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InvisibleAbstraKt_I_Am

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Dear Joe Molloy *DELETED* * 7
    #14225269 - 04/02/11 09:52 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
    #14225274 - 04/02/11 09:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Who the fuck is Joe Molly? :justdontknow:


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Joolz]
    #14225287 - 04/02/11 10:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Joolz said:
Who the fuck is Joe Molly? :justdontknow:



go down and read the thread about the 9 gram trip and the guy no longer being athiest, you'll see who Im talking about.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
    #14225320 - 04/02/11 10:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Haha, goddamn right. I was reading the thread and getting angry.

He seems to have a bitterness to his experiences or lack there of on dmt. I don't know what you're searching for Joe, but i hope you are looking within. Trying to find meaning to everything out there and in your mind while on these things isn't where you should be looking, if you can't even find stability or some sort of peace within yourself.

After many experiences i've learned it's pointless to try to connect anything outwardly to try to find some ultimate meaning or truth. It just doesn't exist in this material world, and the electric world around us. Just be happy things are somewhat stable for you to even have such experiences. Once you are able to balance yourself inwardly and successfully ground yourself while still being unique in thought, heart and mind, then search outwards. But it won't be what you're expecting.

IF you haven't already joe, i would suggest ayahuasca. Smoking dmt to try to find your personal answers to something is like trying to read an entire book and quickly flipping through the pages, only vaguely getting a glance at what you're seeing.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
    #14225322 - 04/02/11 10:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Oh, yeah, that guy. Idk, I haven't read any of that thread except his one post about how he was chasing psychs and got bummed out because he didn't see what he wanted to see. Sounds like another case of another person not understanding that when you take mind altering drugs, your experiences are based on what you are feeling inside. Therefore, if you have pent up anger or sadness or whatever that is what you are going to feel. If you're a genuinely happy person and you just let the drug take ahold and go with it, you're gonna have a fun trip.

This is of course my opinion, and all spiritual mumbo-jumbo that he won't believe in, so I just skipped over him like dust in the wind.

"You're a stranger, so, what do I care?" :mjk:


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Joolz]
    #14225427 - 04/02/11 10:50 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The psychedelic experience really does make you susceptible to almost any input and I believe he let his mom influence his trips too much. :shrug:  ..but I don't know what else he expected to gain by calling his mom during the middle of his trips to "talk rationally" to him.  I feel that somehow he isn't sharing his own views, but rather relaying his mom's. :crazy2:

Either way, I don't mind reading his (or his mom's) opinions.  I don't think it's necessary for him to keep trying to convince everyone that all of the substances are "bullshit".  He tends to come off as a avid church-goer trying to convert the public.

Aside from that, a lot of his posts are very interesting and often do have good points.. so I say keep on doin' your thangs, joemolly. :thumbup:


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Cynosure]
    #14225478 - 04/02/11 11:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Cynosure said: He tends to come off as a avid church-goer trying to convert the public.

Aside from that, a lot of his posts are very interesting and often do have good points.. so I say keep on doin' your thangs, joemolly. :thumbup:




First, I agree with the latter (which is partially why I haven't said anything for a long time) on the condition he did alot less of the aforementioned.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
    #14225622 - 04/02/11 11:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"DMT is bullshit"

:feelsweirdman: = joe


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14225681 - 04/02/11 11:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

No shit. My first few times with deems I fucked up, cause of coughing and being a n00b and all that good stuff. All it took was some good deems and one solid hit man, and I was in space. :feelshighman:


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Re: Dear Joe Molloy [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am] * 1
    #14225752 - 04/02/11 12:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ha. I love this thread. Joe Molloy is the most annoying poster ever. He's the only person that's made me think, "Ignore?"


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Joolz] * 1
    #14225849 - 04/02/11 12:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hey guys, sorry.  You are enlightened because you take this particular class of drugs.  DMT is a source of truth, mushrooms treat you with respect if you treat them with respect, and cactus is an ancient soul.  Jesus Christ rose from the dead, Muhammed met an angel, and if you believe, you inherit the kingdom.  Alcohol curiously though doesn't have a spirit.  Neither does the coca plant.  This is perplexing.  Only certain plants and drugs have spirit.

My mom influenced me about drugs?  She is an open-minded woman in her sixties who smoked changa with me, and asked me to give my dad both a shroom trip and an oral DMT trip to help him with some issues.  I hope your mom is as open-minded about drugs.  The fact that she talked me out of some delusions/strange ideas that I was having is a testament to her love.  She never tells me what to do, only gives her observations and her thoughts.  Who do you bounce your psychedelic ideas off of?  Hopefully someone who loves you and someone who is rational.

Do these drugs have the potential to be habit forming?  Never.  Nevermind the fact that many of this forum are regular users of these drugs and are chasing something intangible.  Some call it enlightenment, some feel it is ineffable, and others are a bit more honest and say Hey its all about euphoria. 

Do these drugs have the potential to turn you into a superstitious version of your previous self?  That's what it seems happens to a great deal of users.

I still trip, but some of the shit I read on this forum is superstitious nonsense.  I reject it.  You can believe it, or you can hate me for calling bullshit on your mystical excuses to get fucked up.

Keep chasing it.  You'll find it.  Bring the hate because I am the brainwashed churchgoer and you are oh-so-free.  We're all slaves to it, but I don't pretend I am free.  You do.

If I bring critical thought, rational thinking, and logic to a trip thread and you feel insulted or threatened or pissed, I take it as a compliment.  I'm just saying what you already know deep down.  I'm saying what the intelligent part of you has buried.  I'm saying what these drugs and your psyche have twisted into submission.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: joemolloy]
    #14225857 - 04/02/11 12:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I reject your critical thought, rational thinking, and logic, sir. You can believe it. :tongue:


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: joemolloy]
    #14225864 - 04/02/11 12:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The issue here joe is you are trying to force your reality on everyone else. You are trying to tell people they are wrong. Youre dmt is bullshit theory explains a lot. All you say is purely opinion based.  Your mom doesnt have anything to do with this.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14225870 - 04/02/11 12:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Isn't it implied that everything on these forums is an opinion?  So if I prefaced every statement with "In my opinion" all would be well with the shroomery?  Bullshit.  You are pissed because I question your psychedelic religion.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: joemolloy]
    #14225894 - 04/02/11 12:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think you can't handle psychedelics. You are not mentally stable.
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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: joemolloy]
    #14225900 - 04/02/11 12:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

joemolloy said:
Isn't it implied that everything on these forums is an opinion?  So if I prefaced every statement with "In my opinion" all would be well with the shroomery?  Bullshit.  You are pissed because I question your psychedelic religion.




You're in the wrong forum if that's what you are here to do. Everyone here is on PSYCHADELIC drugs. If we wanted to have someone tell us how we're chasing nothing (which what the fuck are you chasing, a materialistic life? Have fun with that after death) we would go tell some shrink or go talk to some church goers.

Seriously man, if all you are here is to give us your sober, "no bullshit, I see through the lies" opinion, then really, we don't need it. There are plenty of other people who already spew their filth on our party.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: joemolloy] * 1
    #14225937 - 04/02/11 01:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Oh, so if my opinion were that DMT brings divinity, shrooms allow access to the Big Bang, and cactus provides a doorway to the subconscious, then I would be welcomed with open arms, right?  Right.  As long as I agree with the mysticism of the drug-addled mind, then my posts have value.

See the problem with your thinking?  Bottom line - My ideas threaten you.  That's fucking powerful shit right there. Explore it, don't hate it.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: joemolloy]
    #14225950 - 04/02/11 01:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

joemolloy said:
Oh, so if my opinion were that DMT brings divinity, shrooms allow access to the Big Bang, and cactus provides a doorway to the subconscious, then I would be welcomed with open arms, right?  Right.  As long as I agree with the mysticism of the drug-addled mind, then my posts have value.

See the problem with your thinking?  Bottom line - My ideas threaten you.  That's fucking powerful shit right there. Explore it, don't hate it.




Your ideas do not threaten me. You sitting in your chair in whatever part of this globe has little to no effect on me outside of this spew that I read from your fingers. Honestly, did you read my post? If we wanted people to come down here and talk to us with the sober, science, materialistic viewpoint, WE COULD GO FUCKING OUTSIDE AND FIND SOMEBODY TO TALK TO.

Realize this. I'm not hating, I'm trying to get you to understand that you aren't welcome here, but the trick is, nobody is short on people with the sober, materialistic viewpoint. They're fucking everywhere. You probably just don't realize it because you're one of them.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: jvm]
    #14225986 - 04/02/11 01:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

jvm said:
Haha, goddamn right. I was reading the thread and getting angry.

He seems to have a bitterness to his experiences or lack there of on dmt. I don't know what you're searching for Joe, but i hope you are looking within. Trying to find meaning to everything out there and in your mind while on these things isn't where you should be looking, if you can't even find stability or some sort of peace within yourself.

After many experiences i've learned it's pointless to try to connect anything outwardly to try to find some ultimate meaning or truth. It just doesn't exist in this material world, and the electric world around us. Just be happy things are somewhat stable for you to even have such experiences. Once you are able to balance yourself inwardly and successfully ground yourself while still being unique in thought, heart and mind, then search outwards. But it won't be what you're expecting.

IF you haven't already joe, i would suggest ayahuasca. Smoking dmt to try to find your personal answers to something is like trying to read an entire book and quickly flipping through the pages, only vaguely getting a glance at what you're seeing.




