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Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed
#14226793 - 04/02/11 03:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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The True Believers will give a dozen or so of the standard 48 excuses, but behind all the bluster and noise, there is only ONE reason:
Not one human being can alter physics with his mind.
That's it. No conspiracy. No Cosmic Spiritual Laws preventing such an exhibition. No government boogie men.
Just plain old self-delusion followed by abject failure.
Of course, this is why the weak-minded head over to M&P where close examination is seen as poison. But ignorance is the real poison. A question never hurts a non-rigid mind. Never.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: Freedom]
#14226821 - 04/02/11 03:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Now move your mind with your arms and you will have reached the Tenth Level, Grasshopper.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: Freedom]
#14226859 - 04/02/11 04:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I hope you have mastered the art of heating your tea with your hands. Otherwise you are not as far along as I thought.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: Freedom]
#14226969 - 04/02/11 04:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have a chia pet. Does that count?
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: Diploid]
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is it a thai chia?
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: Freedom]
#14227049 - 04/02/11 04:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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People can use telekenis and can alter physics with their mind, but not if there are any skeptics watching.. it's the S-rays man.
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Simple point yet profound IMO.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: soldatheero]
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How is that profound?
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: Poid]
#14229185 - 04/03/11 12:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's thought manifested as physical action. Even greater than our ability to think thoughts is our ability to change the world around us, the world of others, with those thoughts.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: Poid]
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because the self which has no specific centre or location in the brain or body can take control of matter.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: soldatheero]
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Doc_T said: It's thought manifested as physical action. Even greater than our ability to think thoughts is our ability to change the world around us, the world of others, with those thoughts.
That's not very profound IMO, it's actually quite ordinary.
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soldatheero said: because the self which has no specific centre or location in the brain or body can take control of matter.
If this "self" has no specific center or location in the brain or body, then it doesn't exist in the brain or body; if it doesn't exist in the brain or body, then no human possesses it.
IOW, this "self" concept is a load of shit.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: Poid]
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How could someone posess themselves? possesion of something implies posession of something other then yourself.
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IOW, this "self" concept is a load of shit.
Sure but even then do you deny that you exist right now? Being exists and being is not the brain it is being not brain, being can control matter just like he said we can move our bodies that is being controlling matter.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: soldatheero]
#14229314 - 04/03/11 12:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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IOW, this "self" concept is a load of shit.
Sure but even then do you deny that you exist right now? Being exists...
This is the same thing as saying existence exists.
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soldatheero said: ...and being is not the brain it is being not brain, being can control matter just like he said we can move our bodies that is being controlling matter.
Everything that exists has the quality of existing, and some existent things can control other existent things; saying that being can control matter is like saying that existence can control matter. Doesn't make any sense.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: Poid]
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Well I could say being is the mind or it is consciousness however it is neither of these but something of its own. The point is that being is not matter.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: soldatheero]
#14229434 - 04/03/11 12:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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How are you defining "being"? Are you defining it in a way that is synonymous with "existence"?
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: soldatheero]
#14229439 - 04/03/11 12:59 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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and some existent things can control other existent things
Like what? What matter can control other matter? It is true that forces can control matter. However the only matter I can see controlling matter is in living things which is apparently according to you matter controling itself? The only matter controlling itself are plants, insects animals etc and they all happen to have consciousness or "being" in common. Perhaps only being can really control matter.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: soldatheero]
#14229476 - 04/03/11 01:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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and some existent things can control other existent things
Like what? What matter can control other matter?
Humans, and other creatures.
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soldatheero said: It is true that forces can control matter. However the only matter I can see controlling matter is in living things which is apparently according to you matter controling itself?
Yes; creatures can exercise control over other things besides themselves.
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soldatheero said: The only matter controlling itself are plants, insects animals etc and they all happen to have consciousness or "being" in common. Perhaps only being can really control matter.
Please tell me how you're defining being.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: Poid] 1
#14229523 - 04/03/11 01:16 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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soldatheero said: because the self which has no specific centre or location in the brain or body can take control of matter.
If this "self" has no specific center or location in the brain or body, then it doesn't exist in the brain or body; if it doesn't exist in the brain or body, then no human possesses it.
IOW, this "self" concept is a load of shit.
