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Toltecatl
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: 13.step]
#14220024 - 04/01/11 10:50 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You do realize unless you reply to someone's post directly, your post will be an automatic Re: to the last post in the thread, right? That was the case here. Don't get your panties in a wad.
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Diploid
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: 13.step]
#14220073 - 04/01/11 11:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Also some people don't understand what work ethic means here...
From the Wiki:
Work ethic is a set of values based on hard work and diligence. It is also a belief in the moral benefit of work and its ability to enhance character. An example would be the Protestant work ethic. A work ethic may include being reliable, having initiative, or maintaining social skills.
Slacker and hippie cultures have challenged these values in recent times, characterizing them as submissive to authority and convention, and not valuable in and of themselves, but only if it brings a positive result. Others have said that it is more important to work smart than to work hard.
In the 19th century, the Arts and Crafts movement of William Morris in the UK and Elbert Hubbard in the US noted how "alienation" of workers from ownership of the tools of production and their work product was destructive of the work ethic because in the expanding firms of that era, the workers saw no point in doing more than the minimum.
The industrial engineer Frederick Winslow Taylor revised the notion of work ethic to include giving up control over the work process to management so that the latter could study and "rationalize" the work process, and the notion of work ethic thereafter included acknowledgment of management control.
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Toltecatl
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid]
#14220174 - 04/01/11 11:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Diploid said: I'm sure your rad employer loves you. No doubt. 
Get back to me when things turn and you get laid off without so much as a thank you card.
Not gonna happen
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My garage will still need cleaning.
No doubt. Since, as you said, you have no work ethic. Have fun with your pig stye,. It suits you and your attitude
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid]
#14220177 - 04/01/11 11:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Diploid said:Quote:
Work ethic is a set of values based on hard work and diligence.
Hard work and diligence can be done in your own business or on a homestead. It doesn't have to be limited to working for an employer.
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The industrial engineer Frederick Winslow Taylor revised the notion of work ethic to include giving up control over the work process to management so that the latter could study and "rationalize" the work process, and the notion of work ethic thereafter included acknowledgment of management control.
It appears to me that to give up control of one's work to "management" has created a herd of sheeple.
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Not gonna happen [get laid off]
My guess is you're young and haven't been in the workforce long. Time will teach you though, unfortunately.
Have fun with your pig stye,. It suits you and your attitude
I can usually tell when someone knows their argument doesn't hold water when they switch from debating the topic to insulting me instead.
It's also against the rules. Don't do it again.
-------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid]
#14220328 - 04/01/11 11:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Diploid said: Some people find meaning and reward in being useful.
Yeah? So what? Did I say otherwise?
You said: "People should work in order to live, not live for their work, IMO."
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One can be useful in ways that enrich the community instead of the wealthy. That extra five hours of free labor you can give to your boss or volunteering somewhere. I chose the latter.
Who said anything about free labor? Why do you assume that every employer is wealthy? What about taxes? If everybody took your attitude who the fuck would be left to pay the bills?Quote:
The sole purpose of me hiring you would be to increase my fortune.
The sole purpose of me working for you is to increase MY fortune, not yours. Sauce for the goose and all that, yeah?
Which if you are a clock punching cipher with no work ethic is not going to rise. Make me money or get the fuck out. Quote:
That's not to say I would steal from you or shirk my responsibilities, in case you're reading that into my comments. But sacrificing for you or my job? Not a chance. I'm not part of the brainwashed herd.
Oy vey here we go with the "brainwashed" bullshit again.Quote:
And if you were hard up and had to lay me off, you would do it in a heartbeat, no matter how much I might have sacrificed for your company. We each look out for ourselves... well, unless you're a member of the herd.
If there is no work, there is no work. I get fucked last. And I don't expect sacrifice. Why do you think a work ethic entails sacrifice? For whom is it more important to even have a work ethic? The employee or the employer? Self employed people who wish to have a successful business work far harder than any of their employees.
Why do you exploit the brainwashed herd? Who do you think made the computer you use? I hope you get somebody with your attitude when you have to use medical services. Then you might appreciate their work ethic a little more.
And HippieChhick, it isn't me suffering because business is down. It's the employees who have no work. I have no worries.
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid]
#14220764 - 04/01/11 12:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Diploid said: Not gonna happen [get laid off]
My guess is you're young and haven't been in the workforce long. Time will teach you though, unfortunately. [quote/]
Wrong, your guess is, grasshopper. Much to learn you have.
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Have fun with your pig stye,. It suits you and your attitude
I can usually tell when someone knows their argument doesn't hold water when they switch from debating the topic to insulting me instead. [quote/]
You insult yourself with multiple references to your unkempt domicile. 
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It's also against the rules. Don't do it again.
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Diploid
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your unkempt domicile.
I dunno about you, but where I come from, we don't live in our garage.
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid]
#14220906 - 04/01/11 01:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Diploid said: your unkempt domicile.
I dunno about you, but where I come from, we don't live in our garage. 
I don't know about you, but where I come from, garages are a part of the house 
That's like saying my car is sparkling clean....except for all that shit in the trunk. But that doesn't count as "part" of the car becuase you don't ride back there (unless your gagged and tied up of course)
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid]
#14220919 - 04/01/11 01:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Diploid said: What's the point of having a work ethic? Ever since I was a kid, I've been told that having a work ethic is a good thing, but I can't see why that is true.
What do you think?
A work ethic does benefit society, however it also can be very beneficial to the individual.
There is one basic reason why a work ethic benefits the individual: we often give more weight to the quality of the present than to how our actions in the present will affect the quality of the future.
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Diploid
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Hey, by that logic the sewer system is part of the house because it's attached, no?
That's right. No.
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid]
#14221912 - 04/01/11 04:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The problem is is that there ain't much room for achievement with good work ethic with one employer or in one trade or field. Theres not much recognition, appreciation or room for advancement with good work ethic. You can work hard at one job for 5 years and only notice a $5 an hour pay increase. Because housing and the cost of living is so expensive it takes up all of a persons time and don't allow for any alternatives for living. If housing was affordable and education was the main interest of society there could be a lot more room advancement in something else for each individual.
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Diploid
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You can work hard at one job for 5 years and only notice a $5 an hour pay increase.
Or find yourself out of a job when the economy sours. Just look around.
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid]
#14222279 - 04/01/11 05:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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From my experience in restaurant and warehouse work, work ethic is all there is, each day you either work poorly or work hard. Then the employer takes all the profits and wages stay the same for employees for several years.
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Joolz


