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Ronan man accused of giving drugs to teenage girls
    #14226284 - 04/02/11 01:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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A Ronan man pleaded innocent in District Court Wednesday to three counts of criminal distribution of dangerous drugs on or near school property.

Leonard Irvine, the 56-year-old Ronan man, is accused of providing drugs, alcohol and cigarettes to teenage girls, who he allegedly knew to be under 18 years of age.

Each of the three felony counts that Irvine is charged with carries a maximum sentence of life in prison. He also faces a lesser charge, criminal possession of dangerous drugs, which carries a maximum of five years in prison.

According to court documents, the Lake County Sheriff’s Department initiated their investigation into Irvine last summer, after receiving a tip from the school’s principal. The principal reported that he had received multiple complaints from parents about Irvine, who allegedly allowed female students to visit his house during school hours.

School Resource Officer, Jay Gilhouse, monitored Irvine’s residence, which is less than 500 feet from Ronan High School, and observed girls entering and exiting during their lunch periods, the document states.

After obtaining a warrant, Gilhouse, with the assistance of Tribal Police, searched Irvine’s residence. They discovered evidence of drug use including needles, spoons with white powder residue, multiple prescription drug containers, mirrors and razor blades.

When the defendant was interviewed, he allegedly admitted to having prescriptions for numerous drugs and narcotics and admitted that he is addicted to methamphetamines.

He also allegedly told police that he allowed his teenage visitors to snort crushed Lortabs. When asked by police if he was exchanging the pills for sexual favors, Irvine said, “I told ‘em if you want the pills, all you gotta do is ask. I got ‘em.”

Judge C.B. McNeil kept Irvine’s bond at $500,000 and set a trial for August 15. In addition to jail time, Irvine faces a $50,000 fine on each of the three felony counts and the lesser charge.

Detective Rick Lenz, who took over the case for Gilhouse, said that the investigation is ongoing and that additional charges may be filed in the future.

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Re: Ronan man accused of giving drugs to teenage girls [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14226344 - 04/02/11 02:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Leonard Irvine, the 56-year-old Ronan man, is accused of providing drugs, alcohol and cigarettes to teenage girls, who he allegedly knew to be under 18 years of age.

Each of the three felony counts that Irvine is charged with carries a maximum sentence of life in prison. He also faces a lesser charge, criminal possession of dangerous drugs, which carries a maximum of five years in prison.




LOL WHAT?  Man that's way beyond insane.

Things are becoming beyond ridiculous.  They should just start executing people in the streets for jaywalking.


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Re: Ronan man accused of giving drugs to teenage girls [Re: Humility]
    #14226437 - 04/02/11 02:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

While I agree that things are getting ridiculous, a 56 year old man giving/selling drugs to underage teenage girls is on a whole different level than jaywalking. That's like comparing Godzilla to the Geico gecko. Different monsters.

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Re: Ronan man accused of giving drugs to teenage girls [Re: AUX] * 1
    #14226558 - 04/02/11 03:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

How about selling alcohol or cigarettes to "underage" girls?  What about cars?

Life is dangerous.  People make their own decisions and should take responsibility for them.

Commerce shouldn't be illegal and is not a natural crime.  He engaged in consensual interaction with some other human beings and is facing being locked in a box for the rest of his life for it.

There is only one aggressor here.


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Re: Ronan man accused of giving drugs to teenage girls [Re: AUX]
    #14226565 - 04/02/11 03:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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While I agree that things are getting ridiculous, a 56 year old man giving/selling drugs to underage teenage girls is on a whole different level than jaywalking. That's like comparing Godzilla to the Geico gecko. Different monsters.





ya, that guy was prob a sicko...

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Re: Ronan man accused of giving drugs to teenage girls [Re: Humility]
    #14226910 - 04/02/11 04:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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How about selling alcohol or cigarettes to "underage" girls?  What about cars?

Life is dangerous.  People make their own decisions and should take responsibility for them.