 
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: quinn]
#14229610 - 04/03/11 01:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Being in creatures is experience, the experience of sensing, seeing or feeling etc, in order to see or experience there has to be some level of consciousness of what is being seen or felt and this consciousness is not a physical thing it is experience. An ant can lift is leg in the defiance of the force of gravity in order to reach food. It was the experience within the ant, say it experienced hunger for food and that need it was experienced in the consciousness of the ant and it responded by moving the matter that composes its leg. The cause is immaterial and occurs within the experience of the ant however the effect is the control of matter, the leg moving against the natural law of gravity.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: soldatheero]
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I've been reading about psi phenomena for years, not to try and make myself sound credible by saying that, because we don't know shit. The empirical argument of psi, and the shifting of burden of proof, rest that these things are not (mostly) reproducible under clinical circumstances, understandably creating skepticism. Now my bias is that yes, I believe that psi phenomena exist. And as unfalsifiable as it sounds, it just doesn't work that way (from my experience). Now that seems like a flying spaghetti monster argument, i know, but that doesn't make it outside of science since its not empirical, rather it sets that maybe there are some variables that are not being meet. but maybe after reading some of these articles I can get some appreciated range of diversity of responses from you guys. http://psionslair.tk/index.php/telepathy-articles/3-psychokinesis-articles/98-shifting-probabilities-.html http://psionslair.tk/index.php/telepathy-articles/33-philosophy/95-what-is-science-part-i.html http://psionslair.tk/index.php/psi-research-articles/8-research-articles.html I have no clue how this works, it just does, and (if) a person performs a phenomena, that doesn't conclude they know more on the mechanics of it, just the technique.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: sickofit]
#14231765 - 04/03/11 04:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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And as unfalsifiable as it sounds, it just doesn't work that way (from my experience).
Not much to add when visiting TrueBelieverLand where flimsy coincidence, self-delusion and excuses roam the earth. But back in the real-world...
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as the rules of constructing a logical argument says its helpful to do for categorization and to keep order; I merely stated my bias. There is nothing that can I can say rather than just throw around links from which I learned it from. continue on with the thread, thank you. http://www.virtualschool.edu/mon/SocialConstruction/Logic.html
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: Poid] 1
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Poid said: That's not very profound IMO, it's actually quite ordinary.
If this "self" has no specific center or location in the brain or body, then it doesn't exist in the brain or body; if it doesn't exist in the brain or body, then no human possesses it.
IOW, this "self" concept is a load of shit.
actually it does have a specific location in the brain which is the temporal lobe.
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The one on the right, non-dominant, contributes to the sense of self with constant communication with its opposite colleague.
when the forty hertz component is deeply attenuated or entirely absent from, say, the left side, and there's no "self" experience occurring, the feeling of unity with infinity is occuring with a sense of an overwhelming presence resulting from the continued operation of the right hand side, there is no way to describe it other than feeling that one has experienced the "infinite presence."
http://www.bidstrup.com/mystic.htm
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Dr Newberg explained: "During meditation, people have a loss of the sense of self and frequently experience a sense of no space and time and that was exactly what we saw." The complex interaction between different areas of the brain also resembles the pattern of activity that occurs during other so-called spiritual or mystical experiences.
http://www.crystalinks.com/medbrain.html
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: bigmike7104]
#14233838 - 04/03/11 10:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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What reliable sources!
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: 4896744]
#14234018 - 04/03/11 11:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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why aren't they?
the second one is a study by a neuroscientist at the university of Pennsylvania that was also reported in bbc news http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/1847442.stm
and the first one is written about that and other published studies
here's more though
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-We perceive the “I” as stable, but the self is actually a construct that the brain works constantly to maintain. -Self-knowledge involves both simple mental processes, such as knowing where one’s body is in space, and complex ones, such as fabricating a life story out of past events.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=me-myself-and-i
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YOUR brain's ability to identify familiar faces has an interesting quirk. While the right side of the brain recognises other people, it's the left side that knows you're you.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg17523572.400-split-brain-reveals-our-sense-of-self.html
"Brain Area Affects Sense Of Self"
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"This suggests that normal functioning of the right frontal lobe is necessary for people to maintain their sense of self," Miller said. Biological disorder not only affects behavior, but can destroy patterns of self awareness, he said.
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=98580&page=2
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: bigmike7104]
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Poid said: That's not very profound IMO, it's actually quite ordinary.
If this "self" has no specific center or location in the brain or body, then it doesn't exist in the brain or body; if it doesn't exist in the brain or body, then no human possesses it.
IOW, this "self" concept is a load of shit.
actually it does have a specific location in the brain which is the temporal lobe.