I realized after years of doing psychedelics that all drug taking behavior boils down to seeking pleasure.  Even if one hopes for a painful experience, they believe in the long run that it will ultimately bring pleasure.  Oneness with the universe, divinity, and all the rest of the excuses boil down to feeling good.  It's jerking off.  Psychedelics are masturbation - that's a fucking insight that pisses people off.  The only problem with them is that they are inconsistent and often lead to bad trips which is why the honeymoon soon ends many just smoke weed instead.  I feel integration is just rationalization to continue to ingest these substances.  I'm not angry, I'm a New Yorker with a shit sarcastic attitude and a damn accurate bullshit detector.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Joolz]
    #14226002 - 04/02/11 01:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Joolz said:
Quote:

joemolloy said:
Oh, so if my opinion were that DMT brings divinity, shrooms allow access to the Big Bang, and cactus provides a doorway to the subconscious, then I would be welcomed with open arms, right?  Right.  As long as I agree with the mysticism of the drug-addled mind, then my posts have value.

See the problem with your thinking?  Bottom line - My ideas threaten you.  That's fucking powerful shit right there. Explore it, don't hate it.




Your ideas do not threaten me. You sitting in your chair in whatever part of this globe has little to no effect on me outside of this spew that I read from your fingers. Honestly, did you read my post? If we wanted people to come down here and talk to us with the sober, science, materialistic viewpoint, WE COULD GO FUCKING OUTSIDE AND FIND SOMEBODY TO TALK TO.

Realize this. I'm not hating, I'm trying to get you to understand that you aren't welcome here, but the trick is, nobody is short on people with the sober, materialistic viewpoint. They're fucking everywhere. You probably just don't realize it because you're one of them.





The difference between me and them is that I take these drugs and I love them.  I'm honest about them and in PM's many users have thanked me for my insights and told me that I am one of the only rational voices on this forum.  A rational drug user?  Uncommon, I know.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: joemolloy]
    #14226004 - 04/02/11 01:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

AHAHAHHAH, If only you joemolly haters realized exactly how hypocritical you are being.

On the contrary, Joe is one of the most refreshing posters I have encountered on the shroomery.

I have been to "the top" of Nirvana. I have melted into infinity, etc., but I still find myself agreeing with Joe 95% of the time.

I guess in your "enlightening" experiences you never learned what tolerance is.

Having been sober for about a year now, I find myself agreeing with Joe more all the time. Some of you are just desperate to discover an "enlightenment" that doesn't exist.

That's not to say there isn't much to be learned from the psychedelic experience.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Joolz]
    #14226009 - 04/02/11 01:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I don' think anyone should press their opinions too hard on anyone else, but i would have to agree with joe molly on some of his statements.
I observe a lot of people in real life and on the shroomery who perceive psychedelics as a way to enlightenment or higherbeing-ness in some sort of way and thats honestly not the case. Now i wouldn't say their isnt something "special" about mushrooms or peyote or dmt.

Be honest with yourselves shroomerites, question your motives and ideals. You may just find you like getting really high/fucked up, seeing really cool shit, and thinking in amazingly deep ways.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: joemolloy]
    #14226021 - 04/02/11 01:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If ultimately bringing pleasure equates to masturbation (:confused:)... then isn't all of life just "masturbation"?
I mean who walks through life saying, "I want to make this ride more miserable for myself."?


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: joemolloy]
    #14226042 - 04/02/11 01:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

joemolloy said:
Quote:

jvm said:
Haha, goddamn right. I was reading the thread and getting angry.

He seems to have a bitterness to his experiences or lack there of on dmt. I don't know what you're searching for Joe, but i hope you are looking within. Trying to find meaning to everything out there and in your mind while on these things isn't where you should be looking, if you can't even find stability or some sort of peace within yourself.

After many experiences i've learned it's pointless to try to connect anything outwardly to try to find some ultimate meaning or truth. It just doesn't exist in this material world, and the electric world around us. Just be happy things are somewhat stable for you to even have such experiences. Once you are able to balance yourself inwardly and successfully ground yourself while still being unique in thought, heart and mind, then search outwards. But it won't be what you're expecting.

IF you haven't already joe, i would suggest ayahuasca. Smoking dmt to try to find your personal answers to something is like trying to read an entire book and quickly flipping through the pages, only vaguely getting a glance at what you're seeing.




I realized after years of doing psychedelics that all drug taking behavior boils down to seeking pleasure.  Even if one hopes for a painful experience, they believe in the long run that it will ultimately bring pleasure.  Oneness with the universe, divinity, and all the rest of the excuses boil down to feeling good.  It's jerking off.  Psychedelics are masturbation - that's a fucking insight that pisses people off.  The only problem with them is that they are inconsistent and often lead to bad trips which is why the honeymoon soon ends many just smoke weed instead.  I feel integration is just rationalization to continue to ingest these substances.  I'm not angry, I'm a New Yorker with a shit sarcastic attitude and a damn accurate bullshit detector.





See, who else is saying this shit on the shroomery? joemolly is the only one insightful enough to take skepticism to the next level. I couldn't agree more with this entire post. It takes serious balls and introspection to admit that all the "enlightenment" was really just pleasure in a trojan horse.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Joolz]
    #14226057 - 04/02/11 01:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Joolz said:
Realize this. I'm not hating, I'm trying to get you to understand that you aren't welcome here.




:rolleyes:

Each of you should be able to have your opinions even if one is of whatever "sober" mindset your talking about.

It kinda sounds to me like you think your opinions are better cause your high on something, and he isn't. but yet he is on this forum and has talked about his psychedelic experiences.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Everything]
    #14226089 - 04/02/11 01:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Everything said:
Quote:

Joolz said:
Realize this. I'm not hating, I'm trying to get you to understand that you aren't welcome here.




:rolleyes:

Each of you should be able to have your opinions even if one is of whatever "sober" mindset your talking about.

It kinda sounds to me like you think your opinions are better cause your high on something, and he isn't. but yet he is on this forum and has talked about his psychedelic experiences.




Yeah, it's kind of crazy how psychedelics actually amplify peoples' egos by making them think they know things that other people don't.

You know what takes real balls? Accepting that delusions exist; that you can believe things that aren't true; that you can't even trust yourself to distinguish between psychosis and enlightenment. And that's the fuckin truth, from personal experience


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: lasttime]
    #14226134 - 04/02/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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lasttime said:
Quote:

Everything said:
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Joolz said:
Realize this. I'm not hating, I'm trying to get you to understand that you aren't welcome here.




:rolleyes:

Each of you should be able to have your opinions even if one is of whatever "sober" mindset your talking about.

It kinda sounds to me like you think your opinions are better cause your high on something, and he isn't. but yet he is on this forum and has talked about his psychedelic experiences.




Yeah, it's kind of crazy how psychedelics actually amplify peoples' egos by making them think they know things that other people don't.

You know what takes real balls? Accepting that delusions exist; that you can believe things that aren't true; that you can't even trust yourself to distinguish between psychosis and enlightenment. And that's the fuckin truth, from personal experience




I never said I was better, I said that his view isn't going to be taken nicely. (I bet talking about my amplified ego makes you feel pretty good that you aren't on my level? Amirite? Same fucking thing.)

Great, you've had people pm you about what you've said, I have too. Clearly this is going nowhere, so I'll just keep this one on my list of threads to not read.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Joolz] * 1
    #14226320 - 04/02/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Psychedelic experiences are...more or less...bullshit.

Seriously...do you think you've reached some higher level of enlightenment because you saw crazy shit while tripping??

All psychs do is put you in a crazy head space, where you seem to "realize" things that are simple, and obvious.

Psychedelics have helped me appreciate nature more, and appreciate the value of life. They have also helped me be comfortable with death. I haven't learned ANYTHING from 40+ trips that is mystical, or extra spiritual, and I am hard pressed to believe that you (OP) or anyone else has.

Don't kid yourselves. Psychedelics are drugs, just like coke is a drug, like alcohol is a drug, and like these other drugs, they fuck you up.
A lot of people downplay this fact, and say "oh I'm using these drugs every week...but it's for learning.

Don't get me wrong, I love psychedelics, I LOVE psychedelics. They are incredibly fun, but I never pretend to be some super-enlightened being after consuming them.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Anthony917]
    #14226359 - 04/02/11 02:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:thumbup: to this thread.

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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: HeiligBoomerz]
    #14226369 - 04/02/11 02:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Don't feed the trolls.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Anthony917]
    #14226417 - 04/02/11 02:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

the human race is Fucked.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: gornyhuy]
    #14226452 - 04/02/11 02:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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gornyhuy said:
Don't feed the trolls.




Both Joe and Joolz have legit responeses.

This is not a

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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: HeiligBoomerz]
    #14226475 - 04/02/11 02:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Joe's responses are not legit.
He is saying all experiences are delusions.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14226497 - 04/02/11 02:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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HyperSpaceMaggot said:
Joe's responses are not legit.
He is saying all experiences are delusions.




Which is his opinion.
And he is saying it legitly.

Unlike,
"JU KNO I BE RIGHT MAAAAAN! THESE DRUGS ARE BULLZSHIT!"

:thumbup: to any sane argument.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot] * 1
    #14226499 - 04/02/11 02:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Joolz said:
Realize this. I'm not hating, I'm trying to get you to understand that you aren't welcome here.




If you are put off by someones opinion , its a wiser choice to put some one on ignore than it is to take an "ambassador" role for the rest of us and say they aren't welcome here anymore.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: HeiligBoomerz]
    #14226644 - 04/02/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

HeiligBoomerz said:
Quote:

HyperSpaceMaggot said:
Joe's responses are not legit.
He is saying all experiences are delusions.




.

Unlike,
"JU KNO I BE RIGHT MAAAAAN! THESE DRUGS ARE BULLZSHIT!"

:thumbup: to any sane argument.



