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lasttime
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AHAHAHHAH, If only you joemolly haters realized exactly how hypocritical you are being.
On the contrary, Joe is one of the most refreshing posters I have encountered on the shroomery.
I have been to "the top" of Nirvana. I have melted into infinity, etc., but I still find myself agreeing with Joe 95% of the time.
I guess in your "enlightening" experiences you never learned what tolerance is.
Having been sober for about a year now, I find myself agreeing with Joe more all the time. Some of you are just desperate to discover an "enlightenment" that doesn't exist.
That's not to say there isn't much to be learned from the psychedelic experience.
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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Joolz]
#14226009 - 04/02/11 01:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don' think anyone should press their opinions too hard on anyone else, but i would have to agree with joe molly on some of his statements. I observe a lot of people in real life and on the shroomery who perceive psychedelics as a way to enlightenment or higherbeing-ness in some sort of way and thats honestly not the case. Now i wouldn't say their isnt something "special" about mushrooms or peyote or dmt.
Be honest with yourselves shroomerites, question your motives and ideals. You may just find you like getting really high/fucked up, seeing really cool shit, and thinking in amazingly deep ways.
Edited by Everything (04/02/11 01:15 PM)
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If ultimately bringing pleasure equates to masturbation ( )... then isn't all of life just "masturbation"? I mean who walks through life saying, "I want to make this ride more miserable for myself."?
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lasttime
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jvm said: Haha, goddamn right. I was reading the thread and getting angry.
He seems to have a bitterness to his experiences or lack there of on dmt. I don't know what you're searching for Joe, but i hope you are looking within. Trying to find meaning to everything out there and in your mind while on these things isn't where you should be looking, if you can't even find stability or some sort of peace within yourself.
After many experiences i've learned it's pointless to try to connect anything outwardly to try to find some ultimate meaning or truth. It just doesn't exist in this material world, and the electric world around us. Just be happy things are somewhat stable for you to even have such experiences. Once you are able to balance yourself inwardly and successfully ground yourself while still being unique in thought, heart and mind, then search outwards. But it won't be what you're expecting.
IF you haven't already joe, i would suggest ayahuasca. Smoking dmt to try to find your personal answers to something is like trying to read an entire book and quickly flipping through the pages, only vaguely getting a glance at what you're seeing.
I realized after years of doing psychedelics that all drug taking behavior boils down to seeking pleasure. Even if one hopes for a painful experience, they believe in the long run that it will ultimately bring pleasure. Oneness with the universe, divinity, and all the rest of the excuses boil down to feeling good. It's jerking off. Psychedelics are masturbation - that's a fucking insight that pisses people off. The only problem with them is that they are inconsistent and often lead to bad trips which is why the honeymoon soon ends many just smoke weed instead. I feel integration is just rationalization to continue to ingest these substances. I'm not angry, I'm a New Yorker with a shit sarcastic attitude and a damn accurate bullshit detector.
See, who else is saying this shit on the shroomery? joemolly is the only one insightful enough to take skepticism to the next level. I couldn't agree more with this entire post. It takes serious balls and introspection to admit that all the "enlightenment" was really just pleasure in a trojan horse.
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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Joolz]
#14226057 - 04/02/11 01:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Joolz said: Realize this. I'm not hating, I'm trying to get you to understand that you aren't welcome here.

Each of you should be able to have your opinions even if one is of whatever "sober" mindset your talking about.
It kinda sounds to me like you think your opinions are better cause your high on something, and he isn't. but yet he is on this forum and has talked about his psychedelic experiences.
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lasttime
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Everything said:
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Joolz said: Realize this. I'm not hating, I'm trying to get you to understand that you aren't welcome here.

Each of you should be able to have your opinions even if one is of whatever "sober" mindset your talking about.
It kinda sounds to me like you think your opinions are better cause your high on something, and he isn't. but yet he is on this forum and has talked about his psychedelic experiences.
Yeah, it's kind of crazy how psychedelics actually amplify peoples' egos by making them think they know things that other people don't.
You know what takes real balls? Accepting that delusions exist; that you can believe things that aren't true; that you can't even trust yourself to distinguish between psychosis and enlightenment. And that's the fuckin truth, from personal experience
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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: lasttime]
#14226134 - 04/02/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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lasttime said:
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Everything said:
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Joolz said: Realize this. I'm not hating, I'm trying to get you to understand that you aren't welcome here.