I'm saying the particular "self" concept that he defined is a load of shit; I don't believe that the self has no specific center or location in the brain.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: Poid]
#14234286 - 04/04/11 12:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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ahh i see, i should've quoted soldattheero then
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: bigmike7104]
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My thought exactly.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: Poid]
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that's kind of scary now that i think about it in that it probably means that our sense of self doesn't move on after death since it's located in the brain
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OrgoneConclusion said: The True Believers will give a dozen or so of the standard 48 excuses, but behind all the bluster and noise, there is only ONE reason:
Not one human being can alter physics with his mind.
That's it. No conspiracy. No Cosmic Spiritual Laws preventing such an exhibition. No government boogie men.
Just plain old self-delusion followed by abject failure.
Of course, this is why the weak-minded head over to M&P where close examination is seen as poison. But ignorance is the real poison. A question never hurts a non-rigid mind. Never.
I don't understand where the drive comes from to bother transcending the untranscendable. If you look around, existence itself is purely magical, all mundane things are absolute miracles by virtue of the intricately fine tuned balance that sustains us, the sheer complexity of everything. No two snowflakes that have fallen down have ever been identical. Why anyone would want to skip over all of that and focus on a bunch of parlour tricks is beyond me.
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Thank you for your non-contribution.
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I was only offering my opinion, please don't be such a poo poo sir.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: bigmike7104]
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that's kind of scary now that i think about it in that it probably means that our sense of self doesn't move on after death since it's located in the brain
Correlation is not causation. Just because an specific portion of hte brain is correlated with the experience of the self does not mean it is the self. The brain is obviously correlated with consciousness but there is still no explaination for how the the brain actually produces consciousness. Just as you cannot say the brain is consciousness you also cannot say the self IS the temporal lobe.
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Not one human being can alter physics with his mind.
How do you explain the placebo effect then?
Do you mean to say that what occurs within the intangible mind has absolutely know affect in the physical body?
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: soldatheero]
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: soldatheero]
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How do you explain the placebo effect then?
Seeing as how this thread is not about placebo nor does placebo violate physics , DO YOUR OWN DAMNED RESEARCH.
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the placebo effect is a clear cut case of the human mind effecting physical reality. It's very obvious that the mind does have influence over the physical universe and that this discussion is a question of degree. Now, I think (dare I say know) that the mind's potential influence over external reality is infinite because ultimately it's all the activity of the mind, and therefor things like miracles are possible. I'll forgive you for not agreeing with me to this amount, but at least allow that the mind does have a huge influence on external objects and that this influence can probably be increased.
You seem to think that the laws of physics are discreet metaphysical entities that govern the world. But in reality....there are no laws of physics, even if these equations do map reality quite well they are present in the mind and not in nature. Reality is larger than the laws of physics, it is what those laws appear in. They appear in the consciousness, as does the external world, as does our mind. Your paradigm is messed up and you think consciousness arose out of the physical world. Careful consideration makes this prospect silly, it's quite clear the physical world exists within consciousness if you spend a lot of time analyzing your present experience.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: g00ru]
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the placebo effect is a clear cut case of the human mind effecting physical reality
Not it is not. Restating an error does not increase it's validity. Yes, deluding oneself can change perspective. So what?
Taking a penicillin placebo will not make VD go away.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: g00ru]
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but at least allow that the mind does have a huge influence on external objects and that this influence can probably be increased.
I will as soon as it is demonstrated. How much simpler can I make this?
Claim the Millions and make me a believer. Or keeping making excuses and spouting silliness. Your call.
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many illnesses can be cured through placebo...imo, like depression and other problems that are pretty much spiritual in nature.
The mind does effect external reality. The mind does effect external reality. The mind does effect external reality. The mind does effect external reality. The mind does effect external reality. Learn this to be true grasshopper, it will carry you far.
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The mind does effect external reality. The mind does effect external reality. The mind does effect external reality. The mind does effect external reality. The mind does effect external reality.
Simply repeat five times clack your heels together and Kansas here we come!
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: Grapefruit]
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: Grapefruit]
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I don't get why some posters are unable to discern internal from external. And why all the mystic-heads would rather work at KFC than be rich.
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I'd hate to work at KFC. I work at an indie movie theater and even that sux nuts. But though money is necessary it's not the ultimate currency. That my friend would be loooooove
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: g00ru]
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For a spiritual person, it seems very selfish of you to not claim the Randi Millions by warping external reality and donate a large chunk to the Japanese Tsunami Relief Fund (or other charity of your choice).