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SheerTerror said: From my experience in restaurant and warehouse work, work ethic is all there is, each day you either work poorly or work hard. Then the employer takes all the profits and wages stay the same for employees for several years.
This is true, sadly. My real issue is when I used to work with people on a shift (happily am the only person at my hotel on all my shifts now, thank heavens. I fucking HATE the rabble that work here) and they would just slack off while I was working. Out of touch management doesn't realize it, but it really just makes me mad.
Still, I work a pretty dead-end job until I get a little school under my belt. Then I could move up nicely, but that's no excuse to be a piece of shit worker imo.
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Toltecatl said:
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It's also against the rules. Don't do it again.

Toltecatl, please keep the people you're debating with out of the debate; this is your only warning, read the rest of the rules before you post here again:
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Poid]
#14223136 - 04/01/11 08:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Poid said:
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Toltecatl said:
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It's also against the rules. Don't do it again.

Toltecatl, please keep the people you're debating with out of the debate; this is your only warning, read the rest of the rules before you post here again:
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13.step
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Toltecatl said:
You do realize unless you reply to someone's post directly, your post will be an automatic Re: to the last post in the thread, right? That was the case here. Don't get your panties in a wad.
I have no idea why you said that. I was responding to you, and I also was agreeing with what you said, in a manner suited to you profile...
I said some people don't know what work ethic means because they think it's that thing that makes you be a sucker at a shitty job...
Diploid - who do you think gets laid off first if they have to let go of somebody? The guy that works his ass off...or someone like you who is sticking it to the man...
Also you say you never worked? Did I get that correctly? Then sorry mate, but your argument is purely theoretic and doesn't hold much water just by that alone.
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: 13.step]
#14224830 - 04/02/11 05:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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13.step said:
I said some people don't know what work ethic means because they think it's that thing that makes you be a sucker at a shitty job...
Diploid - who do you think gets laid off first if they have to let go of somebody? The guy that works his ass off...or someone like you who is sticking it to the man...
Also you say you never worked? Did I get that correctly? Then sorry mate, but your argument is purely theoretic and doesn't hold much water just by that alone.
Thats the truth right there. In general I try to balance the work I put in and what I get back for it, work in this country (US) is usually a contract between the individual and whoever they work for. If you're getting ripped off, leave the job or take it quitely.
Easier said than done if you actually have to work to survive, like about 6,774,000 people on this planet. Its easy to call the workers sheep - but I'd like to see you walk the walk.
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: ahchela]
#14224944 - 04/02/11 07:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I bust my ass off at my hotel. I have to run around and scrounge up all the towels I can because the management company refuses to buy more. I also get the pleasure of telling people when we don't have a room available for them, even though they made a reservation online. There are many other things that I have to deal with that I doubt you guys want to hear about.
I see all these people talking about work ethic and how it means nothing, and I can't help but think those people are exactly like the pieces of shit that I worked with at fast food places in high school. Maybe I'm being unfair, but at this point in the day I don't care.
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