Home | Community | Message Board

MagicBag Grow Bags
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Concentrates   PhytoExtractum Kratom Powder for Sale   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies

Jump to first unread post Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | Next >  [ show all ]
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
Invisiblearis
Feline Bovine


Registered: 07/20/10
Posts: 715
Loc: dl
Re: AC DC Winch Power? [Re: Chad1]
    #14158530 - 03/21/11 09:46 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You can just plug this one into an ordinary plug. 

Its a hoist instead of a winch.  It goes both ways. 16-30 ft per min

It has auto turnoffs and better braking control then other "discovered" alternatives.  Rated for lifting loads not pulling loads.

Grizzly H0778 Electric Hoist - 3/4 HP 110V
http://cdn5.grizzly.com/manuals/h0778_m.pdf


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRogerRabbitM
Bans for Pleasure
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/26/03
Posts: 42,214
Loc: Seattle
Last seen: 1 year, 12 days
Trusted Cultivator
OG Cultivator
Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas (moved) [Re: aris]
    #14158958 - 03/21/11 12:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

aris said:
I plan to heat the water in the barrel.  Not sure if its faster to add straw after desired heat is obtained.  People seem to agree that total submersion allows even temps.





You need to either soak the straw in soapy water for 2 hours or soak in normal water for 24 hours to hydrate the straw before heating.  It's easier to add the dry, shredded straw to the barrel and then fill it up with water.  I always do this the day before pasteurizing so it has time to soak.  If you need to run a batch every day, simply get two barrels and slide your burner back and forth between them.
RR


--------------------
Download Let's Grow Mushrooms



semper in excretia sumus solim profundum variat

"I've never had a failed experiment.  I've only discovered 10,000 methods which do not work."
Thomas Edison

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblearis
Feline Bovine


Registered: 07/20/10
Posts: 715
Loc: dl
Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas (moved) [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #14158960 - 03/21/11 12:01 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

PitcherCrab said:
For burners...

This is the one I've got ... 210,000+ BTU burner: http://www.bayouclassicdepot.com/kab4_banjo_burner.htm
...
Mine works quite well, I've gotta say. Great customer service as well. I had a problem with an o-ring in part of mine, and they sent me a whole new burner no questions asked.




I'm sold on this thing.... ordered it today with that 3/4 hp hoist and a SS 19" compost thermometer.

A barrel is around 3' tall. 19-20" was the longest non digital probe I could find.  I won't be able to tell the temp in the bottom. 

Quote:

RogerRabbit said:
You need to either soak the straw in soapy water for 2 hours or soak in normal water for 24 hours to hydrate the straw before heating.  It's easier to add the dry, shredded straw to the barrel and then fill it up with water.  I always do this the day before pasteurizing so it has time to soak.  If you need to run a batch every day, simply get two barrels and slide your burner back and forth between them.
RR




Can I load a basket of leeched/soaked straw into barrel, fill with water, bring the straw and water to 140`-180` for 90min? 

Or, Do I need to load leeched/soaked basket of straw into barrel, add fresh water,  remove straw basket after water is full(thus preventing accidental overflow), heat and stir up water to 180` then add filled soaked straw basket for 90min while maintaining top temp over 150` less than 180`?

Should I forget about the lime?  Has anyone figured out a good way to neutralize it?  I remember an inconclusive thread...

Edited by aris (03/21/11 12:06 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePitcherCrab
Crescent Fresh
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 12/02/06
Posts: 2,446
Loc: The bottom of the sea.
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas (moved) [Re: aris]
    #14164539 - 03/22/11 01:04 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It looks like everything's coming together! I can't wait to see the grows you're gonna do with this setup!


--------------------
PC's LAGM 2021 (TOC & TWC)
P. natalensis Growlog 2021
Pans for PC Fall 2021 Growlog

“I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.” - Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRogerRabbitM
Bans for Pleasure
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/26/03
Posts: 42,214
Loc: Seattle
Last seen: 1 year, 12 days
Trusted Cultivator
OG Cultivator
Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas (moved) [Re: aris]
    #14167337 - 03/22/11 10:32 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

aris said:

Can I load a basket of leeched/soaked straw into barrel, fill with water, bring the straw and water to 140`-180` for 90min? 

Or, Do I need to load leeched/soaked basket of straw into barrel, add fresh water,  remove straw basket after water is full(thus preventing accidental overflow), heat and stir up water to 180` then add filled soaked straw basket for 90min while maintaining top temp over 150` less than 180`?

Should I forget about the lime?  Has anyone figured out a good way to neutralize it?  I remember an inconclusive thread...




Lime is optional.  I don't use it any more because I dump my pasteurization water out on the ground, and our ground is already basic enough without liming it.

