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OfflineGratefulDread
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Pan Cyans on Popcorn?
    #1422577 - 04/02/03 08:41 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Every Tek I've seen for Pan Cyans involves a bulk substrate but I was wondering if it's possible to get them to fruit on straight popcorn. I have no experience with Pans so I was wondering if anyone else has fruited them on cased grains. Can anyone with experience with them help me out?


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Re: Pan Cyans on Popcorn? [Re: GratefulDread]
    #1422700 - 04/02/03 11:07 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I don't believe you would get a flush signifigant enough to consider a harvest, if they did fruit at all. Pans are a bit pickier than cubes, you'll probably need a straw or dung based substrate.


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Re: Pan Cyans on Popcorn? [Re: Raadt]
    #1422853 - 04/02/03 12:19 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks Raadt. I'll use straw but I think I'll do one jar without either just to try it out.


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Re: Pan Cyans on Popcorn? [Re: GratefulDread]
    #1422856 - 04/02/03 12:22 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

i dont think pans will fruit without dung either in the substrate or in the casing layer.


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Re: Pan Cyans on Popcorn? [Re: the spiral]
    #1422964 - 04/02/03 01:13 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I have fruited them on straw alone.


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Re: Pan Cyans on Popcorn? [Re: Raadt]
    #1423063 - 04/02/03 02:11 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

i stand corrected :smile: 


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Re: Pan Cyans on Popcorn? [Re: the spiral]
    #1429603 - 04/04/03 07:40 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

i have never tried such a feat.. but does anyone think they might be able to fruit on wild birdseed.. after all, it is very lignin-rich


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Re: Pan Cyans on Popcorn? [Re: GratefulDread]
    #1436962 - 04/07/03 07:38 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Cow manure is the best single ingredient substrate for all the Copelandias.

There is nothing better for resistance to contamination, yield, and ability to achieve yield in shallow substrate layers.

Rye grain > bird seed both yield extremely small mature mushrooms.

If you can find cow manure USE IT.



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Re: Pan Cyans on Popcorn? [Re: ]
    #1439796 - 04/08/03 05:26 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Is horse manure much different?

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Re: Pan Cyans on Popcorn? [Re: Dim]
    #1439805 - 04/08/03 05:30 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

It's possible to fruit them without the necessary ingredients (straw or dung), but barely. I've seen pics of pans from cakes, or cased grains, but we're talking about one or two fruits, and inconsistent results at that. So if you are talking about absolute statements, pans can be grown without casing layers and without dung or straw. If you are talking about growing enough for at least a single trip, you need straw or poo and a casing layer.


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Re: Pan Cyans on Popcorn? [Re: mycofile]
    #1440140 - 04/08/03 07:25 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Anyone have luck with Pan Cyans on mycotapro compost?


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Re: Pan Cyans on Popcorn? [Re: psyphon]
    #1440314 - 04/08/03 08:25 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Cow manure is better for pans/cops. At least in my Experience.


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Re: Pan Cyans on Popcorn? [Re: mycofile]
    #1440373 - 04/08/03 08:41 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

The cambodian strain of Copelandia cyanescens in circulation fruits wall to wall on straight rye grain, they just don't get LARGE. Wall to wall flushes with 100+ shrooms yielding about 1-2 grams dry. Shroom size is 1-3 inch tall with caps under 1/4 inch(usually about 1/8 inch)

1 inch substrate layer in a 8" x 8" brownie pan, cased with peat:perlite at less then 1/4 inch.

I agree. THE USE of Manure or manure straw DRASTICALLY increases yield(approx. 7-14 times the yield) and decreases contamination rate, speed to flush, and just about everything else.







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Re: Pan Cyans on Popcorn? [Re: ]
    #1444494 - 04/09/03 10:19 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

When you say peat:perlite do you mean a seed starting mixture composed mainly of that? Because I can get something similar except it has some pumice in there as well as some vermicullite. It is mostly peat though..
Also the wall to wall thing... I 've seen it happen when I did'nt use a casing. Do you think if I did a casing I'd get LARGER fruits?


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Re: Pan Cyans on Popcorn? [Re: kingkc]
    #1450788 - 04/11/03 09:35 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Size of copelandias are Strain dependent first.

Usually small fruits are associated with Excessive humidity(moisture) without the Air exchange to compensate for the wetness.