"DMT is bullshit."


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14226659 - 04/02/11 03:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

HyperSpaceMaggot said:
Joe's responses are not legit.
He is saying all experiences are delusions.






Fuck it, dude.  Let it go, maybe I'm just a closed-minded materialist fool who reads too much biology, psychology, sociology and the rest of it.  Except I have spent countless hours reading all of the psychedelic literature and lore and listening to all the lectures sucking it all in.  And I have spent years tripping on oral DMT + harmalas where I was in breakthrough territory for hours at a time.  My experiences and my interpretations of them may be instructive and valuable to those who feel like they're getting too close to the flame and getting burned. 


Quote:

HyperSpaceMaggot said:
Quote:

HeiligBoomerz said:
Quote:

HyperSpaceMaggot said:
Joe's responses are not legit.
He is saying all experiences are delusions.




.

Unlike,
"JU KNO I BE RIGHT MAAAAAN! THESE DRUGS ARE BULLZSHIT!"

:thumbup: to any sane argument.



"DMT is bullshit."




Ah, but if my quote was "DMT is Enlightenment" you'd have no problem.  You just don't like disagreement.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: joemolloy]
    #14226680 - 04/02/11 03:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What in the FUCK does sociology, and biology have to do with hyperspace?
I think youre just getting a wild hair up your ass because you started taking some community college classes.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14226704 - 04/02/11 03:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I have two Masters Degrees and spend a great deal of time reading, learning, and growing intellectually.  Go ahead, piss on it. I should have a Masters in Psychedelics but they never offered it.  Still, I'll take you to school, Hyperspacemaggot.

PS - Start reading some of that shit and it'll expand your understanding of your drug usage.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: joemolloy]
    #14226714 - 04/02/11 03:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14226726 - 04/02/11 03:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

HyperSpaceMaggot said:
What in the FUCK does sociology, and biology have to do with hyperspace?
I think youre just getting a wild hair up your ass because you started taking some community college classes.




and you are in some delusional headspace and believe that psychedelics are a gateway into the truth...
I agree with Joe here, you're the one who has a problem with his rational approach to psychedelics, likely because you are too "enlightened" to believe that your precious drugs are, in fact, just another way to get fucked up.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Anthony917]
    #14226731 - 04/02/11 03:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Personally, I attach significance to things and ideas because I feel there is a chance that everything is meaningless.

And that sucks like a vacuum. Why make it all black and white, pleasure and pain, good and bad, life or death? It's up to you to put in the energy and make your life the way you want it to be.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: floatingwater]
    #14226746 - 04/02/11 03:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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floatingwater said:
Personally, I attach significance to things and ideas because I feel there is a chance that everything is meaningless.

And that sucks like a vacuum. Why make it all black and white, pleasure and pain, good and bad, life or death? It's up to you to put in the energy and make your life the way you want it to be.





even if everything IS meaningless (which I think it is) why does that have to affect your ability to live an awesome life??
I don't care if life is meaningless because I don't NEED there to BE meaning. I am satisfied with just enjoying my experiences.
You can still have fun, and love, and do whatever the fuck you want...there doesn't need to be a point.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Anthony917]
    #14226759 - 04/02/11 03:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If i look at things with joes "rationality" my Messiah Yeshua, my purpose, my gift from God means nothing ans pointless. Fuck that.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14226819 - 04/02/11 03:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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HyperSpaceMaggot said:
If i look at things with joes "rationality" my Messiah Yeshua, my purpose, my gift from God means nothing ans pointless. Fuck that.




well there you go, you just admitted that you are threatened by his rationality, and that if you looked at the world through his eyes, everything you believe would be discredited.
"You" don't have a purpose, "You" are not special and "You" don't even really exist.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Anthony917]
    #14226897 - 04/02/11 04:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

blah blah blah
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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Anthony917]
    #14226912 - 04/02/11 04:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Joe you are coming off like you are here to educate everyone... and how great that is of you.  But it condescending to go into someones thread who feels like they just had a mystical experience and try to shut them down.  Because YOU know more than them. 

    The most intelligent people I have ever meet or read have a humbleness to there teaching.  Yeah you can argue well. Well great, but I myself do not come here for that.  I like to share and read other people experience's while on these mind-expanding drug. 


  The argument about drugs are drugs is true, but its a cope out.  All drugs are drugs but the "spiritual" nature of drugs like lsd, dmt, mescaline, mushrooms, aya, and so on is anyone can take them. Its all about what you do with them. If your taking them just for pleasure or to get fucked up you are missing out BIG time.  And curiously enough it takes work to get to these amazing places on these drugs.  Thats why I believe they are more than your common drug.  They have potential to lift the veil of everyday reality.

  So you say that Muhammad meet an Angel and Christ raised from the dead.  And since they were sober their experiences are valid? Why is someone who reaches a "christ-consciousness" on LSD any less enlightened.  Why can't these drugs, or better yet entheogens be gifts to humanity from God to aid us in evolution. 

  I just think it is counterproductive to go in to some thread where someone just had one of the most amazing experience's of there life and is looking to share and be positive about it... Who knows maybe they have just started their path toward enlightenment... And you feel you gotta come in and make sure that you lay your dogma on them.  Its like you are trying to spark doubt.  We need as many like minded free minds as possible, why try to use your intellect to create doubt.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: LuckeyMA]
    #14226977 - 04/02/11 04:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Joe you are coming off like you are here to educate everyone... and how great that is of you.  But it condescending to go into someones thread who feels like they just had a mystical experience and try to shut them down.  Because YOU know more than them. 





If someone posts their trip on the internet, they are looking for feedback.  Many of these posters have no idea how to interpret, integrate, or deal with their trips.  My voice is one of many on this forum and the trippers can take or leave my conjectures, advice, and conclusions.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: joemolloy]
    #14227074 - 04/02/11 05:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think you are lying out of your ass about the two master degrees. IMHO


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: joemolloy] * 2
    #14227093 - 04/02/11 05:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Sure they can, but when the openly try to leave it you insist on continuing to push your opinion.  There is a Religion, spiritual and other place on the shroomery.  The Psychedelic Experience... to me, is about sharing the beautiful, mind-expanding trip we all go on.  How can you argue or disagree with someone else's experience? 

  Further more WHO are you to question someone else's experience. You weren't there, you didn't go through it. 

  So you think enlightenment does not lie in the psychedelic exp. great we get it.  Just don't come in this part of the forum and be Debbie downer.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14227142 - 04/02/11 05:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I think you are lying out of your ass about the two master degrees. IMHO




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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: joemolloy] * 1
    #14227495 - 04/02/11 06:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

joemolloy said:
Quote:

HyperSpaceMaggot said:
I think you are lying out of your ass about the two master degrees. IMHO




And I'm a handsome fucker too.



Lol I was gonna quote that and throw it in the OP. Seriously this isn't a hate club on Joe.

My experiences with psychedelics. I take them with an approach that "The more I experience the less I know". Its gives me perception of reality thats puzzling. Thats what I appreciate. Fuck this thread has went from me being pissy this morning to being split down the middle of the debate.

I know if I didn't read a few of Joes threads after my first LSD trip I could have ended up in trouble at the rate I was spewing out "I know theres energy fields around us" type of thing. Joe you did bring a grounding to me when I first was experimenting with heavy doses. Thank you as I never tried to discredit your ideas worth.

This thread ended up really making me look at things in this way, Myself personally I see really rational skeptical pych users and really spiritual mystical pych users pushing what they feel they know on each other in this shitty way. Me I feel I sit on the side line of pondering and the idea of possibility, but never being sure of what Ive experienced.

Heres I guess the point of the OP, what the fuck do any of us really know. None of us know about shit. We think we know. Keyword think.
And life might not have a purpose but it does have meaning. Does it not mean shit to any of you when you tell someone you care about love them, or does it not mean shit you have accomplishments. Of course it fucking does, meaning is something that can be felt.

So heres my example of why Joe should tone down the heavily opinionated forced response especially in the trip reports of others.
Psychedelics have done something beneficial for most of us all. PERIOD.

Weather you felt an extra appreciation for nature, had a concept of reality shattered and perspective opened or now feel more comfortable with death. Thats a good thing, you benefited. Even if it was short lived for some of us. But when I went from being confined to my house over post traumatic stress except for having a bottle of Xannax on me to actually getting over it all in a fucking day over a trip, the last thing I would of needed is someone with vast experience in psychedelics telling me it was a load of shit.(But it wasn't because I haven't had a panic attack a day since.IMO) And I feel for new trippers on here esp the ones who started with the intent of trying to fix that fucked up thing they live with using psychedelics. They shouldn't be at risk of having that watered down. We already have a big fucked up society doing that 24/7 with it is. See someone write a report about their life being dramatically changed, who gives a fuck if the god they encountered was a bunch of chemicals or a from a different plane of existence. Why not be happy this human has something beautiful just given to them, a better view of life. A better quality. Why not be happy for them? What ever it is though, you might as well just insult them directly to their face if you wanna shit on their experience. Essentially its what your doing.

Joe.. Like I mentioned with my Lsd trip, even though Im sure it was rash and blunt something you said helped ground me a bit. I have gratitude for that. But why not do it in a subtle way or one that doesn't necessary impose on ending the value to their experience. I have no doubt more people will go from radical views to more rational ones but you could let them find that view on their own.
Or You could easily make your point in a way that could earn you alot of respect and not push this counter culture into a split. I seriously feel like I just watched two separate groups go against each other that would find the most benefit in growing into each other and not picking sides.
Exchanging ideas is great. Dick slapping opinions in each others faces is like catholic vs Christians. Childish bullshit.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
    #14227626 - 04/02/11 06:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I get it dude, its cool brother.  We might not agree on everything, but we do think these drugs are pretty damn wacky and can be a hell of a lot of fun and that unites us in a special way and separates us from the rest of the world.  Peace.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: joemolloy]
    #14227654 - 04/02/11 06:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You're posts here don't match up with what you said on the nexus....
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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: joemolloy]
    #14227708 - 04/02/11 06:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

ITT: Blah blah blah.