I usually just soak the straw in the same barrel I'm going to heat up to pasteurize in.  However, you can soak in a different barrel and then transfer the straw to it.  Put the straw in cool water and then start the heat.  This ensures it's all the same temp.  Keep it between 140F and 160F for 90 minutes.  After the time is up, I just shut off the burner and let it cool naturally, dumping the straw out an hour or two later.
RR


--------------------
Download Let's Grow Mushrooms



semper in excretia sumus solim profundum variat

"I've never had a failed experiment.  I've only discovered 10,000 methods which do not work."
Thomas Edison

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineHumility
Working on it
 User Gallery


Registered: 10/07/08
Posts: 6,745
Last seen: 7 years, 10 days
Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas (moved) [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14167481 - 03/22/11 11:05 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

That pulley is boss.  Nothing like work-saving tools.

What are you using as a container for straw that requires the pulley?  Chicken wire?  Hardware cloth?  You mention that it's a "basket" but what's the material?

I was trying to find some hardware cloth but couldn't at any of the major home improvement stores.  I went to target and bought a set of 3 laundry bags for like 10 bucks.

The three of them currently suffice but I'm going to have to upgrad this portion of my setup soon.





BROTHER! WHERE exactly did you find the 19" thermometer?  I have been looking for one on Amazon and I couldn't find it.

Gonna try looking at various places under "compost thermometer"

Edit: I should prolly specify that I wanted to find one that's straight, not one with the round metal disc on it that reads numbers.

The ones with the round disc use some metal that is temperature sensitive and coils or uncoils depending on temp.


--------------------

Edited by Humility (03/22/11 11:08 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblearis
Feline Bovine


Registered: 07/20/10
Posts: 715
Loc: dl
Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas (moved) [Re: Humility]
    #14168561 - 03/23/11 06:35 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Humility said:
That pulley is boss.  Nothing like work-saving tools.

What are you using as a container for straw that requires the pulley?  Chicken wire?  Hardware cloth?  You mention that it's a "basket" but what's the material?
...
Gonna try looking at various places under "compost thermometer"

Edit: I should prolly specify that I wanted to find one that's straight, not one with the round metal disc on it that reads numbers.





28"x50' garden fence was enough for about 4 double thick baskets $20

that 28" measurement was perfect for my 34" deep barrel.
I might need to add a loop of window screening.  Fiberglass or aluminum.



$3 ... 3 per package plus the handy hoops work for basket loops

brown paint .... now it will never rust :/


this stainless is wayyyyyyyyyyyy overkill @ 53c per foot.  You could use much cheaper cable but not with the clamps I found.  They had no load ratings (despte being on the rack with items by the same company that did have load limits???  Anyways clamps for smaller diameter wire looked weak even if the wire would of held.


The thermometer I found deep in the amazon jungle sounds like what your describing .. like a 19" meat thermometer.  Deep frier thermometers go up to 800` so i would think they were harder to read then one of these "compost" thermometers that only go up to 250`ish.

The kind you describe with expansion and contraction seems to be the way to go.

Dont trust the electronic cheap temp, bbq, humidity or weather station sensors... they are junk.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblearis
Feline Bovine


Registered: 07/20/10
Posts: 715
Loc: dl
Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas [Re: aris]
    #14174576 - 03/24/11 08:21 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

[

It would be great if I could find a temporary way to pseudo insulate this zone 5 space and convert it to a usable 9x30ish room for the winter.

I'm nervous about flooding thoughout all the land near me... but the great outdoors will have to do.  I need to track down a good book about farmers insurance.

humid:thumbup:
underwater:thumbdown:

Edited by aris (04/03/11 05:35 AM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblearis
Feline Bovine


Registered: 07/20/10
Posts: 715
Loc: dl
Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas [Re: aris]
    #14225341 - 04/02/11 10:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The hoist arrived, its documentation has even more grammatical and spelling errors then my posts!
 
The Bayou Classic KAB4 High Pressure Banjo Cooker burner showed up with a few new challenges.

In the safety notes the manufacturer says:
:alert: keep the the propane at least 24" away from the burner! (no problem)
:alert: keep a 10' perimeter around the burner! (hm mmmmm uh oh)
:alert: asphalt is flammable! (oh ya...derp)

Is there a safe way to use this burner about 4.5' from a wooden barn? 


   
I need advice regarding a possible heat reflector between the burner and the barn wall.  I don't know much about welding, masonry, bricks, cement or Firestone?  I have quite a bit of 2" thick, flat stone (pathway stone) and access to masonry in all shapes and sizes.  I hope I can solve this problem with a 6" thick cement brick wall.  No Morter

The work area is currently paved with asphalt.  Can I just plop 1.5" thick cement patio tiles  down?
 
