a supposedly unhealthy vice that they should be punished additionally by the criminal justice system? Yeah, because we all know that the inherit suffering brought on by a serious vice just isn't enough.

More Serious Crimes:
Like the ones people commit under the influence of alcohol? Or how about the tons of people who take ambien/benzos and become totally deranged and throw themselves into all kinds of dangerous situations? Most of these "more serious crimes" are not caused by drug use, anyway. They are the result of, just like alcohol prohibition, driving users and dealers into a criminal underground that forces them to operate with shady people and gangs who would, without prohibition, have no business in the drug business.


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very well said remix very well said

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Re: No Retreat: Marijuana Is A Dangerous Drug, To Society As Well As Users [Re: shroom_boom]
    #14226957 - 04/02/11 04:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:dudewtf:

I wonder if some people really believe in article like that.

Maybe...

Anyway.

Like Mckenna said:

"If a society can survive to alcohol, it can survives to any drugs being legal as well"


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Re: No Retreat: Marijuana Is A Dangerous Drug, To Society As Well As Users [Re: shroom_boom]
    #14226975 - 04/02/11 04:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Is there any profession in the world besides politicians that can simply ignore the truth when it doesnt serve their needs and still manage to thrive?

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Re: No Retreat: Marijuana Is A Dangerous Drug, To Society As Well As Users [Re: demon6fire]
    #14226991 - 04/02/11 04:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

preacher


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Re: No Retreat: Marijuana Is A Dangerous Drug, To Society As Well As Users [Re: Shroomerette]
    #14227002 - 04/02/11 04:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Cop.


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Re: No Retreat: Marijuana Is A Dangerous Drug, To Society As Well As Users [Re: Remix]
    #14227070 - 04/02/11 04:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Am I first to realize that article dated the 1st of April?  At least I hope it was a joke.

Quote:

demon6fire said:
Is there any profession in the world besides politicians that can simply ignore the truth when it doesnt serve their needs and still manage to thrive?




Someone who tests polygraphs before they leave the factory.


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Re: No Retreat: Marijuana Is A Dangerous Drug, To Society As Well As Users [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14227180 - 04/02/11 05:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i just think this kind of shit happens when we as a country dont unite and tell the goverment what we want...

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