They don't want you to be an asshole. You can disagree, and you can explain why, but do it nicely or don't do it at all.

I frequently agree with your opinions. I am not the kind of person who finds mystical nonsense in my trips, I do not believe in that kind of spirituality. My spirituality comes from observation and the scientific method. If it can't be scientifically proven, then it doesn't exist, and if you believe otherwise, then I'm sorry, but you're wrong. If you really took the time to learn what was going on inside your brain when you trip, you'd see that the beliefs you gain through tripping are still only beliefs.

There is only one thing in the universe that does not require people to believe. That thing is science and you don't have to believe in it because it can be demonstrated for you.

So here's what it boils down to:
The disillusioned asshole with the capacity for rational thought against the mob of people who are entitled to their beliefs.

Stop fighting them. You can't win. The psychedelic experience is to powerful to work against. You can't prove that what they believe is stupid unless they already want to believe it's stupid.

If you're really frustrated by how ignorant these people can be, then seek out people like me. Seek out people like yourself and get all that negative shit out of your system before you insult the belief systems that others have built for themselves.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: healing]
    #14228089 - 04/02/11 08:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Joe molly has a very good perspective on the psychedelic experience, a lot of you guys do, most are a little on the cultish side and believe in some delirious stuff but you make your own reality so who cares, none of you know the truth behind life (if there even is one) take these awesome chemicals and enjoy the insights they help you discover or hate the downward spiral of delirium that some of you guys are falling into, either way your not right, just guessing and drawing conclusions from your subjective evidence.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Harri] * 1
    #14228295 - 04/02/11 09:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well shiiitt.. guess we're all right back in the same place

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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
    #14228313 - 04/02/11 09:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Heres I guess the point of the OP, what the fuck do any of us really know. None of us know about shit. We think we know. Keyword think.
And life might not have a purpose but it does have meaning. Does it not mean shit to any of you when you tell someone you care about love them, or does it not mean shit you have accomplishments. Of course it fucking does, meaning is something that can be felt.





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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #14228745 - 04/02/11 10:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

please don't leave us, joe.
i don't really agree with you much of the time, but we need a Gadfly around here. especially here.

that's right, he's Socratic. he challenges the notions, and does a damn good job presenting his case.

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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: gabbaganchi]
    #14228754 - 04/02/11 10:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The only thing I believe is what i can see. I don't believe in oxygen because I am rational and have 2 ph.ds


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14228782 - 04/02/11 10:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i dont believe in anything. this entire universe is a simulation, electrons spun into density to create the illusion of matter.

why is everything circles? our minds are, atoms and stars. i want to buy everyone here a drink and talk to their faces about anything.

we're all caricatures of our inner-selfs, some more so. why stir up shit?


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: gabbaganchi]
    #14228787 - 04/02/11 10:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

if thats true then i dont have to worry about going back to prison then. prison isnt real.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14228806 - 04/02/11 10:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

that's not the point. if you're really a Christian, go on and love thy brother and cast not judgement


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: gabbaganchi]
    #14228823 - 04/02/11 10:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What's the point then my friend?


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14228847 - 04/02/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

the point is do whatever you want, because it's an online forum, no one will ever win or lose, i wont change your mind and the earth keeps a-spinnin. nevermind.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: gabbaganchi]
    #14228862 - 04/02/11 11:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Good advice.
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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14229037 - 04/02/11 11:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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HyperSpaceMaggot said:
The only thing I believe is what i can see. I don't believe in oxygen because I am rational and have 2 ph.ds



:Trollface:

Science proves oxygen exists.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14229655 - 04/03/11 02:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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if thats true then i dont have to worry about going back to prison then. prison isnt real.




Why you bein so close minded about the whole thing man? Your just throwing petty, insignificant posts in just saying he is wrong. If you actually believe in your own point of view why don't you lay it out for us so maybe JUST maybe we can see your perspective on it. Share an experience, maybe even explain in what way you feel psychedelics have mystical value.

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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Everything]
    #14229699 - 04/03/11 02:28 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

This thread is funny. I'm surprised you made a thread to call him out. I don't think he's trying to convert anybody to sobriety or anything. It sounds like he trips regularly himself but I'm not sure.

I love joes totally realistic point of view. I can be somewhat of a cynical bastard when it comes to certain things and I can sympathize with him.

That's not to say I agree with him but I can respect his honesty and I can sympathize with his point of view entirely. Because as many trips as I've had, as my epiphanies and feelings of enlightenment and being at home and at peace with the world, what I carry away from that is small and not accumulative with successive trips. You get the message, you hang up the phone, as somebody said.

To keep chasing enlightenment by eating psychedelics is kind of pointless. I think a lot of people use it as an excuse to get high.

You can definitely learn and grow with psychedelic experiences. As for the mystical, telepathic, the entities and everything. Well. What you learn, you learn on your own. Psychedelics aren't magic, they are drugs.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: drr]
    #14229745 - 04/03/11 02:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

he wants to be god. and cant be. therefore he mad.

Lol y u mad  joe?


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14229760 - 04/03/11 02:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

hyperspace is the mad one loool


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Anthony917]
    #14229850 - 04/03/11 03:44 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Dear Joe Molloy [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
    #14229866 - 04/03/11 03:52 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I would not call the psychedelic experience complete bullshit, but I find Joe's posts quite refreshing in the middle of tons on gibberishy new-age speculations full of aliens, crystals, quantum crap and spirits.

I do think too that many of psych users fall easily into a "religious" fervor, thinking that drugs –allies, sorry…– are the only answer to the question of life, universe and everything.


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Re: Dear Joe Molloy [Re: NoBrainNoPain]
    #14229897 - 04/03/11 04:27 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

great post drr

psychs extend brain signals literally providing expanded consciousness which leads the way to more associations arising and layering and as the best match is always the one to prevail in mind your mentality will be better both essentially and in content and will be more inclusive


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: drr]
    #14229918 - 04/03/11 04:52 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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drr said:
This thread is funny. I'm surprised you made a thread to call him out. I don't think he's trying to convert anybody to sobriety or anything. It sounds like he trips regularly himself but I'm not sure.

I love joes totally realistic point of view. I can be somewhat of a cynical bastard when it comes to certain things and I can sympathize with him.

That's not to say I agree with him but I can respect his honesty and I can sympathize with his point of view entirely. Because as many trips as I've had, as my epiphanies and feelings of enlightenment and being at home and at peace with the world, what I carry away from that is small and not accumulative with successive trips. You get the message, you hang up the phone, as somebody said.

To keep chasing enlightenment by eating psychedelics is kind of pointless. I think a lot of people use it as an excuse to get high.

You can definitely learn and grow with psychedelic experiences. As for the mystical, telepathic, the entities and everything. Well. What you learn, you learn on your own. Psychedelics aren't magic, they are drugs.



You know, It happened on a frustrated whim. And Im glad. After it started a debate it did hit me that these fourms and what not do need people like Joe. So to re sum my last post.

I just feel like this Is a thread that If people read from beginning and followed through a few pages.It could set a better standard for treating each other within the community, to better represent the community.

In short, its about accepting we cant honestly even admit to ourselves; that we know more then the next person. When you do your humbled. Your embracing.  This thread can hint at that and  show the bullshit behavior between both the spiritual mystical user and the rational/skeptical non spiritual user. And where in the middle both lovers of these substances can at least get along.


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Re: Dear Joe Molloy [Re: Ferdinando]
    #14229938 - 04/03/11 05:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think Joe is being misunderstood. 

I sort of agree with him that the ultimate reason for taking psychedelics is "pleasure," as long as we differentiate between purely physical pleasure and "happiness" pleasure.  Psychedelic drugs, through their subjective experiences of "unity" and whatnot, can create "happiness" pleasure.  The really unique thing about this happiness pleasure is that IT IS NOT ZERO-SUM WITH RESPECT TO THE FUTURE, OR WITH RESPECT TO OTHER PEOPLE. 

Some pleasures are zero-sum with respect to other people.  In these cases, attaining a pleasure necessarily requires depriving someone else of that pleasure.  Snorting the last line of coke at a party is kinda like that--you are depriving someone else of the pleasure of snorting that coke.  I've never snorted coke, but from what I hear, situations like that get really sketchy and fiendish, when you see that your line is a little bit smaller than your "friend's," or vice-versa. 

Some pleasures are zero-sum with respect to the future.  You might attain greater pleasure now, but you will have to pay just as much (or more) for it in displeasure later.  Consider, for example, opiates.  This is why I see the recreational use of opiates as being pointless, unless I'm about to die and won't have to pay up by enduring withdrawals later because I'm dead.  In my opinion, late-stage terminally ill people should be given all the drugs they want, no questions asked (of course, the war on drugs in general should end, but particularly in the case of a person who is about to die, there are literally no downsides to using any drug that gives immediate pleasure). 