I want something to hold the weight off the burner, 13" up.  (RR used metal) Is cement safe for this?  I don't want a weight barring block to crack or a 170` straw water tsunami either!

Edited by aris (04/02/11 11:39 AM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineHumility
Working on it
 User Gallery


Registered: 10/07/08
Posts: 6,745
Last seen: 7 years, 10 days
Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas [Re: aris]
    #14225961 - 04/02/11 01:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hrm, a barn located 4.5 feet away sounds like a problem.

Why can't you move your setup?  Isn't everything mobile?  Drums, propane tank, burner; maybe a concrete heat shield?


I have a bit of straw and a wooden fence within 5 feet or so of my setup.  I habitually hose everything down before I turn on the burner though.  By the time I'm done a run or two the wood is still wet so I'm not too concerned.

Concrete is an excellent insulator of heat; marble obviously works pretty well but it's incredibly expensive (I do know folks often have a large slab or two of marble laying around though.  It's really awesome to see organic material like a tree that's been flattened by marble lying on it).

I think the best solution would be to just locate the burning stuff away from the burnable stuff.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinepunkin
Friend of a Friend Who seems OK
Male

Registered: 01/29/10
Posts: 361
Loc: Northern NSW Orstrayllya Flag
Last seen: 7 years, 10 months
Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas [Re: Humility]
    #14226201 - 04/02/11 01:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I always wonder why you guys with commercial setups aren't using solar hot water?

I've tapped into my household solar hws before the temper valve and on a sunny day the water is in the high 80C. i have to add cold water to the free hot water to cool it down for pastuerising. It's 410 litres and there's only two of us here, so it doesn't really impact on us, but i'm sure a dedicated one would pay for itself very quickly.

Means you don't need a gas burner, you can use food grade plastic barrels etc.


--------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGourmetShiitake
Stranger


Registered: 03/15/09
Posts: 129
Last seen: 9 years, 3 months
Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas [Re: punkin]
    #14226250 - 04/02/11 01:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

4.5 feet is more than a meter. That does not sound like a problem to me. Want a good fireproof insulator ? Nothing beats a sheet of rockwool.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineHumility
Working on it
 User Gallery


Registered: 10/07/08
Posts: 6,745
Last seen: 7 years, 10 days
Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas [Re: punkin]
    #14226357 - 04/02/11 02:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

punkin said:
I always wonder why you guys with commercial setups aren't using solar hot water?

I've tapped into my household solar hws before the temper valve and on a sunny day the water is in the high 80C. i have to add cold water to the free hot water to cool it down for pastuerising. It's 410 litres and there's only two of us here, so it doesn't really impact on us, but i'm sure a dedicated one would pay for itself very quickly.

Means you don't need a gas burner, you can use food grade plastic barrels etc.




Only a few regions of the U.S. are compatible with that method.  Also, you'd probably need an unobstructed view of the sun which isn't possible in the city.

That's a hell of an idea though and makes sense.  Would reduce propane costs immensely if you could start out with water that's already 100+ degrees F(pasteurization temps for F are 140-160)


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineM8M
Stranger
Registered: 05/28/09
Posts: 229
Last seen: 4 days, 2 hours
Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas [Re: aris]
    #14226554 - 04/02/11 03:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Why not mount a sheet of sheet metal out about 6 inches around your burner.  Wood stoves usually have a piece of sheet metal out about an inch or so from the back of the stove which enables you to decrease the distance to combustibles by at least 50%.  Would also serve as a wind break for your burner.

Edited by M8M (04/02/11 03:04 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinepunkin
Friend of a Friend Who seems OK
Male

Registered: 01/29/10
Posts: 361
Loc: Northern NSW Orstrayllya Flag
Last seen: 7 years, 10 months
Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas [Re: Humility]
    #14226995 - 04/02/11 04:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Humility said:
Quote:

punkin said:
I always wonder why you guys with commercial setups aren't using solar hot water?

I've tapped into my household solar hws before the temper valve and on a sunny day the water is in the high 80C. i have to add cold water to the free hot water to cool it down for pastuerising. It's 410 litres and there's only two of us here, so it doesn't really impact on us, but i'm sure a dedicated one would pay for itself very quickly.

Means you don't need a gas burner, you can use food grade plastic barrels etc.




Only a few regions of the U.S. are compatible with that method.  Also, you'd probably need an unobstructed view of the sun which isn't possible in the city.

That's a hell of an idea though and makes sense.  Would reduce propane costs immensely if you could start out with water that's already 100+ degrees F(pasteurization temps for F are 140-160)





You'd be starting with water that's too damn hot for pastuerisation and needs cool water added to get it back to temps. I don't understand what you mean by only a few regions in the states are suitable?

