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Eating hash
    #14222432 - 04/01/11 06:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Anyone here have luck eating hash straight? Unlike pot, I heard eating hash was just as efficient as the other methods of ingestion... Is this true? If so, how long does it take to kick in and how long is the duration? I would assume its similar to eating brownies... but I wanted to get some feedback.

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Re: Eating hash [Re: danlennon3]
    #14222461 - 04/01/11 06:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Eating cannabis always makes me feel like I'm wasting it.

Only if I had high grade and lots of it around would I do something like this.  Usually takes 60-90 minutes before you feel anything at all.

Hash and cannabis both (contrary to popular belief) work without being dissolved in oil or "activated" in any way. 

Dissolving the solids in oil however (fat soluble) increases surface area and ensures greater bioavailability and absorbtion which results in a faster, more "thorough" and longer feeling of intoxication.

Like I said though, I'm poor and I usually smoke my weed.


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Re: Eating hash [Re: danlennon3]
    #14222484 - 04/01/11 06:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Eating hash [Re: Humility]
    #14222661 - 04/01/11 06:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Hash and cannabis both (contrary to popular belief) work without being dissolved in oil or "activated" in any way.




http://cannabisculture.com/articles/3037.html

When marijuana is harvested, the THC molecule is bound to a carboxyl group. With a carboxyl group attached, THC is not active.

Heating dried marijuana makes the carboxyl group convert into water (H2O) and carbon dioxide (CO2). When marijuana is smoked, the burning eliminates the carboxyl group. There are several ways to decarboxylate marijuana for use in extracts. A layer of marijuana buds or leaf can be placed in an oven at 150 degrees for 15 minutes. This is far below the boiling point of THC yet warm enough to evaporate the carboxyl group.

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Re: Eating hash [Re: s240779]
    #14222773 - 04/01/11 07:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Soooooo...what are you saying?

I hope you aren't misunderstanding and postulating that de-carboxylization is a requirement for cannabis to be orally active.

Because it isn't.  Cannabis is active sublingually and orally in bud (raw) form.


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Re: Eating hash [Re: Humility]
    #14222870 - 04/01/11 07:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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bud (raw) form.




Bud can be either fully dehydrated (decarboxylated and thus rendered bioavailable), or not fully dehydrated and a lot of bud isn't fully dehydrated (fully dehydrated bud has that crispy feel).

So what I'm saying is based on that Cannabis Culture thing, it is a misconception that marijuana has to be heated at high temperatures to be activated, but it's not a misconception that marijuana does need to be activated. High heat is not required, however. Marijuana can be made crispy and dehydrated simply with desiccant, where no heat is used at all.

If you click the link, you'll see that Dr. Ed is saying that marijuana needs to be decarboxylated for sublingual use.

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Re: Eating hash [Re: s240779]
    #14222957 - 04/01/11 07:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If Rosenthal said it I'm hesitant to rebut, but I know that asetics grew (and grow) cannabis in the Hindu Kush mountains and would find wild cannabis and I'm almost certain that in cases they would eat fresh buds and become intoxicated from ingesting them.

But maybe I'm wrong and eating fresh buds that haven't been dried out doesn't render effects.  I've never grown and I've never had wet buds in my possession so I honestly can't say.

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Re: Eating hash [Re: Humility]
    #14222997 - 04/01/11 08:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

That famous dutch seed dealer talks about them making hash from raw, freshly picked bud in some asiatic country (this is in some documentary), so yeah, I don't know what to think either.

I do know that marijuana's oral bioavailability in general has been rated as being extremely poor. Rectal administration, however, is supposed to be very effective.

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Re: Eating hash [Re: s240779]
    #14223065 - 04/01/11 08:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I ate a big handful of hash straight up in amsterdamn once but I don't really remember the details...


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Re: Eating hash [Re: Humility]
    #14223092 - 04/01/11 08:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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If Rosenthal said it I'm hesitant to rebut, but I know that asetics grew (and grow) cannabis in the Hindu Kush mountains and would find wild cannabis and I'm almost certain that in cases they would eat fresh buds and become intoxicated from ingesting them.





I've eaten dried weed and gotten high, it's not as effective as other methods but it does work... no clue on fresh buds, never tried it

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Re: Eating hash [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14223119 - 04/01/11 08:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

When I was a teenager living in Ireland, we used to be subjected to some pretty sub-standard hash and so we used to eat it to get more ripped than usual. There is a psychoactive element in hash/weed that is lost when smoked but is there when eaten. Simple way we used to do it was get about enough for a joint, put it on a teaspoon with a small drizzle of olive oil, burn the bottom of the spoon until it completely melts into the olive oil, stir it into a yoghurt and eat. You will be bombed after about 20 mins, fact.

