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Ŧhe reaction of the West to the Arab protests
#14226633 - 04/02/11 03:22 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.egalitereconciliation.com%2FSituation-en-Syrie-les-medias-francais-ne-vous-disent-pas-toute-la-verite-6007.html&act=url
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1) The demonstrators in Egypt did not wait for Obama, Sarkozy Press or to turn their movement since it was about 6 months that Egypt knew of the protest rallies against the government in place (even though all countries Western extolled the merits of Mubarak, which they said was one of the most respectable middle of the region). In Syria, we never saw or heard anything before the Western press and its officers, bring their so-called news on the issue. And so far, we have not seen anything firsthand about the opponents, apart from a few images on the Net, featuring at most a hundred protesters.
I believe this totally shows why the attitude of the west is failing when it comes to those protests. The 'types' of people that we were talking about in the other thread is exactly the same types of people who are put on top in those countries. Or they have to choose between 4 candidates with the same type of character thus very similar policies put in place
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Re: Ŧhe reaction of the West to the Arab protests [Re: communeart]
#14227411 - 04/02/11 06:05 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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communeart said: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.egalitereconciliation.com%2FSituation-en-Syrie-les-medias-francais-ne-vous-disent-pas-toute-la-verite-6007.html&act=url
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1) The demonstrators in Egypt did not wait for Obama, Sarkozy Press or to turn their movement since it was about 6 months that Egypt knew of the protest rallies against the government in place (even though all countries Western extolled the merits of Mubarak, which they said was one of the most respectable middle of the region). In Syria, we never saw or heard anything before the Western press and its officers, bring their so-called news on the issue. And so far, we have not seen anything firsthand about the opponents, apart from a few images on the Net, featuring at most a hundred protesters.
I believe this totally shows why the attitude of the west is failing when it comes to those protests. The 'types' of people that we were talking about in the other thread is exactly the same types of people who are put on top in those countries. Or they have to choose between 4 candidates with the same type of character thus very similar policies put in place
Neither that article nor your analysis is comprehensible for most English speakers. How can an "attitude" fail?
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Re: Ŧhe reaction of the West to the Arab protests [Re: zappaisgod]
#14228899 - 04/02/11 11:09 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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i'm just too high to go on man.
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Re: Ŧhe reaction of the West to the Arab protests [Re: communeart]
#14229089 - 04/02/11 11:46 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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In my experience, "the west" generally has no fucking clue what's actually going on.
The protests are diverse, yet most people i have heard talking about them paint them all with the same brush.
"oust the dictators! raaaah" - is the extent of what most westerners i have encountered know about any of them.
Mostly just typical western superficiality.
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Re: Ŧhe reaction of the West to the Arab protests [Re: communeart]
#14230432 - 04/03/11 09:52 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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communeart said: i'm just too high to go on man.
It happens.
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Re: Ŧhe reaction of the West to the Arab protests [Re: Shins]
#14231668 - 04/03/11 03:40 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shins said: In my experience, "the west" generally has no fucking clue what's actually going on.
The protests are diverse, yet most people i have heard talking about them paint them all with the same brush.
"oust the dictators! raaaah" - is the extent of what most westerners i have encountered know about any of them.
Mostly just typical western superficiality.
What's the point? I would assume most people are unfamiliar with the feelings and political leanings of citezins in foreign countries concerning foreign politics- especially those in large somewhat geographically isolated countries like the US.
This is probably a good reason why the state department isn't democratically controlled.
Kinda seems like a moot point.
(unless your leading into some grav-style argument that the US is especially duplicitous and its citezins especially uninformed, which I've never seen any evidence of: that kinda thing seems to be a favorite argument of some people, but I'm not so sure what the point of that is, either, other than a means to express anti-american opinion without a solid basis)
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Re: Ŧhe reaction of the West to the Arab protests [Re: johnm214]
#14234813 - 04/04/11 04:52 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Ŧhe reaction of the West to the Arab protests [Re: akira_akuma]
#14243160 - 04/05/11 05:37 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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so we stay out of a country's affairs, they get pissed at us. we try to stop a massacre from happening, they get pissed at us. for some reason i can't help but see a pattern here....
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Re: Ŧhe reaction of the West to the Arab protests [Re: millzy]
#14243365 - 04/05/11 06:11 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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millzy said: so we stay out of a country's affairs, they get pissed at us. we try to stop a massacre from happening, they get pissed at us. for some reason i can't help but see a pattern here....
You are highly astute. Let's stop trying to be friends with monsters and just get to the business of fucking their shit up as a matter of course.
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Re: Ŧhe reaction of the West to the Arab protests [Re: millzy]
#14243758 - 04/05/11 07:12 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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millzy said: so we stay out of a country's affairs, they get pissed at us. we try to stop a massacre from happening, they get pissed at us. for some reason i can't help but see a pattern here....
Since when was libya pissed at us?
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Re: Ŧhe reaction of the West to the Arab protests [Re: Shins]
#14244120 - 04/05/11 08:14 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Since when was libya pissed at us?
they did terrorist attacks against U.S. soldiers. it was a state that funded terrorism for real.
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Re: Ŧhe reaction of the West to the Arab protests [Re: zappaisgod]
#14244781 - 04/05/11 09:53 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
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millzy said: so we stay out of a country's affairs, they get pissed at us. we try to stop a massacre from happening, they get pissed at us. for some reason i can't help but see a pattern here....
You are highly astute. Let's stop trying to be friends with monsters and just get to the business of fucking their shit up as a matter of course.
i wasn't suggesting war. it just seems that amidst the poverty and desperation that arab despotism creates, it's easy for the people to blame america/"the west" for everything. that's not to say that we don't deserve some of that blame, but in this particular situation, man fuck, what exactly is the right move? i'm honestly asking here.
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