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: g00ru]
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Sending vibes is about as useless as it gets.
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ahhh, you betray your ignorance 
you don't think you're a full statement of you're being at any given moment? wonder what kind of ramifications that belief has...
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This is such a dogmatism thread, its hard to watch. What you call excuses, I call variables. Yes there are whack jobs out there, no doubt. And yes the idea of materialization of energy from no where to alter a physical system violates basic laws. No one (or at least me) has not implied that it does. I don't know how it works. Its just not empirical. And yes, to humor you, my excuses is that there is an observer effect. There, insult me, call me delusional and other hominem premises to conclude that what I say is not valid. What ever helps you sleep. There is no way that I can truly share to you my experiences and what has led me to believe what I believe, and vise versa. Creating multiple threads (yes I see what you did there) and bashing opinions is NOT what a healthy, ethical skeptic is about. Now putting all this crap aside to play your game, and create more excuses, maybe I, or anyone, really dont want that sort of attention. Especially when you have NO FUCKING CLUE HOW IT WORKS. http://psionslair.tk/index.php/telepathy-articles/33-philosophy/95-what-is-science-part-i.html No matter what I get for this post, I really hope that human's reach there full potential. with or without psi phenomena.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: bigmike7104]
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bigmike7104 said: that's kind of scary now that i think about it in that it probably means that our sense of self doesn't move on after death since it's located in the brain
Death anxiety is coming for bigmike
It was just a matter of time.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: Cups]
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i have death excitement.
srsly
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: g00ru]
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I've got a 44 you can borrow.
srsly
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: Cups]
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no physically killing yourself is a bad idea...better just to kill the mind while the body lives on
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: Cups]
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OK no more hijacking OCs thread. (my bad)
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: Cups]
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i dont have a problem with it
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: g00ru]
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better just to kill the mind while the body lives on
Ya man, just let the body live on. Well that is until it starts decomposing withing a few days.
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bigmike7104 said: that's kind of scary now that i think about it in that it probably means that our sense of self doesn't move on after death since it's located in the brain
Death anxiety is coming for bigmike
It was just a matter of time.

lol i'd be lying if i were to say i don't fear death at all.
but i don't think it's the fact that i won't be alive one day(who would want to be here for eternity?) but rather it's not knowing how we got here and not knowing what happens after we die.
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better just to kill the mind while the body lives on
Ya man, just let the body live on. Well that is until it starts decomposing withing a few days.
i mean while you're actually amongst the living. like, as in now.
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better just to kill the mind while the body lives on
Ya man, just let the body live on. Well that is until it starts decomposing withing a few days.
i mean while you're actually amongst the living. like, as in now.
Are you suggesting a completely ascetic or Buddhist approach to life?
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no, i'm suggesting residing as the observer of thoughts and letting the mind come to complete quiet. And staying that way for a little while (or permanently, although i haven't done that). You can do that without being an ascetic, although mentally it does require something of that attitude.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: g00ru]
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Once more for those who missed it among all the noise and blather. The sole reason the Randi Millions remain intact is because NO ONE CAN MANIPULATE REALITY in front of a well-trained audience. They can only do this in front of people who are predisposed to suspend disbelief.
Just fess up and we can close this thread. But noOOOooo, the excuses keep rolling in as one would expect with bullshit.
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more like the responses, which you are now failing to refute
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: g00ru]
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6 billion people, 20 years. The prize remains unclaimed.
Seriously, unless one is mentally ill, nothing more remains to be said.
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i think there's lots to be said
i know someone who altered physics with his head: Einstein. He totally changed our Physics, as I'm sure you know. Now, I know you're thinking he just discovered new laws about a pre-existing reality, but that reality isn't "physics," it's just some unspeakable, unfathomable existence. And, the thing is, that existence is....you! It's been you all along man. You are not separate from the laws of the universe. Think about it...isn't that really the most probable explanation for all this?
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: g00ru]
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No. Only an idiot would think other than the most probable explanation for billions of people failing to do something for BIG money is because they can not. All else is spin to keep one's puerile beliefs intact.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: g00ru]
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Why do you continue to make declarations like this?
Have you shown any philosophical justification for "sending vibes" and the usefulness of that? Unless this is a retreat to the ever-present "well if you believe it, it helps you" nonsense that has nothing particularly to do with the subject being discussed, I don't see any basis for this statement. Have I missed it? Have you offered some justification for this? Or is this just a testimonial?