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Re: Eating hash [Re: mucky_tackies]
    #14223337 - 04/01/11 09:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Mix it into some everclear......


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Re: Eating hash [Re: mucky_tackies]
    #14223344 - 04/01/11 09:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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When I was a teenager living in Ireland, we used to be subjected to some pretty sub-standard hash and so we used to eat it to get more ripped than usual. There is a psychoactive element in hash/weed that is lost when smoked but is there when eaten. Simple way we used to do it was get about enough for a joint, put it on a teaspoon with a small drizzle of olive oil, burn the bottom of the spoon until it completely melts into the olive oil, stir it into a yoghurt and eat. You will be bombed after about 20 mins, fact.




That sounds pretty sick!!!  I'm gonna try this with kief

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Re: Eating hash [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #14223450 - 04/01/11 09:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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When I was a teenager living in Ireland, we used to be subjected to some pretty sub-standard hash and so we used to eat it to get more ripped than usual. There is a psychoactive element in hash/weed that is lost when smoked but is there when eaten. Simple way we used to do it was get about enough for a joint, put it on a teaspoon with a small drizzle of olive oil, burn the bottom of the spoon until it completely melts into the olive oil, stir it into a yoghurt and eat. You will be bombed after about 20 mins, fact.




That sounds pretty sick!!!  I'm gonna try this with kief




Definitely going to give it a go as well.  Yogurt along with the olive oil seems like a good method of administration what with there being plenty of fat for the cannabinoids to dissolve into.


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Re: Eating hash [Re: Humility]
    #14227481 - 04/02/11 06:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

but would eating straight hash be a waste? cooking it in fat is the only option? Im trying to think of a way to make only to doses and make them transportable... wanna eat them later in the day.. And if eating hash straight is just as good as cooking in oil, then it would be a lot easier for me:smirk:


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Re: Eating hash [Re: s240779]
    #14227492 - 04/02/11 06:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Hash and cannabis both (contrary to popular belief) work without being dissolved in oil or "activated" in any way.




http://cannabisculture.com/articles/3037.html

When marijuana is harvested, the THC molecule is bound to a carboxyl group. With a carboxyl group attached, THC is not active.

Heating dried marijuana makes the carboxyl group convert into water (H2O) and carbon dioxide (CO2). When marijuana is smoked, the burning eliminates the carboxyl group. There are several ways to decarboxylate marijuana for use in extracts. A layer of marijuana buds or leaf can be placed in an oven at 150 degrees for 15 minutes. This is far below the boiling point of THC yet warm enough to evaporate the carboxyl group.





The carboxyl groups are all but eliminated when you properly cure the bud.

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Re: Eating hash [Re: s240779]
    #14227540 - 04/02/11 06:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Hash and cannabis both (contrary to popular belief) work without being dissolved in oil or "activated" in any way.




http://cannabisculture.com/articles/3037.html

When marijuana is harvested, the THC molecule is bound to a carboxyl group. With a carboxyl group attached, THC is not active.

Heating dried marijuana makes the carboxyl group convert into water (H2O) and carbon dioxide (CO2). When marijuana is smoked, the burning eliminates the carboxyl group. There are several ways to decarboxylate marijuana for use in extracts. A layer of marijuana buds or leaf can be placed in an oven at 150 degrees for 15 minutes. This is far below the boiling point of THC yet warm enough to evaporate the carboxyl group.




this is why weed is seard befor brownies are made?


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Re: Eating hash [Re: jacobensis]
    #14227594 - 04/02/11 06:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Man I made some bubble hash brownies a while back and they were fucking strong.  About a half gram of hash per brownie and they were ridiculously potent.  I had a very high tolerance with that hash from smoking it so much but when I ate them it knocked me on my ass.  Beautiful closed eye visuals that were actually defined, (they are usually rather bland for me on cannabis).  I was really surprised and actually got "too high" for a little while but still enjoyed it.  I've never eaten it straight, although one time I had a nice spoonful of some fresh out of the bag but the taste was pretty rough.

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Re: Eating hash [Re: danlennon3]
    #14227623 - 04/02/11 06:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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but would eating straight hash be a waste?




If anything I think there would just be a slower onset but it would be just as bioavailable as mj dissolved in fat. That's what I think.

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Re: Eating hash [Re: s240779]
    #14227812 - 04/02/11 07:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

trying the yogurt right now:thumbup: If I melted hash and olive oil together... could I store it in a glass vile for later use? would it stay in a liquid form? Im going to see a show in the city tomorrow and putting it in a vile would be an easy way to store it and spike some milk.. think it will work?


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