Commerce shouldn't be illegal and is not a natural crime.  He engaged in consensual interaction with some other human beings and is facing being locked in a box for the rest of his life for it.

There is only one aggressor here.




The crime isn't commerce, the crime is taking advantage of the young and naive. He was probably getting sexual favors as well, considering he was mostly selling to teenage female customers who more likely than not lacked a reliable income. High school girls are really easy to manipulate, I've gotten a blowjob for introducing myself and turning on some awesome music. A 56 year old man should know better than to be fucking around with high school girls like that. I hope getting some young pussy was worth it to him, because he's gonna be playing the girl from now on.

Edit: It is people like this that give the "protect our children!" argument strength, not that I support that argument. Even if drugs are completely legal, a 56 year old man still shouldn't be giving them to teenage girls. You know this isn't about the drugs, it is about the relationships between someone who is probably a creepy old man and some young girls.

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Re: Ronan man accused of giving drugs to teenage girls [Re: AUX]
    #14226944 - 04/02/11 04:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

^It would be another person giving it to them if it wasn't him.

The girls wanted something, had a door to have it, they took it.

If the guy didn't do the job, they would have found somebody else.


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Re: Ronan man accused of giving drugs to teenage girls [Re: Simplepowa] * 1
    #14227179 - 04/02/11 05:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You're obviously emotionally invested in this and it's clouding your judgment.  I'll take it easy on you for that reason.  Lets point out some facts though, shall we?



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The crime isn't commerce, the crime is taking advantage of the young and naive.




Come on man, seriously?  I was going to leave it at that but I really should continue.  Government schooling, the military draft, legal minimums on age to work requirements and limits on how many hours "minors" can work; terrible foster care system that's well known for abuse and an even worse "child protection services" industry that's well known for the dirt they do.

No one abuses and takes advantage of "minors" in America more than the government.  For what its worth the government tends to victimize everyone pretty much equally.

At least this man's interaction with these "minors" (as written here) was consensual.  They came to HIS house regularly lol, of their own volition.

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He was probably getting sexual favors as well, considering he was mostly selling to teenage female customers who more likely than not lacked a reliable income.




This is the antithesis of what he states and there are currently no claims to the contrary.  Even if a "sex for drugs" transaction was taking place, it was (again) a consensual transaction.  This is however a moot point because we obviously have different ideas on what is consent and what a person may consent to (lol) and at what ages they may consent to what specific scenarios (lol).  For the record, I believe from the day a person is capable of articulating their wants and desires their sovereignty should be respected as should their requests regarding their own body and property.

I hope getting some young pussy was worth it to him, because he's gonna be playing the girl from now on.




That's not how prison works.  You think people in prison don't fiend over young pussy?  Consensual sex is consensual sex.  Non-consensual sex (raping a woman or a child), abusing a minor (having sex with someone less than 13-14) and physical assault on a minor or women are what you're thinking of. 

It's pretty disgusting however that you're so blinded by your bias about what other people ought to be doing with other people consensually that you'd argue that a man be arrested under threat of death and then locked into a box where you hope someone will non-consensually physically assault and sexually abuse him.  If I were you I'd start untying those knots RIGHT NOW because that kind of anger and frustration at something that isn't any of your business is bound to get you into spiritual trouble.


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Even if drugs are completely legal, a 56 year old man still shouldn't be giving them to teenage girls. You know this isn't about the drugs, it is about the relationships between someone who is probably a creepy old man and some young girls.




Can't you understand how subjective what you're saying is?  What you're describing, right now, is EXACTLY the process many cultural groups all over the world have used, and still do use to handle marriage.

You want things to be one way but it's the other.  And you're willing to hurt people who won't ascent or acquiesce to your demands.


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Re: Ronan man accused of giving drugs to teenage girls [Re: AUX]
    #14227197 - 04/02/11 05:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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AUX said:
Quote:

Humility said:
How about selling alcohol or cigarettes to "underage" girls?  What about cars?

Life is dangerous.  People make their own decisions and should take responsibility for them.