Each of you should be able to have your opinions even if one is of whatever "sober" mindset your talking about.
It kinda sounds to me like you think your opinions are better cause your high on something, and he isn't. but yet he is on this forum and has talked about his psychedelic experiences.
Yeah, it's kind of crazy how psychedelics actually amplify peoples' egos by making them think they know things that other people don't.
You know what takes real balls? Accepting that delusions exist; that you can believe things that aren't true; that you can't even trust yourself to distinguish between psychosis and enlightenment. And that's the fuckin truth, from personal experience
I never said I was better, I said that his view isn't going to be taken nicely. (I bet talking about my amplified ego makes you feel pretty good that you aren't on my level? Amirite? Same fucking thing.)
Great, you've had people pm you about what you've said, I have too. Clearly this is going nowhere, so I'll just keep this one on my list of threads to not read.
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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: Joolz] 1
#14226320 - 04/02/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Psychedelic experiences are...more or less...bullshit.
Seriously...do you think you've reached some higher level of enlightenment because you saw crazy shit while tripping??
All psychs do is put you in a crazy head space, where you seem to "realize" things that are simple, and obvious.
Psychedelics have helped me appreciate nature more, and appreciate the value of life. They have also helped me be comfortable with death. I haven't learned ANYTHING from 40+ trips that is mystical, or extra spiritual, and I am hard pressed to believe that you (OP) or anyone else has.
Don't kid yourselves. Psychedelics are drugs, just like coke is a drug, like alcohol is a drug, and like these other drugs, they fuck you up. A lot of people downplay this fact, and say "oh I'm using these drugs every week...but it's for learning.
Don't get me wrong, I love psychedelics, I LOVE psychedelics. They are incredibly fun, but I never pretend to be some super-enlightened being after consuming them.
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to this thread.
Understanding follows controversy.
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gornyhuy
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Don't feed the trolls.
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the human race is Fucked.
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Re: Dear Joe Molly [Re: gornyhuy]
#14226452 - 04/02/11 02:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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gornyhuy said: Don't feed the trolls.
Both Joe and Joolz have legit responeses.
This is not a
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HyperSpaceMaggot
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Joe's responses are not legit. He is saying all experiences are delusions.
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HeiligBoomerz
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HyperSpaceMaggot said: Joe's responses are not legit. He is saying all experiences are delusions.
Which is his opinion. And he is saying it legitly.
Unlike, "JU KNO I BE RIGHT MAAAAAN! THESE DRUGS ARE BULLZSHIT!"
to any sane argument.
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Joolz said: Realize this. I'm not hating, I'm trying to get you to understand that you aren't welcome here.
If you are put off by someones opinion , its a wiser choice to put some one on ignore than it is to take an "ambassador" role for the rest of us and say they aren't welcome here anymore.
Edited by RedSnapper (04/02/11 02:49 PM)
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HyperSpaceMaggot
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HyperSpaceMaggot said: Joe's responses are not legit. He is saying all experiences are delusions.
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Unlike, "JU KNO I BE RIGHT MAAAAAN! THESE DRUGS ARE BULLZSHIT!"
to any sane argument.
"DMT is bullshit."
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joemolloy
DMT is Bullshit


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HyperSpaceMaggot said: Joe's responses are not legit. He is saying all experiences are delusions.
Fuck it, dude. Let it go, maybe I'm just a closed-minded materialist fool who reads too much biology, psychology, sociology and the rest of it. Except I have spent countless hours reading all of the psychedelic literature and lore and listening to all the lectures sucking it all in. And I have spent years tripping on oral DMT + harmalas where I was in breakthrough territory for hours at a time. My experiences and my interpretations of them may be instructive and valuable to those who feel like they're getting too close to the flame and getting burned.
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HyperSpaceMaggot said: Joe's responses are not legit. He is saying all experiences are delusions.
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Unlike, "JU KNO I BE RIGHT MAAAAAN! THESE DRUGS ARE BULLZSHIT!"
to any sane argument.
"DMT is bullshit."
Ah, but if my quote was "DMT is Enlightenment" you'd have no problem. You just don't like disagreement.
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HyperSpaceMaggot
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What in the FUCK does sociology, and biology have to do with hyperspace? I think youre just getting a wild hair up your ass because you started taking some community college classes.
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joemolloy
DMT is Bullshit


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I have two Masters Degrees and spend a great deal of time reading, learning, and growing intellectually. Go ahead, piss on it. I should have a Masters in Psychedelics but they never offered it. Still, I'll take you to school, Hyperspacemaggot.
PS - Start reading some of that shit and it'll expand your understanding of your drug usage.
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Edited by joemolloy (04/02/11 03:37 PM)
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