What sets psychedelics in a class of their own is that they have the potential to provide non-zero-sum pleasure, both with respect to other people, and with respect to one's future.  If two people share a good trip, they both benefit, and there are literally no future downsides--no crash, just happiness that slowly levels off over the coming months and gets assimilated into brightening one's mood and outlook on life thereafter a little bit.  (Now, here I'm talking about the classical psychedelics and ignoring drugs that are only halfway psychedelic like MDMA).  This non-zero-sum nature is what makes psychedelics such a "magical," precious tool in a class of their own.  It creates a more sustainable basis for future happiness ("pleasure") by actually strengthening solidarity between people, and by only strengthening the individual, when used correctly.  In this way, even "bad trips" where you pay with displeasure up front can (but not necessarily--it requires integration and a stable mindset) reap greater rewards of "pleasure" (happiness, self-understanding, contentment, clarity, etc.) in the long run.

Psychedelics are also non-zero-sum with respect to ego glorification, I think.  To be sure, psychedelics can absolutely destroy one's ego, but at the same time I think this often ends up paradoxically glorifying one's ego more than ever before.  "I understand..."  "I've been to hell and back!" etc.  I don't think this is a bad thing.  Much of life is, I think, the quest to feel strong and to feel good about ourselves.  We need to feel good about ourselves.  What psychedelics do is provide a non-zero-sum and sustainable way of attaining that.  Psychedelics, in this way, are superior to other methods of ego glorification that depend on putting someone else down or that require constant reassurance that "I'm a good person, right?  right? right? *anxious laughter...*"  If you have had an overwhelming psychedelic experience, you can respond to any criticism of your ego by saying, "I have survived the most challenging possible ordeal ever.  Your spells are feeble compared to those of Satan, the incarnation of evil, whom I already battled and outlasted."  And you no longer need to restrict your life to the quest of constantly reassuring yourself of your ego.  You don't have to buy a house just to feel like you've been a success.  You don't have to lose weight if you don't want to.  You can feel confident that you are an immortal soul, victorious over Satan, and now you have nothing left to prove to yourself or anyone else.  You are truly liberated to do whatever you want in life. 

Furthermore, this ego glorification can be accomplished in a non-zero-sum way that potentially, if everyone would be willing to trip, could encompass every single human on the planet.  When two people have seriously tripped hard together and made it through in one piece, there can only be respect between them.  There is no need to put others down in order to feel comparatively better because the experience of resurrecting after ego-death and/or vanquishing the cosmic forces of evil are compelling enough in their own right already for providing theoretically infinite levels of ego glorification. 

Now, I say "theoretically" because I have not personally experienced such heights.  I am still somewhat weak and unsure of myself.  But I can discern the trajectory.  I can tell that I have become stronger as a person and more sure of myself from what preliminary psychedelic use I've had so far, and the trajectory points to the idea that, assuming I ever get to the point of daring to put myself through thumbprint-levels of ego-death and confrontation with cosmic forces of good and evil, I will come away from such an experience either broken and psychotically flailing to shore up my ego once again (if I did not go into the experience with enough mental strength and preparation) or infinitely strong and ego-glorified. 

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Edit:  I also want to make clear that this process of ego-glorification need not be rational, considering that the need for ego-glorification is not really rational in the first place.  It is a vestige of our organism having an instinctual emotional and moral component in the brain, where we *need* to feel like we are doing "good."  So in my mind it doesn't really matter if you believe that you "really did battle Satan", and not just metaphorically...as long as the implications remained confined to the realm of one's internal ego glorification, and you don't start thinking also that "Satan controls the weather" or other crazy shit having to do with the external material world.

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The psychedelic experience definitely works via a sort of brinkmanship.  You face your demons, and either you are overcome by them and go psychotic, or you assimilate their power and become more powerful, liberated, and destined for pleasure than ever before. 


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Re: Dear Joe Molloy [Re: Comradez]
    #14230061 - 04/03/11 07:03 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Very nice post Comradez :thumbup:


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Comradez]
    #14230089 - 04/03/11 07:28 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ok, Ok...lets dial down the rhetoric here.

First and foremost, JoeMalloy has a position that many may well learn from, and need to hear.  It is far too easy to slip into mistaken beliefs regarding psychelelics and their usage and effects when there are so many folks out there trying to convince one another of some inherent mystical benefit.  Not only we ourselves on this forum, but (to hold up a few shining, eloquent example) Terrence McKenna, Tim Leary, Joe Rogan, etc.

JoeMalloy has a position that helps us center ourselves, and the real truth is that the middle ground is, by far, the best place to be.  For those who obtain insight and benefit from psychedelic use (and I agree you can have this happen!) - how wonderful!!!

I think what JM is saying is, great, just don't become an extremist in your belief of limitless benefit to this healing / teaching / spirituality...because its not there, and if you push it, in an effort to reach the far extremes of self-enlightenment, that this is its own kind of seductive trap for the unwary.

Nothing wrong with such a position...in fact, I think it is of immense value to have a check and balance in this forum.  If the far "other-side" of JM's opinion irritates you...it is likely because it rings a bit true.  I for one value Joe's position.  You need not agree with his position, my middle-ground position, or any other you read here at the Shroomery.  But I WOULD suggest that you not completely discount anyone's right to take a position and eloquently defend it, NOR should the attack be PUBLIC and personal.

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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Nature Boy] * 1
    #14230140 - 04/03/11 08:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Nature Boy said:
Ok, Ok...lets dial down the rhetoric here.

First and foremost, JoeMalloy has a position that many may well learn from, and need to hear.  It is far too easy to slip into mistaken beliefs regarding psychelelics and their usage and effects when there are so many folks out there trying to convince one another of some inherent mystical benefit.  Not only we ourselves on this forum, but (to hold up a few shining, eloquent example) Terrence McKenna, Tim Leary, Joe Rogan, etc.

JoeMalloy has a position that helps us center ourselves, and the real truth is that the middle ground is, by far, the best place to be.  For those who obtain insight and benefit from psychedelic use (and I agree you can have this happen!) - how wonderful!!!

I think what JM is saying is, great, just don't become an extremist in your belief of limitless benefit to this healing / teaching / spirituality...because its not there, and if you push it, in an effort to reach the extremes of self-enlightenment, that this is its own kind of seductive trap for the unwary.

Nothing wrong with such a position...in fact, I think it is of immense value to have a check and balance in this forum.  If the far "other-side" of JM's opinion irritates you...it is likely because it rings a bit true.  I for one value Joe's position.  You need not agree with his position, my middle-ground position, or any other you read here at the Shroomery.  But I WOULD suggest that you not completely discount anyone's right to take a position and eloquently defend it, NOR should the attack be PUBLIC and personal.

N.B.



I 100% get that. And I dont feel irritated. This was never about me. This was about witnessing the way he conducted him self in response to other peoples meaningful experiences . I had an issue with how it was done, because it was causing clashes and issues. I mean when you go, "DMT is bullshit." "Bring on the hate"...

Your causing alot of people to immediately have a close minded reaction, and possibly doing them worse off. I mean Ive seen some really delusional post from users. And you don't think they could end up hurting themselves diving deeper maybe to prove a point or try and brush off what Joe said? Of course they could.

And everything perspective, So I know If I was posting my first heavy trip. I wouldn't want anyone telling me they've experienced way more and it all leads to bullshit. That could be a fucking bummer to hear that. Yeah Id be all up for the integration and how to stay ground advice if it wasnt someone comparing my personal experience to Jesus and some shit thats irrelevant to me while hes reminding me hes a handsome fucker. No its counter intuitive more often then not.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
    #14230316 - 04/03/11 09:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

nice thread:super:..took an unexpected turn there in the middle.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Boheim]
    #14230500 - 04/03/11 10:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

im glad that this issue is being discussed.
working towards etsablishing a dialogue between multiple viewpoints within an organization is the precursor to a (hopefully) sane dialogue in the wider world.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Boheim] * 1
    #14230522 - 04/03/11 10:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

JoeMolley is exactly the type of person the Illuminati hope to create.
He is guided by his critical thinking skills rather than creativity and intuition. Seems as if what he thinks his intuition is was formed by others. To each their own, I guess it makes you feel good to rain on others' parade. All you do is bash people here. But there are people like you in every community. I guess she shroomery was in need.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
    #14230549 - 04/03/11 10:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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AbstraKt_I_Am said:
I had an issue with how it was done, because it was causing clashes and issues. I mean when you go, "DMT is bullshit." "Bring on the hate"...




Yeah, I saw that, and I believe I actually made a comment in that thread...but I think when I read them, I understood those words to represent JoeMalloy's position compressed and expressed in a rather brilliant "economy of words" best interpreted in conjunction with other and further things previously written by him on the subject...so I took little exception to them.

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So I know If I was posting my first heavy trip. I wouldn't want anyone telling me they've experienced way more and it all leads to bullshit. That could be a fucking bummer to hear that.




Why not???  You might need to hear those words.  In any event, in the LONG RUN (which is apparently where JoeMolloy's position originates) a person, through their DMT experiences, may eventually come full-circle, realize and conclude (just as JM seems to have) that it really IS an experience empty of "true" meaning or importance.  You may, yourself, eventually conclude DMT is just another powerful, short acting psychedelic that only gives a temporary, entheogenic experience with no lasting benefit, if you stick with it long enough.  After four years, I'm tending to agree with that notion.

So...please try not to be so quick to judge the validity of his position.  It certainly cannot be said to be utterly INVALID, and therefore deserves to be held up to scrutiny, which I think this thread has actually managed to do quite nicely, thanks to the quality of thinking and expression of shroomery members on both sides of the argument.

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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: visionstream]
    #14230761 - 04/03/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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JoeMolley is exactly the type of person the Illuminati hope to create.
He is guided by his critical thinking skills rather than creativity and intuition. Seems as if what he thinks his intuition is was formed by others. To each their own, I guess it makes you feel good to rain on others' parade. All you do is bash people here. But there are people like you in every community. I guess she shroomery was in need.