Commerce shouldn't be illegal and is not a natural crime.  He engaged in consensual interaction with some other human beings and is facing being locked in a box for the rest of his life for it.

There is only one aggressor here.




The crime isn't commerce, the crime is taking advantage of the young and naive. He was probably getting sexual favors as well, considering he was mostly selling to teenage female customers who more likely than not lacked a reliable income. High school girls are really easy to manipulate, I've gotten a blowjob for introducing myself and turning on some awesome music. A 56 year old man should know better than to be fucking around with high school girls like that. I hope getting some young pussy was worth it to him, because he's gonna be playing the girl from now on.

Edit: It is people like this that give the "protect our children!" argument strength, not that I support that argument. Even if drugs are completely legal, a 56 year old man still shouldn't be giving them to teenage girls. You know this isn't about the drugs, it is about the relationships between someone who is probably a creepy old man and some young girls.






I think Humility's point is spot the fuck on.


Look at your argument AUX. After the first sentence....you literally starting making all your points based on possibilities. You keep making the worst case scenario assumptions, without a real reason to. The article really gives us NO information. All we get is what police report, and some sort of basic setup of older drug addict get high school girls high. While MAYBE what your assuming could have happened, it is just as likely that the high school girls in question lead the 56 year old man on to get drugs. Is that any less plausible? Hot ass 16 year old girls teasing some 53 tear old meth head into giving them pills? what makes you think the 16 year olds are even fucking the guy, they would get much more out of him if they drive him up the fucking wall wishing for some action.

Humility is right. As far as any of us could possibly know, at all, is that a 56 year old gave some kids prescription pills, and he is facing life for it. There is something fucked up about that, that with no real information at all on the case, before we go to trial and hear a fucking word, that's how far we go. That is fucked!

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Re: Ronan man accused of giving drugs to teenage girls [Re: Simplepowa]
    #14227330 - 04/02/11 05:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Like I said my problem isn't with the commerce aspect. My issue is with the older guy selling drugs specifically to girls young enough to be his daughters or maybe even granddaughters and letting them snort the drugs in his apartment. It's a very grey area that is largely based on the man's intentions. If he was just trying to put food on his table, then he is just another victim to the drug war, but if he was selling addictive drugs to my underage daughter, I'd go to his house myself and beat the shit out of him anyway. Is that the just response? Plus, I'm willing to bet that he had an ulterior motive for making the drugs available to these high school girls. However, I DO think life in prison is an absolutely ridiculous punishment for this man, I'm sorry that I failed to articulate that earlier.

Ok, so we don't have all the facts. But Humility was also assuming that the man did nothing other than sell the girls drugs, which we also can't be sure of. According to your logic, he would also be wrong to say that the man doesn't deserve punishment because we don't have all of the facts. I am simply stating how I feel about the case based on what this man's actions were. If he was just selling the girls drugs, he is another victim of the crime war. If there was more going on, he deserves punishment, although not to the extent that he is being punished. Also as far as any of us can know, he could've been trading sex for pills. Like you said, we don't have all of the facts and the situation could have many different aspects to it.

edit: Humility, you are bringing up things like the military draft and foster care as though you know my stance on them. Those aren't the things I'm talking about and are completely irrelevant to the discussion. Yes, the government takes advantage of minors and yes, it is wrong. I agree that there are many aspects of our justice system that need change. I don't think this man should be locked in the box for the rest of his life, and I'm not wishing rape on him, but he is probably going to spend some quality time as a big guy's girlfriend because that is not uncommon in prison. If his only crime is selling drugs, then I agree that he shouldn't be imprisoned. However, a man sleeping with a girl who is much much younger than his own age is wrong. You talk a lot about how everyone should have freedom of choice, but then you bring up other cultures that force very young women to marry old men, where they are pretty much slaves to those old men. I think that it is your judgement that is clouded, my friend.