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: johnm214]
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30 million orders for Xtenz penile enlargement pills must mean they work! There is no other explanation! 2 billion Muslims must be right about after-death virgins and stuff.
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u guys... 
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guruu said: many illnesses can be cured through placebo...imo, like depression and other problems that are pretty much spiritual in nature.
The mind does effect external reality. The mind does effect external reality. The mind does effect external reality. The mind does effect external reality. The mind does effect external reality. Learn this to be true grasshopper, it will carry you far.
How can you say that "curing" an illness within the body of the person taking the placebo is equivalent to manipulating external reality??? That is one of the most illogical and unfounded assertions that I have ever heard.
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i know someone who altered physics with his head: Einstein. He totally changed our Physics, as I'm sure you know. Now, I know you're thinking he just discovered new laws about a pre-existing reality, but that reality isn't "physics," it's just some unspeakable, unfathomable existence. And, the thing is, that existence is....you! It's been you all along man. You are not separate from the laws of the universe. Think about it...isn't that really the most probable explanation for all this?
What? Discovering something does not create, or change it. It only changes our understanding of it. I have no clue what the rest of your post is supposed to mean.
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Just fess up and we can close this thread. But noOOOooo, the excuses keep rolling in as one would expect with bullshit.
I have to agree with this.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: quinn]
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The money is in escrow.
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i can see why the Believers dont find u any fun
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: quinn]
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Ask former member sclorch and his young East Coast posse if they had a good time in Vegas when I hosted them a few years back.
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i heard you got them drunk and then took all their money in a poker game..?
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: soldatheero]
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How do you explain the placebo effect then?
How do you explain that the placebo effect has never restored an amputation?
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: Diploid]
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I am getting a strong feeling of deju vu...
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: Freedom]
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He was never the same after that vacation.
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Can we all at least agree theres shit out there we don't have a clue about? Psi or not psi. And with the way you bash people, it honestly invalidates your argument from my perspective. YOU asked why, people answered, and you go on to call me delusional. I don't agree or disagree with the other post. I gave my opinion. I don't want that money, I don't care for it, think what you want, just stop insulting people. Its uncalled for. Good bye thread.
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I think you're looking at this all wrong OC.
If I could manipulate the laws of physics with my mind...I'd be so fucking rich that 1 million wouldn't even by worth the phone call....or the publicity.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: Cups]
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Haha, good point.
Why take him up on his offer? I have nothing to prove, and after all, I can materialize money out of thin air. Why expose my powers?
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: NetDiver]
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Why expose my powers?
You mean like the gazillion mystic-heads who "expose their power" but only on YouTube and never in front of a trained observer who can't be fooled, like the JREF?
Like that, yeah?
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: Diploid] 1
#14243295 - 04/05/11 06:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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No, I mean like someone who doesn't seek any degree of notoriety, but only uses their powers secretly and undetected, to avoid the unwanted publicity and continue building their fortune.
I'm not arguing that such a person exists. I just think Cups hilariously refuted OC's post.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: NetDiver]
#14243308 - 04/05/11 06:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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If such people existed, it's pretty certain they'd use their powers at casinos. How better to anonymously make a fortune.
Only fly in that ointment is that casinos consistently perform EXACTLY the way random probability says they should.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: Diploid] 1
#14243324 - 04/05/11 06:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Why is that certain? You'd be likely to be detected there, too. Why not use your powers to find out the combination of any bank safe you want, or any random person's credit card information, etc? There's no need to be anything but anonymous.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: NetDiver]
#14243358 - 04/05/11 06:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bank safes, credit cards...come on Sammi!
Howz about corporate reports before filing dates. Now we're talking.
For me...it's like they say in the Wire. Follow the money.
If this stuff worked every big business on earth would recruit and pay these people.
Negotiations, strategic planning, product development, etc. Possibilities are endless.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: sickofit]
#14243483 - 04/05/11 06:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't want that money
I highly doubt that is true. Do you want things? Do you work for a paycheck?
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OrgoneConclusion said: Do you work for a paycheck?
He has great work ethic.
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Summation of this thread and the believer mindset:
If the Randi Millions gets claimed, it is solid evidence of the paranormal.
If the Randi Millions goes unclaimed, it is solid evidence of the paranormal.
This is the exact same thing with prayers being answered or unanswered. A neutral party can witness the amazing twisting of logic and the toruring of reason to make the facts 'fit'.
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Well, of course. That's what "unfalsifiable" means.