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Re: Dear Joe Molloy [Re: NoBrainNoPain]
    #14230765 - 04/03/11 11:30 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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NoBrainNoPain said:
I would not call the psychedelic experience complete bullshit, but I find Joe's posts quite refreshing in the middle of tons on gibberishy new-age speculations full of aliens, crystals, quantum crap and spirits.

I do think too that many of psych users fall easily into a "religious" fervor, thinking that drugs –allies, sorry…– are the only answer to the question of life, universe and everything.



That's Castaneda voodo bullshit youre refering to.
Those guys are lost. I  agree.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Nature Boy]
    #14230772 - 04/03/11 11:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Nature Boy said:
First and foremost, JoeMalloy has a position that many may well learn from, and need to hear.  It is far too easy to slip into mistaken beliefs regarding psychelelics and their usage and effects when there are so many folks out there trying to convince one another of some inherent mystical benefit.  Not only we ourselves on this forum, but (to hold up a few shining, eloquent example) Terrence McKenna, Tim Leary, Joe Rogan, etc.





This is important to understand.  Almost all of the famous psychedelic gurus, supporters, and even scientists have a one sided perspective of these drugs.  We form our own opinions in part with our own experiences and in no small part from drug websites and those eloquent speakers and writers.  I think this explains why so many of us classify our trips as spiritual or mystical, but its interesting that as a teen, my friends and I would trip all the time and NOT ONE OF US ever got a glimpse or hint of spirituality.  This was before the internet and all we knew about acid was that tripping is cool and maybe you'll talk to a tree.  It wasn't until the advent of the internet and the free flow of these mystical psychedelic trips that I suddenly had enlightenment/divine/spiritual trips.  Why all of a sudden?

I suspect that these drugs just amplify, twist, distort, and perhaps sometimes even clarify whatever is haunting your mind.  They are a source of electricity that zaps the imagination, like a nuclear powered daydream.

I've had a trip where Plato's idea of The Forms came to life and they were displayed to me in a way that no textbook or conversation could possibly describe.  I entered the mind of Socrates and watched his thought processes - fucking wild.  Is my understanding of his Forms clearer now?  Not really.  I don't know if I took any knowledge away from that trip, but it felt so damn enlightening.  Can I express what his idea of the Forms really is?  Not any better than before that trip, in fact upon further thought, it feels like that oral DMT + caapi trip just gave me an illusion of knowledge.  It's vacant experiences like this that make me question the utility or value of psychedelics.  I walk away from it with nothing more than a fading WTF moment.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: lasttime]
    #14230789 - 04/03/11 11:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Quote:

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JoeMolley is exactly the type of person the Illuminati hope to create.
He is guided by his critical thinking skills rather than creativity and intuition. Seems as if what he thinks his intuition is was formed by others. To each their own, I guess it makes you feel good to rain on others' parade. All you do is bash people here. But there are people like you in every community. I guess she shroomery was in need.




Excellent display of cult reasoning skills. Good job! Just blame everything on "them"



Well I believe that "they" do an excellent job at forcing their view of reality upon us. They understand how the human mind works. Humans constantly seek comfort and they seem to offer that for us.
The mesoamericans had it figured out -peace with nature; until the English came and forced their beliefs upon them and punished them with death for entheogen use or going against their ways. Since then we have lived in that view.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: visionstream]
    #14230863 - 04/03/11 11:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Let's find those nexus posts real quick......


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14230905 - 04/03/11 12:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Let's find those nexus posts real quick......




I don't get it.  Everything I have posted on the Nexus is exactly in line with my history here - Awe!  Enlightenment?  Struggles.  Bullshit!  I have a bunch of threads there where I articulate the same ideas as here.  It's like you think you know some secrets or something that will somehow nullify my ideas.  Guess what, no one cares as deeply as you.  Get off the dick.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: joemolloy] * 1
    #14230916 - 04/03/11 12:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Why do you need to lie to make yourself look more credible?
We all know you are full of shit with your two master degrees.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14230922 - 04/03/11 12:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm only getting rude now because you told me to get off the dick.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14230943 - 04/03/11 12:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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HyperSpaceMaggot said:
Why do you need to lie to make yourself look more credible?
We all know you are full of shit with your two master degrees.




Those degrees came with a heavy price.  Not only am I handsome, have too much money, too few responsibilities but I am saddled with an exquisite intelligence and a top-notch education that sometimes makes life a chore.  It's too fucking easy but at least I have psychedelics to complicate my life and throw a wrench in the perfect machine.  Stop hating me, I don't hate you because for a moment I look at the world through your eyes and I understand you.  I get it.  Peace.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: joemolloy]
    #14230953 - 04/03/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I dont hate anyone.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14230982 - 04/03/11 12:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hyper -

You're a tool, bro.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: lasttime]
    #14231012 - 04/03/11 12:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Explain how? Don't just spew bullshit with no reasoning. At least joe tries hard at explaining how he feels and i respect him for that. It's hard to do sometimes.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14231018 - 04/03/11 12:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You're a tool because you need to have it explained to you why you're a tool. That's also why you'll probably always be a tool.


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Re: Dear Joe Molloy [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14231027 - 04/03/11 12:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I would not call the psychedelic experience complete bullshit, but I find Joe's posts quite refreshing in the middle of tons on gibberishy new-age speculations full of aliens, crystals, quantum crap and spirits.

I do think too that many of psych users fall easily into a "religious" fervor, thinking that drugs –allies, sorry…– are the only answer to the question of life, universe and everything.



That's Castaneda voodo bullshit youre refering to.
Those guys are lost. I  agree.




Not especially Castaneda…

More the kind of people who coat their psychedelic experiences with pseudo-science and 2012 quantum bullshit about how they can act on the very true fabric of the reality with 5g of cubes…

Don't get me wrong, I do think of psychedelics as great tools to developp and discover spirituality etc., but too many people think they have discovered all the universe's keys after a few trips.

They don't know shit, nobody does…


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Re: Dear Joe Molloy [Re: NoBrainNoPain]
    #14231037 - 04/03/11 12:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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NoBrainNoPain said:
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HyperSpaceMaggot said:
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NoBrainNoPain said:
I would not call the psychedelic experience complete bullshit, but I find Joe's posts quite refreshing in the middle of tons on gibberishy new-age speculations full of aliens, crystals, quantum crap and spirits.

I do think too that many of psych users fall easily into a "religious" fervor, thinking that drugs –allies, sorry…– are the only answer to the question of life, universe and everything.



That's Castaneda voodo bullshit youre refering to.
Those guys are lost. I  agree.




Not especially Castaneda…

More the kind of people who coat their psychedelic experiences with pseudo-science and 2012 quantum bullshit about how they can act on the very true fabric of the reality with 5g of cubes…

Don't get me wrong, I do think of psychedelics as great tools to developp and discover spirituality etc., but too many people think they have discovered all the universe's keys after a few trips.

They don't know shit, nobody does…



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Re: Dear Joe Molloy [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14231051 - 04/03/11 12:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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They don't know shit, nobody does…



I completely agree with you.




I'll drink (bridgesii tea) to that. :toast:
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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: joemolloy]
    #14231121 - 04/03/11 01:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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joemolloy said:
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HyperSpaceMaggot said:
Why do you need to lie to make yourself look more credible?
We all know you are full of shit with your two master degrees.




Those degrees came with a heavy price.  Not only am I handsome, have too much money, too few responsibilities but I am saddled with an exquisite intelligence and a top-notch education that sometimes makes life a chore.  It's too fucking easy but at least I have psychedelics to complicate my life and throw a wrench in the perfect machine.  Stop hating me, I don't hate you because for a moment I look at the world through your eyes and I understand you.  I get it.  Peace.




With this said, Could I ask people take a step off Joe. I know I initiated this, but alot of great input and a good direction was made in this thread. Do not muddy it up with arguing. This turned out to be more about reconcile between two groups who harbor the similar beliefs each to their own, but were not expressing them in a good manner.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
    #14231167 - 04/03/11 01:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Take a step off me to


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14231252 - 04/03/11 01:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Take a step off me to




This. I edited the OP so people just now jumping on board will know the thread has moved away from the OP point and into something different. Along with no more insulting each other.


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Re: Dear Joe Molloy [Re: joemolloy] * 1
    #14231397 - 04/03/11 02:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I realized after years of doing psychedelics that all drug taking behavior boils down to seeking pleasure.




Which action in life doesn't boil down to seeking pleasure or some sort of contentedness, be it carnal or spiritual, Joe?  I'd suggest a good read by Mark Twain entitled What is Man?, if you haven't already read it -- quite interesting psychology in it.

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Ah, but if my quote was "DMT is Enlightenment" you'd have no problem.  You just don't like disagreement.




If your quote were "DMT is Enlightenment," I'd still have a problem because both positions assume way too much.  Nothing is black and white.  There is no such thing as a simple idea in my opinion.

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joemolloy said:
Many of these posters have no idea how to interpret, integrate, or deal with their trips.




And who are you to be the judge of that, Joe?  And even if you are correct in this whole ordeal, you should know from experience that a person positioned with some sort of subjective illumination, in all likelihood, will not want someone to denigrate his experience.

Overall, I applaud you for your skeptical stance on the psychedelic experience in general, even though I believe you're not a pure skeptic.  Any viewpoint should be welcomed by the freethinker.  However, I would like to ask why you choose to continue your usage of psychedelic substances if you think so low of the actual experience.  If you equate it to masturbation, then why not just masturbate?  Psychedelia just doesn't seem suitable for you anymore in my opinion, since you don't place much value in mind/spirit-manifestation.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14231635 - 04/03/11 03:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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HyperSpaceMaggot said:
Why do you need to lie to make yourself look more credible?
We all know you are full of shit with your two master degrees.