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Re: Ronan man accused of giving drugs to teenage girls [Re: AUX]
    #14228214 - 04/02/11 08:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Would your reaction be as strong if the guy sold drugs to an underage dude? I did a lot of drugs when I was 15 and onward and I bought them from a lot of people who were older than me. At the time when I was buying them I never really saw it as a problem... I was a kid who wanted to get high and was going to get high one way or another.

I had female friends who also did/bought drugs from older people back in highschool... most of the people I bought from were generally decent human beings. Nobody ever had sex with them, we were just highschool kids who wanted to get high. That's what highschool kids do... and they'll buy drugs from wherever they can.

I don't know, it's easy to jump to conclusions... i'm not saying it's not impossible the guy had other things on his mind. There's really no reason to assume that from this story though...

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Re: Ronan man accused of giving drugs to teenage girls [Re: Subconscious]
    #14228256 - 04/02/11 08:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

He might have just enjoyed looking at some young eye candy in his house.  I don't see any problem as long as nothing physical happened, because as someone pointed out earlier they would have just found someone else to provide the stuff if he didn't.  Also, he did kind of imply that he was giving them stuff for free.

That being said, I also don't feel very sorry for the guy since it was extremely stupid of him to let those girls walk over from school during their lunch time to get the stuff.  I don't agree with the laws at all but its not that hard to keep from getting caught.


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Re: Ronan man accused of giving drugs to teenage girls [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14230049 - 04/03/11 06:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

im with humility on this one im 19 and i know 16 year old girls these days and the scenario of these girls manipulating this older guy with there body is alot more likely than them fucking him for some pills plus aux seems like he has a daughter around that age which clouds his judgment in the case but can u blame him id get a little hot headed to at the thought of some 56 year old dude trading sex for pills with my daughter but i just dont think thats the case here young girls are the best con artist i mean have u ever seen the way they play with young boys minds lol

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Re: Ronan man accused of giving drugs to teenage girls [Re: AUX]
    #14230143 - 04/03/11 08:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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...if he was selling addictive drugs to my underage daughter, I'd go to his house myself and beat the shit out of him anyway. Is that the just response?




i think you would be better off talking to your daughter about her drug use, not the dealer.


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    #14231378 - 04/03/11 02:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I feel like you are all under the impression that I think this guy belongs in jail for selling drugs. What I am saying is that if he was fucking around sexually with underage girls—which could or could not be true seeing as we don't all of the information—he should go to jail. Simple as that.

I don't have a daughter, I was talking about a hypothetical daughter.

I don't care if he is selling drugs to a 15 year old boy, just like I don't care if he is selling drugs to a 15 year old girl. But if that boy is sucking his dick for those drugs, I do have a problem with that.

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Re: Ronan man accused of giving drugs to teenage girls [Re: AUX]
    #14231441 - 04/03/11 02:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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But if that boy is sucking his dick for those drugs, I do have a problem with that.




How is it any of your business if its consensual?


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Re: Ronan man accused of giving drugs to teenage girls [Re: AUX]
    #14231501 - 04/03/11 03:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If the girls were 13 you would have a point, but by the time they are 16 they should be able to make their own decisions.

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    #14231581 - 04/03/11 03:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Alan - A 13 year old person lies below the arbitrary age that defines when their will may decide the course of their lives? [outside of forces of nature and those who don't abide their (13 yo's) wishes to self and property]

13 year olds can't consent to sex?  What other behaviors or situations similarly fall into this category?  Driving?  Drinking?  Smoking?  Dancing friskily?  What about hardcore grinding situations wherein there is no contact but both parties become fully aroused?  Firing firearms?

Or are you merely discussing morals and not legislation?


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Re: Ronan man accused of giving drugs to teenage girls [Re: Humility]
    #14231636 - 04/03/11 03:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Alan - A 13 year old person lies below the arbitrary age that defines when their will may decide the course of their lives? [outside of forces of nature and those who don't abide their (13 yo's) wishes to self and property]




Yea something like that.  At some age people don't really know what they are doing and are generally just being taken advantage of, at the expense of having a healthy sex life when they are older.

But by 16 or so people should be able to make their own decisions.

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