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Offlinegabbaganchi
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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Boheim]
    #14230500 - 04/03/11 10:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

im glad that this issue is being discussed.
working towards etsablishing a dialogue between multiple viewpoints within an organization is the precursor to a (hopefully) sane dialogue in the wider world.


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Offlinevisionstream
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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Boheim] * 1
    #14230522 - 04/03/11 10:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

JoeMolley is exactly the type of person the Illuminati hope to create.
He is guided by his critical thinking skills rather than creativity and intuition. Seems as if what he thinks his intuition is was formed by others. To each their own, I guess it makes you feel good to rain on others' parade. All you do is bash people here. But there are people like you in every community. I guess she shroomery was in need.


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OfflineNature Boy
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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
    #14230549 - 04/03/11 10:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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AbstraKt_I_Am said:
I had an issue with how it was done, because it was causing clashes and issues. I mean when you go, "DMT is bullshit." "Bring on the hate"...




Yeah, I saw that, and I believe I actually made a comment in that thread...but I think when I read them, I understood those words to represent JoeMalloy's position compressed and expressed in a rather brilliant "economy of words" best interpreted in conjunction with other and further things previously written by him on the subject...so I took little exception to them.

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So I know If I was posting my first heavy trip. I wouldn't want anyone telling me they've experienced way more and it all leads to bullshit. That could be a fucking bummer to hear that.




Why not???  You might need to hear those words.  In any event, in the LONG RUN (which is apparently where JoeMolloy's position originates) a person, through their DMT experiences, may eventually come full-circle, realize and conclude (just as JM seems to have) that it really IS an experience empty of "true" meaning or importance.  You may, yourself, eventually conclude DMT is just another powerful, short acting psychedelic that only gives a temporary, entheogenic experience with no lasting benefit, if you stick with it long enough.  After four years, I'm tending to agree with that notion.

So...please try not to be so quick to judge the validity of his position.  It certainly cannot be said to be utterly INVALID, and therefore deserves to be held up to scrutiny, which I think this thread has actually managed to do quite nicely, thanks to the quality of thinking and expression of shroomery members on both sides of the argument.

N.B.


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Offlinelasttime
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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: visionstream]
    #14230761 - 04/03/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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visionstream said:
JoeMolley is exactly the type of person the Illuminati hope to create.
He is guided by his critical thinking skills rather than creativity and intuition. Seems as if what he thinks his intuition is was formed by others. To each their own, I guess it makes you feel good to rain on others' parade. All you do is bash people here. But there are people like you in every community. I guess she shroomery was in need.




Excellent display of cult reasoning skills. Good job! Just blame everything on "them"


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OfflineHyperSpaceMaggot
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Re: Dear Joe Molloy [Re: NoBrainNoPain]
    #14230765 - 04/03/11 11:30 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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NoBrainNoPain said:
I would not call the psychedelic experience complete bullshit, but I find Joe's posts quite refreshing in the middle of tons on gibberishy new-age speculations full of aliens, crystals, quantum crap and spirits.

I do think too that many of psych users fall easily into a "religious" fervor, thinking that drugs –allies, sorry…– are the only answer to the question of life, universe and everything.



That's Castaneda voodo bullshit youre refering to.
Those guys are lost. I  agree.


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Invisiblejoemolloy
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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Nature Boy]
    #14230772 - 04/03/11 11:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Nature Boy said:
First and foremost, JoeMalloy has a position that many may well learn from, and need to hear.  It is far too easy to slip into mistaken beliefs regarding psychelelics and their usage and effects when there are so many folks out there trying to convince one another of some inherent mystical benefit.  Not only we ourselves on this forum, but (to hold up a few shining, eloquent example) Terrence McKenna, Tim Leary, Joe Rogan, etc.





This is important to understand.  Almost all of the famous psychedelic gurus, supporters, and even scientists have a one sided perspective of these drugs.  We form our own opinions in part with our own experiences and in no small part from drug websites and those eloquent speakers and writers.  I think this explains why so many of us classify our trips as spiritual or mystical, but its interesting that as a teen, my friends and I would trip all the time and NOT ONE OF US ever got a glimpse or hint of spirituality.  This was before the internet and all we knew about acid was that tripping is cool and maybe you'll talk to a tree.  It wasn't until the advent of the internet and the free flow of these mystical psychedelic trips that I suddenly had enlightenment/divine/spiritual trips.  Why all of a sudden?

I suspect that these drugs just amplify, twist, distort, and perhaps sometimes even clarify whatever is haunting your mind.  They are a source of electricity that zaps the imagination, like a nuclear powered daydream.

I've had a trip where Plato's idea of The Forms came to life and they were displayed to me in a way that no textbook or conversation could possibly describe.  I entered the mind of Socrates and watched his thought processes - fucking wild.  Is my understanding of his Forms clearer now?  Not really.  I don't know if I took any knowledge away from that trip, but it felt so damn enlightening.  Can I express what his idea of the Forms really is?  Not any better than before that trip, in fact upon further thought, it feels like that oral DMT + caapi trip just gave me an illusion of knowledge.  It's vacant experiences like this that make me question the utility or value of psychedelics.  I walk away from it with nothing more than a fading WTF moment.


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Offlinevisionstream
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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: lasttime]
    #14230789 - 04/03/11 11:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

lasttime said:
Quote:

visionstream said:
JoeMolley is exactly the type of person the Illuminati hope to create.
He is guided by his critical thinking skills rather than creativity and intuition. Seems as if what he thinks his intuition is was formed by others. To each their own, I guess it makes you feel good to rain on others' parade. All you do is bash people here. But there are people like you in every community. I guess she shroomery was in need.




