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Anthony917
why dont we do it in the road



Registered: 05/14/09
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HyperSpaceMaggot said: What in the FUCK does sociology, and biology have to do with hyperspace? I think youre just getting a wild hair up your ass because you started taking some community college classes.
and you are in some delusional headspace and believe that psychedelics are a gateway into the truth... I agree with Joe here, you're the one who has a problem with his rational approach to psychedelics, likely because you are too "enlightened" to believe that your precious drugs are, in fact, just another way to get fucked up.
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floatingwater
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Personally, I attach significance to things and ideas because I feel there is a chance that everything is meaningless.
And that sucks like a vacuum. Why make it all black and white, pleasure and pain, good and bad, life or death? It's up to you to put in the energy and make your life the way you want it to be.
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Anthony917
why dont we do it in the road



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floatingwater said: Personally, I attach significance to things and ideas because I feel there is a chance that everything is meaningless.
And that sucks like a vacuum. Why make it all black and white, pleasure and pain, good and bad, life or death? It's up to you to put in the energy and make your life the way you want it to be.
even if everything IS meaningless (which I think it is) why does that have to affect your ability to live an awesome life?? I don't care if life is meaningless because I don't NEED there to BE meaning. I am satisfied with just enjoying my experiences. You can still have fun, and love, and do whatever the fuck you want...there doesn't need to be a point.
-------------------- Prisoner#1 said: I got my ass kicked by a 9yo when I was 17 Trippin? Click Me
What is life? I'm tired of life...
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HyperSpaceMaggot
Uncle Creepy


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If i look at things with joes "rationality" my Messiah Yeshua, my purpose, my gift from God means nothing ans pointless. Fuck that.
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Anthony917
why dont we do it in the road



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HyperSpaceMaggot said: If i look at things with joes "rationality" my Messiah Yeshua, my purpose, my gift from God means nothing ans pointless. Fuck that.
well there you go, you just admitted that you are threatened by his rationality, and that if you looked at the world through his eyes, everything you believe would be discredited. "You" don't have a purpose, "You" are not special and "You" don't even really exist.
-------------------- Prisoner#1 said: I got my ass kicked by a 9yo when I was 17 Trippin? Click Me
What is life? I'm tired of life...
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HyperSpaceMaggot
Uncle Creepy


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blah blah blah mistor scientist
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LuckeyMA
I catapult downtown...



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Joe you are coming off like you are here to educate everyone... and how great that is of you. But it condescending to go into someones thread who feels like they just had a mystical experience and try to shut them down. Because YOU know more than them.
The most intelligent people I have ever meet or read have a humbleness to there teaching. Yeah you can argue well. Well great, but I myself do not come here for that. I like to share and read other people experience's while on these mind-expanding drug.
The argument about drugs are drugs is true, but its a cope out. All drugs are drugs but the "spiritual" nature of drugs like lsd, dmt, mescaline, mushrooms, aya, and so on is anyone can take them. Its all about what you do with them. If your taking them just for pleasure or to get fucked up you are missing out BIG time. And curiously enough it takes work to get to these amazing places on these drugs. Thats why I believe they are more than your common drug. They have potential to lift the veil of everyday reality.
So you say that Muhammad meet an Angel and Christ raised from the dead. And since they were sober their experiences are valid? Why is someone who reaches a "christ-consciousness" on LSD any less enlightened. Why can't these drugs, or better yet entheogens be gifts to humanity from God to aid us in evolution.
I just think it is counterproductive to go in to some thread where someone just had one of the most amazing experience's of there life and is looking to share and be positive about it... Who knows maybe they have just started their path toward enlightenment... And you feel you gotta come in and make sure that you lay your dogma on them. Its like you are trying to spark doubt. We need as many like minded free minds as possible, why try to use your intellect to create doubt.
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joemolloy
DMT is Bullshit


Registered: 04/12/09
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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: LuckeyMA]
#14226977 - 04/02/11 04:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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LuckeyMA said: Joe you are coming off like you are here to educate everyone... and how great that is of you. But it condescending to go into someones thread who feels like they just had a mystical experience and try to shut them down. Because YOU know more than them.
If someone posts their trip on the internet, they are looking for feedback. Many of these posters have no idea how to interpret, integrate, or deal with their trips. My voice is one of many on this forum and the trippers can take or leave my conjectures, advice, and conclusions.
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HyperSpaceMaggot
Uncle Creepy


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I think you are lying out of your ass about the two master degrees. IMHO
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LuckeyMA
I catapult downtown...



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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: joemolloy] 2
#14227093 - 04/02/11 05:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sure they can, but when the openly try to leave it you insist on continuing to push your opinion. There is a Religion, spiritual and other place on the shroomery. The Psychedelic Experience... to me, is about sharing the beautiful, mind-expanding trip we all go on. How can you argue or disagree with someone else's experience?
Further more WHO are you to question someone else's experience. You weren't there, you didn't go through it.
So you think enlightenment does not lie in the psychedelic exp. great we get it. Just don't come in this part of the forum and be Debbie downer.
-------------------- "Consciousness survives the death of the body on which it rides"... *Disclaimer* Everything written from this account are meant for amusement purposes ONLY. Everything written or posted from this account are NOT TRUE.
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joemolloy
DMT is Bullshit


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HyperSpaceMaggot said: I think you are lying out of your ass about the two master degrees. IMHO
And I'm a handsome fucker too.
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AbstraKt_I_Am