Doesn't the sun shine in other places? You don't need to hook these things up to anything but a small pump to lift the water to the panels on the roof, if you don't need to have it hot for domestic use. Otherwise they have an lpg or electric boost that only comes on if the temp comes down to below whatever you set it at.

Most buildings have roofs. And there is always one face of the roof facing the predominant direction of the sun travel in a square house.
All the commercial setups including the two being talked about in this thread are in a rural setting anyway, unless thats an indoor barn?

http://www.energyrant.com/cheap-solar-hot-water-adelaide/


Anyway, just the way i do it and throwing the idea in. I like free, easy hot water:headbanger:


--------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinetotal
Post Office Tyvek Advocator
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 10/03/04
Posts: 11,406
Last seen: 21 days, 8 hours
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas [Re: punkin]
    #14227016 - 04/02/11 04:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

punkin said:
Doesn't the sun shine in other places?



Im all about energy conservation...Dont get me wrong...
But just because the sun shines doesnt mean the region is suitable for solar...

For example, we will use RR...
Who's house' roof is covered by snow alot of the year...
Pumping water on top of your snow covered roof is a accident waiting to happen :super:

Think of solar as a plant...
Just because plants need the sun to grow and live, doesnt mean any plant can live where there is sun... :shrug:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblearis
Feline Bovine


Registered: 07/20/10
Posts: 715
Loc: dl
Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas [Re: aris]
    #14227053 - 04/02/11 04:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I like the solar idea too....

Edited by aris (04/03/11 10:38 AM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineHumility
Working on it
 User Gallery


Registered: 10/07/08
Posts: 6,745
Last seen: 7 years, 10 days
Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas [Re: aris]
    #14227245 - 04/02/11 05:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Don't get me wrong man, sounds like an absolute must for anywhere even semi-rural, but I live in row-houses.  That isn't going to work brah.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinepunkin
Friend of a Friend Who seems OK
Male

Registered: 01/29/10
Posts: 361
Loc: Northern NSW Orstrayllya Flag
Last seen: 7 years, 10 months
Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas [Re: Humility]
    #14227580 - 04/02/11 06:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)



--------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRogerRabbitM
Bans for Pleasure
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/26/03
Posts: 42,214
Loc: Seattle
Last seen: 1 year, 12 days
Trusted Cultivator
OG Cultivator
Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas [Re: punkin]
    #14228080 - 04/02/11 08:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

punkin said:
I don't understand what you mean by only a few regions in the states are suitable?

Doesn't the sun shine in other places?




Not enough to heat water, at least in my place.  I'm in a canyon on the north side of a mountain.  During the winter, I'm in the shade for 4 months with zero sunshine and -20F to -30F.  Then, it's another three months on each side of that before we get more than two or three hours per day, and the damn panels would have to be super insulated, even in the summer.  We had to run our wood stove indoors last year until mid-July, and had it running again by late August.

What works in one region, doesn't necessarily work in another.  I'll be building a bio-fuels boiler this summer, which hopefully will let me keep the propane boiler as a backup.
RR


--------------------
Download Let's Grow Mushrooms



semper in excretia sumus solim profundum variat

"I've never had a failed experiment.  I've only discovered 10,000 methods which do not work."
Thomas Edison

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | Next >  [ show all ]

Shop: Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Concentrates   PhytoExtractum Kratom Powder for Sale   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Oysters on straw, first flush
( 1 2 all )
brainbreath 7,609 35 06/28/04 12:30 AM
by DERRAYLD
* Question. Need Quick Answer (Straw + water ratio) Aneglakya 1,450 7 06/29/04 05:22 PM
by spores
* Shaggy mane indoor grow experiment on straw
( 1 2 all )
wizard2k 11,076 25 06/07/04 05:32 AM
by ragadinks
* straw phobey 1,656 8 12/05/03 01:13 AM
by phobey
* Bulk Pasteurization of Straw in 55 Gallon Drum mattymonkey 7,419 11 05/11/05 05:59 AM
by msmushrooms
* SRA outdoors on straw ragadinks 1,136 4 09/23/04 03:30 AM
by ragadinks
* Pleurotus ostreatus on fermented straw
( 1 2 3 4 all )
zeronio 16,810 62 08/02/03 12:02 PM
by Effed
* Straw problems MushMushi 1,781 5 01/07/03 06:53 PM
by zeronio

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: RogerRabbit, Pastywhyte, Forrester, Stromrider, SHROOMSISAY01
9,567 topic views. 2 members, 17 guests and 2 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.029 seconds spending 0.005 seconds on 14 queries.