Excellent display of cult reasoning skills. Good job! Just blame everything on "them"



Well I believe that "they" do an excellent job at forcing their view of reality upon us. They understand how the human mind works. Humans constantly seek comfort and they seem to offer that for us.
The mesoamericans had it figured out -peace with nature; until the English came and forced their beliefs upon them and punished them with death for entheogen use or going against their ways. Since then we have lived in that view.


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OfflineHyperSpaceMaggot
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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: visionstream]
    #14230863 - 04/03/11 11:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Let's find those nexus posts real quick......


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Invisiblejoemolloy
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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14230905 - 04/03/11 12:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

HyperSpaceMaggot said:
Let's find those nexus posts real quick......




I don't get it.  Everything I have posted on the Nexus is exactly in line with my history here - Awe!  Enlightenment?  Struggles.  Bullshit!  I have a bunch of threads there where I articulate the same ideas as here.  It's like you think you know some secrets or something that will somehow nullify my ideas.  Guess what, no one cares as deeply as you.  Get off the dick.


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OfflineHyperSpaceMaggot
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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: joemolloy] * 1
    #14230916 - 04/03/11 12:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Why do you need to lie to make yourself look more credible?
We all know you are full of shit with your two master degrees.


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OfflineHyperSpaceMaggot
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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14230922 - 04/03/11 12:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm only getting rude now because you told me to get off the dick.


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Invisiblejoemolloy
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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14230943 - 04/03/11 12:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

HyperSpaceMaggot said:
Why do you need to lie to make yourself look more credible?
We all know you are full of shit with your two master degrees.




Those degrees came with a heavy price.  Not only am I handsome, have too much money, too few responsibilities but I am saddled with an exquisite intelligence and a top-notch education that sometimes makes life a chore.  It's too fucking easy but at least I have psychedelics to complicate my life and throw a wrench in the perfect machine.  Stop hating me, I don't hate you because for a moment I look at the world through your eyes and I understand you.  I get it.  Peace.


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OfflineHyperSpaceMaggot
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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: joemolloy]
    #14230953 - 04/03/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I dont hate anyone.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14230982 - 04/03/11 12:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hyper -

You're a tool, bro.


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OfflineHyperSpaceMaggot
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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: lasttime]
    #14231012 - 04/03/11 12:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Explain how? Don't just spew bullshit with no reasoning. At least joe tries hard at explaining how he feels and i respect him for that. It's hard to do sometimes.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14231018 - 04/03/11 12:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You're a tool because you need to have it explained to you why you're a tool. That's also why you'll probably always be a tool.


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OfflineNoBrainNoPain
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Re: Dear Joe Molloy [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14231027 - 04/03/11 12:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

HyperSpaceMaggot said:
Quote:

NoBrainNoPain said:
I would not call the psychedelic experience complete bullshit, but I find Joe's posts quite refreshing in the middle of tons on gibberishy new-age speculations full of aliens, crystals, quantum crap and spirits.

I do think too that many of psych users fall easily into a "religious" fervor, thinking that drugs –allies, sorry…– are the only answer to the question of life, universe and everything.



That's Castaneda voodo bullshit youre refering to.
Those guys are lost. I  agree.




Not especially Castaneda…

More the kind of people who coat their psychedelic experiences with pseudo-science and 2012 quantum bullshit about how they can act on the very true fabric of the reality with 5g of cubes…

Don't get me wrong, I do think of psychedelics as great tools to developp and discover spirituality etc., but too many people think they have discovered all the universe's keys after a few trips.

They don't know shit, nobody does…


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OfflineHyperSpaceMaggot
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Re: Dear Joe Molloy [Re: NoBrainNoPain]
    #14231037 - 04/03/11 12:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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NoBrainNoPain said:
Quote:

HyperSpaceMaggot said:
Quote:

NoBrainNoPain said:
I would not call the psychedelic experience complete bullshit, but I find Joe's posts quite refreshing in the middle of tons on gibberishy new-age speculations full of aliens, crystals, quantum crap and spirits.

I do think too that many of psych users fall easily into a "religious" fervor, thinking that drugs –allies, sorry…– are the only answer to the question of life, universe and everything.



That's Castaneda voodo bullshit youre refering to.
Those guys are lost. I  agree.




Not especially Castaneda…

More the kind of people who coat their psychedelic experiences with pseudo-science and 2012 quantum bullshit about how they can act on the very true fabric of the reality with 5g of cubes…

Don't get me wrong, I do think of psychedelics as great tools to developp and discover spirituality etc., but too many people think they have discovered all the universe's keys after a few trips.

They don't know shit, nobody does…



I completely agree with you.


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Invisiblejoemolloy
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Re: Dear Joe Molloy [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14231051 - 04/03/11 12:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:



They don't know shit, nobody does…



I completely agree with you.




I'll drink (bridgesii tea) to that. :toast:
I still think I am on to something though.


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: joemolloy]
    #14231121 - 04/03/11 01:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

joemolloy said:
Quote:

HyperSpaceMaggot said:
Why do you need to lie to make yourself look more credible?
We all know you are full of shit with your two master degrees.




Those degrees came with a heavy price.  Not only am I handsome, have too much money, too few responsibilities but I am saddled with an exquisite intelligence and a top-notch education that sometimes makes life a chore.  It's too fucking easy but at least I have psychedelics to complicate my life and throw a wrench in the perfect machine.  Stop hating me, I don't hate you because for a moment I look at the world through your eyes and I understand you.  I get it.  Peace.




With this said, Could I ask people take a step off Joe. I know I initiated this, but alot of great input and a good direction was made in this thread. Do not muddy it up with arguing. This turned out to be more about reconcile between two groups who harbor the similar beliefs each to their own, but were not expressing them in a good manner.


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