Dude you're a tool. adding you to my ignore list

edit: hahah I hadn't seen lasttimes posts before I posted this :lolsy:


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Anthony917]
    #14231731 - 04/03/11 03:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

All relevant and intelligent points, Easyrider. 

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However, I would like to ask why you choose to continue your usage of psychedelic substances if you think so low of the actual experience.  If you equate it to masturbation, then why not just masturbate?  Psychedelia just doesn't seem suitable for you anymore in my opinion, since you don't place much value in mind/spirit-manifestation.




I trip because I still enjoy the experience.  Just like when I was a kid and I tripped before Terence Mckenna, Shroomery, Nexus, Strassman et al had their imprint on me.  Simply recreational with no demands on my sanity or my interpretation of reality.  I've experienced too many hours in breakthrough territory during my oral DMT trips to be interested in the purported spiritual/mystical/secret aspects of the experience any more.  It's boring - I've been there, done it, and literally drank up that purple-pink cum-filled ocean of Everything.  It left me empty.

Now I just trip for a good time and if I have a few laughs, see some pretty shit, and observe my mind do acrobatic backflips then I'm content.  I'm not interested in the mindfuck and pretzel twisting anymore, it was bad for my mental health to be stuck in that maze.  It was just a self reinforcing cycle where I'd go back in to "learn" more and add more "knowledge" to my mental psychedelic library.  The library is closed if it even ever existed.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: joemolloy]
    #14232071 - 04/03/11 04:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I apologize to all I mad upset or for those who think I am a tool. I am not a tool but was acting like one


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14232123 - 04/03/11 05:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:hug:  Not to worry, we still love ya!  :hug:

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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Nature Boy]
    #14232145 - 04/03/11 05:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Definitely!

I hope good came from this thread. I know at the least I understand my fellow shroomerites better then I could have perhaps ever wasn't it for this thread.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Nature Boy]
    #14232336 - 04/03/11 05:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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:hug:  Not to worry, we still love ya!  :hug:

N.B.




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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: joemolloy]
    #14232457 - 04/03/11 06:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

great vibes guys.. anyways this guy gave me a bad rating because of my salvia use, and hes probably never even done it.

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joemolloy said:Those degrees came with a heavy price.  Not only am I handsome, have too much money, too few responsibilities but I am saddled with an exquisite intelligence and a top-notch education that sometimes makes life a chore.
  It's too fucking easy but at least I have psychedelics to complicate my life and throw a wrench in the perfect machine.




not hating but sounds like someones ego is alive and well,
and funny you use that analogy as wrenches fix broken machines.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: SalviNate]
    #14232479 - 04/03/11 06:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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SalviNate said:
great vibes guys.. anyways this guy gave me a bad rating because of my salvia use, and hes probably never even done it.





You needed that rating and certainly deserved it. Salvia?  That's DMT's retarded brother.


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Re: Dear Joe Molloy [Re: easyrider]
    #14232826 - 04/03/11 07:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Which action in life doesn't boil down to seeking pleasure or some sort of contentedness, be it carnal or spiritual, Joe?  I'd suggest a good read by Mark Twain entitled What is Man?, if you haven't already read it -- quite interesting psychology in it.


Easyrider for the win right there.  Some one said this on the first page of the thread but it was ignored somehow, and it was ignored when easyrider said it too. 

It can be said that anything we do is for pleasure/contentedness.  I literally can not word it better than easyrider.  Maybe that "masturbation" is spiritual, or maybe it's carnal (actual masturbation). 

And to paraphrase/quote what the poster on the first page said, it's not like any of us are going around trying to make ourselves miserable...


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: samhandwich]
    #14236831 - 04/04/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I agree with N.B. You can eat an eighth of cubensis and learn alot about yourself and your life because it makes you think on a new perspective. But the problem is people take it too far (which happens with everything in the world) and start going crazy because theyre looking for things that arent there. Theyre looking for absolute truth and universal secrets when its not there.

Psychedelics make crazy people crazier and smart people smarter. I think overall there is alot to be learned about yourself, the world, and life from psychedelics (ask anyone who has had an ayahuasca experience).

I think the problem is people who learn from there psychedelic experiences dont think about what they learned after the experience. If it sounds like crazy bullshit when your sober...then it probably is. But if you have some epiphany and it still makes sense after the trip then its good.
Let me give an example. A few years ago I was hanging out with some retarded people and didn't realize it then I ate a little over an eighth of cubensis and realized that they were going down the wrong the road and didn't know that the fuck they were doing and the more I hang out with them, the more I'd become like them. After the trip I thought about this and hated myself from not realizing it all along. Overall a good realization from mushrooms that benefited me. After that realization I thought that only good thoughts and realizations could come from psychedelics (this is where I think most people go wrong, they have some good realizations and then get cocky and think they will all be good). I thought they were absolute truth. So then I tripped again. During the trip I came to the "realization" that aliens had been living in my house my whole life. I didn't bother to think about it after the trip because I believed that because such good things had come out of the last trip that only good things and truth would come out of this one. I was wrong. After a few weeks I realized the aliens in my house stuff was bullshit.

But my point is that just because you have one good realization doesn't mean they all will be good and you need to think about the shit you realize when youre sober. Have you ever learned something from a dream? Well if you did you obviously didn't learn while you dreaming, you learned something after the dream when you thought about it.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: joemolloy]
    #14310022 - 04/18/11 01:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

So I like to "masturbate" and I find it spiritually enlightening. Pleasure is good. I dont see see why either side gets flamed everyone has their own ideas and beliefs. It doesn't matter to me though my faith and belief is too strong to be destroyed by an "average Joe"! 
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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Cactilove]
    #14310087 - 04/18/11 01:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i like how you post that as if you KNOW there is a god...

ill laugh when you die and there's nothing :lol:


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Anthony917]
    #14310137 - 04/18/11 01:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Trips are subjective. what you take from them can be life changing. But don't assume you hit the enlightenment jack pot. Because in "reality" your just as ignorant as you were before. No matter how many drugs you do they wont give you all the answers.

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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Anthony917]
    #14310186 - 04/18/11 01:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Wouldn't you like to know there is a god? ha ha. I sense some jealousy. And if there isn't anything I wouldn't be disappointed cause I'd be dead! Get it? Yes I know it's possible there may be nothing. We won't know till we die but I choose to believe because it feels right to me. Do what feels right. All I know is that in my own personal reality I know the creator exists. If he doesn't I'll still die believing. You may make me question my faith but will never destroy it. Now if you want to play nice than let's otherwise lets wait till we die. I usually don't bring up my beliefs cause I get flamed but I felt brave.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: collie man]
    #14310191 - 04/18/11 01:55 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hell ya well put. But isn't it good enough in this life to feel enlightened?


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: joemolloy]
    #14310202 - 04/18/11 02:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I realized after years of doing psychedelics that all drug taking behavior boils down to seeking pleasure.  Even if one hopes for a painful experience, they believe in the long run that it will ultimately bring pleasure.  Oneness with the universe, divinity, and all the rest of the excuses boil down to feeling good.  It's jerking off.  Psychedelics are masturbation - that's a fucking insight that pisses people off.  The only problem with them is that they are inconsistent and often lead to bad trips which is why the honeymoon soon ends many just smoke weed instead.  I feel integration is just rationalization to continue to ingest these substances.  I'm not angry, I'm a New Yorker with a shit sarcastic attitude and a damn accurate bullshit detector.




Pleasure seeking is a noble aim but few seeking it are willing to take short term pain for long term gain.  Power to those who do.  Feeling good is divine even if it's done by mental masturbation Joe.  How do you do that, i want some.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: farmer88]
    #14310209 - 04/18/11 02:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yesssssssss!


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Cactilove]
    #14310275 - 04/18/11 02:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Joe, why do you care so much what people think when they trip? So what if people see angels or discover the meaning of life for 5 mins.
 
so you are a rational user.... who's found jesus. Awesome buddy! go and spread some love rather than infecting us with your hate.
I really do think you have some great points to make and you challenge people which is good, but the approach you have is just destructive. It just makes people defensive and not want to listen.
This is probably why you are on forums venting because people in reality just walk away right?

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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Miss Match]
    #14311619 - 04/18/11 12:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:seriousbusiness:  lol


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Eat LSD]
    #14311741 - 04/18/11 12:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Dude fuck this thread and realllly fuck the two follow up threads that made it worse. My thread had a solid purpose which was served and then people had to make more and give joe his superior complex


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
    #14312683 - 04/18/11 03:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Dude fuck this thread and realllly fuck the two follow up threads that made it worse. My thread had a solid purpose which was served and then people had to make more and give joe his superior complex




I don't agree. I think anyone who gets banned that is an important (and even infamous I guess) member of the community should be talked about.

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    #14312698 - 04/18/11 03:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: bholzer] * 1
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Dude fuck this thread and realllly fuck the two follow up threads that made it worse. My thread had a solid purpose which was served and then people had to make more and give joe his superior complex




I don't agree. I think anyone who gets banned that is an important (and even infamous I guess) member of the community should be talked about.

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Dude get off his nuts you and the other guy. He's banned because he's a d bag. There's plenty of other people here to tell the noobs when they're going over board and getting delirious. Ingfact I haven't seen a thread in a long time where someone was super convinced that they could access access divine secrets & shit to the point its obviously unhealthy. And I've been here on three different accounts for over a year. Ill tell people and have told people not to get too carried away with the mysticism shit. But I wasn't an over the top self righteous asshole.