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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: joemolloy] 1
#14227495 - 04/02/11 06:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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HyperSpaceMaggot said: I think you are lying out of your ass about the two master degrees. IMHO
And I'm a handsome fucker too.
Lol I was gonna quote that and throw it in the OP. Seriously this isn't a hate club on Joe.
My experiences with psychedelics. I take them with an approach that "The more I experience the less I know". Its gives me perception of reality thats puzzling. Thats what I appreciate. Fuck this thread has went from me being pissy this morning to being split down the middle of the debate.
I know if I didn't read a few of Joes threads after my first LSD trip I could have ended up in trouble at the rate I was spewing out "I know theres energy fields around us" type of thing. Joe you did bring a grounding to me when I first was experimenting with heavy doses. Thank you as I never tried to discredit your ideas worth.
This thread ended up really making me look at things in this way, Myself personally I see really rational skeptical pych users and really spiritual mystical pych users pushing what they feel they know on each other in this shitty way. Me I feel I sit on the side line of pondering and the idea of possibility, but never being sure of what Ive experienced.
Heres I guess the point of the OP, what the fuck do any of us really know. None of us know about shit. We think we know. Keyword think. And life might not have a purpose but it does have meaning. Does it not mean shit to any of you when you tell someone you care about love them, or does it not mean shit you have accomplishments. Of course it fucking does, meaning is something that can be felt.
So heres my example of why Joe should tone down the heavily opinionated forced response especially in the trip reports of others. Psychedelics have done something beneficial for most of us all. PERIOD. Weather you felt an extra appreciation for nature, had a concept of reality shattered and perspective opened or now feel more comfortable with death. Thats a good thing, you benefited. Even if it was short lived for some of us. But when I went from being confined to my house over post traumatic stress except for having a bottle of Xannax on me to actually getting over it all in a fucking day over a trip, the last thing I would of needed is someone with vast experience in psychedelics telling me it was a load of shit.(But it wasn't because I haven't had a panic attack a day since.IMO) And I feel for new trippers on here esp the ones who started with the intent of trying to fix that fucked up thing they live with using psychedelics. They shouldn't be at risk of having that watered down. We already have a big fucked up society doing that 24/7 with it is. See someone write a report about their life being dramatically changed, who gives a fuck if the god they encountered was a bunch of chemicals or a from a different plane of existence. Why not be happy this human has something beautiful just given to them, a better view of life. A better quality. Why not be happy for them? What ever it is though, you might as well just insult them directly to their face if you wanna shit on their experience. Essentially its what your doing.
Joe.. Like I mentioned with my Lsd trip, even though Im sure it was rash and blunt something you said helped ground me a bit. I have gratitude for that. But why not do it in a subtle way or one that doesn't necessary impose on ending the value to their experience. I have no doubt more people will go from radical views to more rational ones but you could let them find that view on their own. Or You could easily make your point in a way that could earn you alot of respect and not push this counter culture into a split. I seriously feel like I just watched two separate groups go against each other that would find the most benefit in growing into each other and not picking sides. Exchanging ideas is great. Dick slapping opinions in each others faces is like catholic vs Christians. Childish bullshit.
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joemolloy
DMT is Bullshit


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I get it dude, its cool brother. We might not agree on everything, but we do think these drugs are pretty damn wacky and can be a hell of a lot of fun and that unites us in a special way and separates us from the rest of the world. Peace.
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HyperSpaceMaggot
Uncle Creepy


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You're posts here don't match up with what you said on the nexus....
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healing
Strangest


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ITT: Blah blah blah.
They don't want you to be an asshole. You can disagree, and you can explain why, but do it nicely or don't do it at all.
I frequently agree with your opinions. I am not the kind of person who finds mystical nonsense in my trips, I do not believe in that kind of spirituality. My spirituality comes from observation and the scientific method. If it can't be scientifically proven, then it doesn't exist, and if you believe otherwise, then I'm sorry, but you're wrong. If you really took the time to learn what was going on inside your brain when you trip, you'd see that the beliefs you gain through tripping are still only beliefs.
There is only one thing in the universe that does not require people to believe. That thing is science and you don't have to believe in it because it can be demonstrated for you.
So here's what it boils down to: The disillusioned asshole with the capacity for rational thought against the mob of people who are entitled to their beliefs.
Stop fighting them. You can't win. The psychedelic experience is to powerful to work against. You can't prove that what they believe is stupid unless they already want to believe it's stupid.
If you're really frustrated by how ignorant these people can be, then seek out people like me. Seek out people like yourself and get all that negative shit out of your system before you insult the belief systems that others have built for themselves.
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Harri


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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: healing]
#14228089 - 04/02/11 08:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Joe molly has a very good perspective on the psychedelic experience, a lot of you guys do, most are a little on the cultish side and believe in some delirious stuff but you make your own reality so who cares, none of you know the truth behind life (if there even is one) take these awesome chemicals and enjoy the insights they help you discover or hate the downward spiral of delirium that some of you guys are falling into, either way your not right, just guessing and drawing conclusions from your subjective evidence.
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floatingwater
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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Harri] 1
#14228295 - 04/02/11 09:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well shiiitt.. guess we're all right back in the same place
nice doing business with all of you
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I AM SWIM
doin' thangs



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AbstraKt_I_Am said: Heres I guess the point of the OP, what the fuck do any of us really know. None of us know about shit. We think we know. Keyword think. And life might not have a purpose but it does have meaning. Does it not mean shit to any of you when you tell someone you care about love them, or does it not mean shit you have accomplishments. Of course it fucking does, meaning is something that can be felt.

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BTW: WISE WORDS FROM JOE...ROGAN!!
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gabbaganchi
version 4.3


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please don't leave us, joe. i don't really agree with you much of the time, but we need a Gadfly around here. especially here.
that's right, he's Socratic. he challenges the notions, and does a damn good job presenting his case.
p.s. everything is bullshit.
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HyperSpaceMaggot
Uncle Creepy


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The only thing I believe is what i can see. I don't believe in oxygen because I am rational and have 2 ph.ds
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