You can't prove it wrong... 
I don't actually believe in the paranormal.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: Poid]
#14243629 - 04/05/11 06:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: Do you work for a paycheck?
He has great work ethic. 
With your salary, you must be the most spiritual person here.
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True dat; wanna go to a sweat lodge with me?
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: Poid] 1
#14243788 - 04/05/11 07:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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You been in SF too long, little bro.
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You two in a sweat lodge? That's kinky!
Please send me the video.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: Diploid]
#14243821 - 04/05/11 07:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: NetDiver]
#14244330 - 04/05/11 08:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't want that money
I highly doubt that is true. Do you want things? Do you work for a paycheck?
It would be embarrassing because I, like everyone, do not know how it works. let alone do that sort of thing on demand under clinical circumstances (which I never claimed to be able to do psi phenomena at will to begin with) I do know its not empirical, nothing non-scientific about that response. Your guess is as good as mine. Besides I bet you did't even read any of the literature I offered on here as well as the pdf I attached to some of my post on this thread.
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Samurai Drifter said: Well, of course. That's what "unfalsifiable" means.
You can't prove it wrong... 
I mention Ad hominem, and unfalsifiable within this thread. Pastafarianism also. My logic is just as flawed as yours (to make a over generalization of skeptics like orgoneconclusioon has made over generalizations). We don't know shit about shit in shit.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: sickofit]
#14244341 - 04/05/11 08:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: sickofit]
#14246289 - 04/06/11 06:41 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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sickofit said: I gave my opinion. I don't want that money, I don't care for it, think what you want, just stop insulting people. Its uncalled for. Good bye thread.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: sickofit]
#14247265 - 04/06/11 12:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I mention Ad hominem, and unfalsifiable within this thread. Pastafarianism also. My logic is just as flawed as yours (to make a over generalization of skeptics like orgoneconclusioon has made over generalizations). We don't know shit about shit in shit.
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No, I'm pretty sure your logic is pretty clearly more worthless, for example, you provide none to back your claims, and then make a public display of announcing your intention to not even entertain challenges to your claims.
That we don't know shit has nothing to do with whether we can demonstrate relationships between things that will serve as useful models between phenomena and presumed premises. Your appeal to stupidity explictly contradicts your prior claims- you defeated yourself without even making it clear what percisely you were claiming: you can't assert a positive claim about the world and then defend criticism by an appeal to ignorance. Your the one who claimed shit, back it up.
Don't bother posting next time if this is the way you'll go about it.
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sickofit said: Can we all at least agree theres shit out there we don't have a clue about? Psi or not psi. And with the way you bash people, it honestly invalidates your argument from my perspective. YOU asked why, people answered, and you go on to call me delusional. I don't agree or disagree with the other post.
What does the manner of his discussion have to do with the validity of his points? Nothing, that's right, you're wrong.
Your incorrect and were criticized because you claimed shit you can't demonstrate. Your feelings of other members have nothing to do with anything: you failed to even make a prima facia case.
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I gave my opinion. I don't want that money, I don't care for it, think what you want, just stop insulting people. Its uncalled for. Good bye thread.
Oh, gee, I see you made this publically-declared exit from this thread once before. Then you made another one in your last posting here. How much more of this nonsense will we have to endure? If your not going to address the merits of the discussion then don't even bother. We can do without your announcements of your departure from the thread- especially considering you're even wrong about that.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: johnm214]
#14251892 - 04/07/11 07:52 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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guruu said: ahhh, you betray your ignorance 
Why do you continue to make declarations like this?
cause i know what i'm talking about, deal with it
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: g00ru]
#14256272 - 04/07/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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My question remains.
What does you knowing what your talking about have to do with anything? I see no relevance to the philosophical discussion that is the topic of this forum nor the topic of this thread.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: johnm214]
#14256408 - 04/07/11 11:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It has everything to do with everything pertaining to this thread. OC thinks changing the material universe using only your mind is impossible, and certain things he has said (like not "believing" in the subtle vibrations people send out) have revealed to me his strong materialist bias.
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Re: Why the Randi Millions remain unclaimed [Re: g00ru]
#14256702 - 04/08/11 12:52 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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So you would have me believe without evidence? How intelligent is that?
The sole reason the money is unclaimed is because people cannot manipulate reality except through ordinary means.
And yet, some non-thinkers here take that failure in stride and declare it means nothing. Of course abject failure means something. That would be like a non-producing gold mine pleasing the investors.
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