I just use bagged peat and bagged perlite or vermiculite and mix them myself.

Colonize substrate completely, wait 24 hours. Case with 1/4 inch or less of casing soil. Bring up to field capacity by lightly misting if neccessary. Let it incubate in the dark for 24-48 hours, and place in fruiting chamber. Avoid misting !! Wait till day 5 from casing, and start fanning at least once a day manually. When the first pin forms I usually stop fanning for 24-48 hours until Many pins form. Then start fanning at least 1 time a day manually.

I prefer a small tray. I have seen no advantage to using trays deeper then 3 inches with Copelandias. Yields are actually reduced in bulk, relative to efficiency of smaller trays.



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Re: Pan Cyans on Popcorn? [Re: JssMthrFcknChrst]
    #1456836 - 04/14/03 01:00 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

pan cyans on mycota pro   :laugh:  btw, this was my first try with pans, and i was happily surprised: the fruits turned out farly large, the ones in the pics are in the 5-6" (high) range, taller than the cubes i had growing at the same time.  :laugh:


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Re: Pan Cyans on Popcorn? [Re: comario2]
    #1456843 - 04/14/03 01:03 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

sweet.... :grin:


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Re: Pan Cyans on Popcorn? [Re: JssMthrFcknChrst]
    #1470692 - 04/18/03 04:44 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

What sort of casing material did you use on the nice flush there?


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Re: Pan Cyans on Popcorn? [Re: kingkc]
    #1678817 - 07/02/03 03:21 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry for shoveling this old post up...,

Teonan. Next to commercial pan producers in Holland, probably you and Millet are the biggest whiz-kids on my block. I've grown pans in the past, and only two times have I had pans that grew into what I would deam a perfect pan mushroom. That is, about 7" tall, with caps that actually opened up and dropped spores after spreading a massive 3/4 to 1" in diameter (actually had a 2" diameter Cambodgienesis). Funny thing is that most of the time, my pans grow smaller than 2" and have tiny caps that invert themselves and are only 1/8" in diameter, and never drop spores, and I hate those pans... I'm tired of people, who have probably never even grown a pan before, saying that "perhaps they're not getting enough fresh oxygen, or the humidity is too high". I have an Antonius setup with a hepa filtered fan that brings in tons of fresh oxygen, and a hepa ultra sonic humidifier, both running simultaneously 12 times a day, or 7 minutes on every other hour.... Lots of fresh air, air currents, and humidity at around 85-90%. Zero stagnation.


My question for any pan guru is this. What are the pitfalls and solutions that allow/prevent consistent flushes of perfect specimens, given ideal humidity, temperature, lighting, and oxygen concentration. As specific as possible, I'm wanting to learn how you maintain and monitor your casing's moisture level on manure based substrates through the mushroom cycle in terms of amount of mistings and time frame for mistings.

Perhaps its best fit to explain what exactly I have been doing. To begin with, I have made 3 batches of my own phase I/II compost from donkey manure, straw, and vermiculite over the past 2 years. Kind of like mushroom growing, quality composting, errr actinomycete cultivation, takes some practice and work... After phase II composting and pasteurization, the compost is nearly light gray with actinomycetes, and after it is spawned with pan mycelium, it is fully colonized in a matter of days. I have always been consistent in achieving the moisture content and high quality of colonization without contaminations in all my composts, so I don't think my problem is here.

After 100% colonization of substrate, I case with 50% peat and 50% vermiculite, always sterilized, and pH tested, and just 1/4" deep.
What patterns of misting should I practice from this point? On a timeline between when you apply the casing, to when you uncover the casing in the fruiting chamber, to when you have pins, to when you pick mushrooms, to when you start your 2nd flush cycle, would you say the moisture content of your casing is at each point? Is there a particular point at which misting should be avoided?

After reading your post Teonan, it sounds like you apply your casing, and immediately mist it to field capacity (100% saturation?) and between that and mushrooms, you never mist again. Damn me if it's that easy!

Thanks in advance, and I hope this helps more than just me.

Thanks & Peace.
Terrazza




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Re: Pan Cyans on Popcorn? [Re: Terrazza]
    #1691464 - 07/07/03 12:07 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry to see no reply.., so I thought I'd play some bump bump with yall.  :smile:


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