Every time someone makes a thread and they say "oooh I learned this or that or this is how psychs benefit me" , joe would follow up with a completely uncalled insulting rhetoric comment
In my thread, I called him out. It was a thought provactive thread and the point was we all have ideas about the experience, all of its subjectional but in this fourm there was way too much negativity over expressing opinions. Joe got the picture and IMd me. Then more threads came up and there went his humbleness. You other people took my attempt at reconciliation and fed the monster.

"As an important and infamous...". ... SHUT UP. He brought a balance that isn't gone because he is. And that type of ego inflating shit is what I expect to hear from the dumb asses in my school classes when they talk about celebrities. This place has become the "The joemolloy Experience"
More then the "The Psychedelic Experience" and fuck it to that changes.


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    #14316938 - 04/19/11 11:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Wouldn't you like to know there is a god? ha ha. I sense some jealousy. And if there isn't anything I wouldn't be disappointed cause I'd be dead! Get it? Yes I know it's possible there may be nothing. We won't know till we die but I choose to believe because it feels right to me. Do what feels right. All I know is that in my own personal reality I know the creator exists. If he doesn't I'll still die believing. You may make me question my faith but will never destroy it. Now if you want to play nice than let's otherwise lets wait till we die. I usually don't bring up my beliefs cause I get flamed but I felt brave.




Yes I would like to KNOW there is a god, but that is impossible to know. There is no way you will ever be able to prove to me that god exists, so based on my personal experiences, I choose to believe that god doesn't exist.
I don't need to believe in a god to make my existence here feel worthwhile, and I am not in the least bit saddened by the prospect of there being no god.

I love life, and I will cherish it until I die, and there's nothing.

Edit: BTW Abstrakt don't you see how you're being a douchebag by talking all this shit about Joe? You've insulted him countless times in this thread alone, and IMO YOU deserve a ban for that.
Leave the guy alone. He has his opinion, and you have yours. His obviously offends you because he challenges your point of view and brings method to the madness. I think Joe is a great member of this community. Maybe YOU should get off his nuts :shrug:


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    #14317049 - 04/19/11 12:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Edit: BTW Abstrakt don't you see how you're being a douchebag by talking all this shit about Joe? You've insulted him countless times in this thread alone, and IMO YOU deserve a ban for that.
Leave the guy alone. He has his opinion, and you have yours. His obviously offends you because he challenges your point of view and brings method to the madness. I think Joe is a great member of this community. Maybe YOU should get off his nuts :shrug:






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With this said, Could I ask people take a step off Joe. I know I initiated this, but alot of great input and a good direction was made in this thread. Do not muddy it up with arguing. This turned out to be more about reconcile between two groups who harbor the similar beliefs each to their own, but were not expressing them in a good manner.




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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Anthony917]
    #14317095 - 04/19/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Anthony917 said:and IMO YOU deserve a ban for that.





Personally, I don't think anyone deserves a ban for expressing their ideas or opinions, even if emotions get in the way. Banning limits potential insight, and IMO insight is what we all want.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #14317117 - 04/19/11 12:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

true, but abstrakt is just straight up flaming/trolling joe and constantly insulting him. Idk, I just think it's a bit rude. :shrug:

maybe not ban-worthy, but still pretty lame imo


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Anthony917]
    #14317166 - 04/19/11 12:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Them thangs happen, but they happen and people learn thangs from those thangs happenin'

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EDIT: If your reading this for the first time. Read through the thread for an interesting change. No insulting Joe, Me or anyone else at this point.




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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #14317170 - 04/19/11 12:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It is rude, but also if it weren't for him being rude, he wouldn't have stopped being rude.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Anthony917] * 1
    #14317455 - 04/19/11 01:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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true, but abstrakt is just straight up flaming/trolling joe and constantly insulting him. Idk, I just think it's a bit rude. :shrug:

maybe not ban-worthy, but still pretty lame imo




Trolling?, please.

I went on a pissy rant yesterday and it was THE ONLY time, in the year plus I've been here.
You know why I started flaming joe? Because having reasonable conversations, asking him, having others ask him to respect the community and assert his opinions in a less confrontational way didn't sink in his dense cinder block head. Hes got a good view on psych's he can express all he wants and I'm fine with that. But when he makes insulting narrow minded rhetoric comments then ends them with "yeah I know,fuck me!" Or "bring on the hater fuckers".. hes provoking people. You guys think he's here on his own decision to help the community...:grin:

Yet all he does is shit on peoples positive experiences. I don't see him responding to bad trip reports to comfort someone when they probally would perfer to believe "its all bullshit." He said he has a degree in psychology, he knows what he's doing. Playing peoples strings, and here to knock on people. He's like a little kid with a balloon that popped, he sees everyone else having a good time with their balloons so now he's out to pop as many peoples balloons as he can.

So you can call me a d baggg bruh. What ever. Your completely ignorant to any insight of my one day joe slamming which makes your comment about my personality or who I am pretty far offf the point. I was silent for months. Then tried to reconcile for the whole community which I mostly love. But nice people get walked on. Joes too fat mouthed to hear so in response to his bullshit insult slewing, this is how I feel about him til he seriously lightens up  :flipthebird:

There now that you've been briefed here's my 2 cents. Don't go choosing sides or calling anyone aka myself a d bag or making comments like you did. It was apparent you didn't read through thread and when you say stuff ignorant to the situation. Your going to always hypocritical automatically level your self with that person.

Have a nice day.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
    #14317497 - 04/19/11 01:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Dude you are so oblivious to your own douchebaggery it's ridiculous.

I agree, Joe can be condescending, but you're no better than him by continuing to insult him. Especially now when he can't even respond :facepalm:

Also, I posted on the second page of this thread, I know what's going on.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Anthony917]
    #14317587 - 04/19/11 01:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

So calling someone out for being a dick now makes you douche bag?  Some things have to be said.

Condescending is very much an understatement.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Anthony917]
    #14317598 - 04/19/11 01:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Anthony
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His obviously offends you because he challenges your point of view and brings method to the madness. I think Joe is a great member of this community. Maybe YOU should get off his nuts :shrug:





Sorry for the double post but I just caught this. His nuts? Jesus you can't analyze a situation full and full very well.

Lemme tell you, I have thanked joe for his ways of keeping me grounded, at one point after a heavy acid trip I needed some radical thinking. But nothing joe says offends me or gets under my skin or could shake my beliefs lol. I've soberly had enough out there experiences to know the psychedelic experience isn't all bullshit. I've seen ghost, I can vouch that's not bullshit. When I went to Hati on vaction, a medicine man or shaman preformed only what I could call levitation. There weren't wires, I wasn't intoxicated and being so fucking out there that's a story I don't share IRL often. I don't share many of my experiences, I humbly ponder them.

And I'm a signed recording artist who has to deal with empty souled shit heads 24/7. People who don't believe in anything more then their successful lives, big bank roles, materialism and wifes with big silicone titties, they also like joe don't believe in anything more then drugs just effecting your brain weirdly. But their drug of choice is coke hahaha. Yet though I can't be lured into that lifestyle or way of thinking even if I have the choice to endulge in them.

Because I humbly, humbly know.. their is a lot more to life, our existence, death ect ect. Then any of us will ever know.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Anthony917]
    #14317657 - 04/19/11 02:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Dude you are so oblivious to your own douchebaggery it's ridiculous.

I agree, Joe can be condescending, but you're no better than him by continuing to insult him. Especially now when he can't even respond :facepalm:

Also, I posted on the second page of this thread, I know what's going on.




I never said I wasn't aware I was being a douche bag. I admit in one of my post yesterday I'm being a ragin prick. Oh i don't think its unfair if he can't respond, he gets more time to think out a reply. And two I don't have an issue with anyone but joe. So why come in here and conflict with me. Why ressurect some shit I was ready to drop for good yesterday. You know do what you want. Say what you will . You threw yourself into this when it wasn't about me and you. Your wasting my time. I never wanted to get to the point where all I felt I could do was bash joe. Conflicting not for me. I'm done.

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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
    #14318268 - 04/19/11 04:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You're pretty immature man, I'm not trying to be a prick but I felt like you were outta line all along. If you didn't want other peoples input then you shouldn't have posted online.

whatever though, I really don't give a shit so :shrug:


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    #14320668 - 04/19/11 11:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Cool Well If your atheist more power to ya. If that's what you believe than don't let me tell ya any different!


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    #14321180 - 04/20/11 01:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

not atheist, I just know that nobody actually KNOWS anything


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He never said that dmt was bad.


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He never said that dmt was bad.




Yea. In fact, he loves it.


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    #14366956 - 04/28/11 01:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

We got a troll on your hands.


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    #15041299 - 09/07/11 06:08 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

While your personal experiences are absolutely valid...there is also an abundant amount of objective scientific evidence which doesn't disprove god, but it strongly suggests the incompatibility between our understanding of the Universe and the general human-man notion of a higher being.

Ultimately, straw that breaks the camels back (at least for me) is that life on Earth is soooooooooooooooo complicated, the Universe and the laws within it are soooooooooo complex, any "creator" would have to be many orders of magnitude MORE complex that the entire Universe as a whole.  So, it's not just that there is no evidence FOR god, it's not just that most of the evidence points AWAY from a creator, logically it just doesn't seem possible.

This JoeMolly guy is clearly a few bricks short...but it should be remembered that in our modern society, freedom of speech is one of the greatest freedoms we have.  Who are a bunch of trippers to censor some guy that too much and possibly wasn't able to handle it.  I'm not arguing or disagreeing with the decisions the OPs made, I'm just making a point.  Suppression of any voice removes a point of view...and the one of the great ways humans validate themselves is by comparing to other views and opinions.  JUST SAYIN


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