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The point of lemon tek?
    #14222037 - 04/02/11 01:41 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Is it to come up quicker?
Is it to shorten duration and intensify buzz?

Any pros/cons.I searched but did not find answers exactly.
Friend drunk pure lemon juice after eating shrooms last weekend
and felt something happen quicker than usual. But as I gather you are supposed to mix and wait 20mins.

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Re: The point of lemon tek? [Re: Sobercolober]
    #14222202 - 04/02/11 02:13 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

The point is to convert the psilocybin into psilocin (the actual active tryptamine).  Otherwise what happens is the psilocybin gets digested, moves through the circulatory system, enters the liver where it's converted into psilocin.  Lemontek shortens the process by some 30 minutes or so.

A side effect is that the come up is much more intense, and some people feel the trip is shorter.  I personally feel the trip is the same amount to time, but to each his own.


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Re: The point of lemon tek? [Re: LanLord]
    #14222238 - 04/02/11 02:21 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

It will have shorter duration and it doesnt convert it into psilocin. Youre liver still does that. The high acidity allowed the mushroom matter to digest must faster.


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Re: The point of lemon tek? [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14222344 - 04/02/11 02:46 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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It will have shorter duration and it doesnt convert it into psilocin. Youre liver still does that. The high acidity allowed the mushroom matter to digest must faster.



I think you need to read more about what the acidity in the lemon juice is doing.  And the many times I've done it, the trips have been just as long as an expected "regular trip" would be.  I've had some 5 and 6 hour trips on lemontek, and the come up was bullet fast.  15 minutes or less from the time the mushrooms or tea (done both ways) hit my lips.  There's no way the body could digest and convert psilocybin on 15 minutes.


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Re: The point of lemon tek? [Re: LanLord]
    #14222396 - 04/02/11 02:55 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I think you need to realize that acid isnt the same as the enzymes in our liver.
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Re: The point of lemon tek? [Re: Sobercolober]
    #14222566 - 04/02/11 03:22 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

The first time I did the lemon tek I didn't really expect it to make much more of a difference. Back in those days I always thought that shrooms were not very visual/intense compared to acid (because I had never really done much). So I decided to save on 4 grams and lemon tek it (yes lemon tek'd the whole 4 grams).

I put the ground shrooms in a cup of lemon juice and stirred it idly while watching some cartoons. After about 35 minutes the lemon juice had turned into a dark blue pondscum looking color. I proceeded to down the pondscum and and floating fruit bodies as quickly as possible. Even though I like the taste of shrooms dry, this shit was horrid :P

I followed my whole glass of magic with a cup of OJ to take away the taste.

Then I waited....

15 minutes later (YES ONLY 15 MINUTES) my walls were crawling with yellow DMT like visuals. I remember thinking "holly fucking shit, this isn't like shrooms at all!". I then proceeded to have a super intense fucking trip that blew every other psychedelic experience I'd had before that out of the water.

A lot of people say that their lemon tek experiences are shorter than regular shroom trips. Mine on the other hand lasted approximately the same amount of time. I'm assuming it was because I consumed the plant matter floating in the solution as well.

Anyway, my conclusion was that lemon tek'd shrooms are like a totally different drug to normal shrooms with a very short comeup. Definitely worth doing.


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Re: The point of lemon tek? [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14222625 - 04/02/11 03:36 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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I think you need to realize that acid isnt the same as the enzymes in our liver.
:boot:



Doesn't need to be the same as the enzyme as what is in the liver, merely needs to begin the dephosphorilation of psilocybin.  This can be done with either a highly acidic or highly base solution, lemon juice has the acidic content to begin the process.


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Re: The point of lemon tek? [Re: LanLord]
    #14222639 - 04/02/11 03:40 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

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I think you need to realize that acid isnt the same as the enzymes in our liver.
:boot:



Doesn't need to be the same as the enzyme as what is in the liver, merely needs to begin the dephosphorilation of psilocybin.  This can be done with either a highly acidic or highly base solution, lemon juice has the acidic content to begin the process.



Not it does not.


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Re: The point of lemon tek? [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14222675 - 04/02/11 03:50 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Think what they said... Tend to think it's more ritual than science

Some folks swear by it... Others not... I am on the Not side but if it works for others, more power to them!!!!


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Re: The point of lemon tek? [Re: HarryL]
    #14222897 - 04/02/11 04:44 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

when i've tried, i too had the same duration as regular trip.
however, one came on in 30 minutes, and the other took almost an hour and a half
just try it and see how you likey


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Re: The point of lemon tek? [Re: gabbaganchi]
    #14222946 - 04/02/11 04:55 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: The point of lemon tek? [Re: Johnny Depp]
    #14225579 - 04/02/11 08:32 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Well last weekend my friend did a variation of this, chewed his 10 shrooms then drunk down 1/2 a fresh squeezed lemon, 20mins later, things started to happen !.In fact my friend has just done the same 3 minutes ago :mushroom2:

We must all get our dose of Vitamin C.:cool:


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Re: The point of lemon tek? [Re: Sobercolober]
    #14225601 - 04/02/11 08:39 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Hmm, I think I may buy lemonade instead of my other juice for my easy shroomy drink.


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Re: The point of lemon tek? [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14225743 - 04/02/11 09:12 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

HyperSpaceMaggot said:
Quote:

LanLord said:
Quote:

HyperSpaceMaggot said:
I think you need to realize that acid isnt the same as the enzymes in our liver.
:boot:



Doesn't need to be the same as the enzyme as what is in the liver, merely needs to begin the dephosphorilation of psilocybin.  This can be done with either a highly acidic or highly base solution, lemon juice has the acidic content to begin the process.



Not it does not.




Oh really?

Quote:

Pyjamas said:
Wikipedia - Psilocin (What our body turns the Psilocybin into)  is obtained by dephosphorylation of psilocybin under strongly acidic or alkaline conditions. Psilocin is relatively unstable due to its phenolic OH group. Under alkaline conditions in the presence of oxygen it immediately forms bluish and dark black degradation products. Similar products are also formed under acidic conditions in the presence of oxygen and Fe3+ ions (Keller's reagent, FeCl3 / MeOH / HCl). Psilocin is a basic amine and forms salts with acids that are usually more stable upon storage.

The more acidity  the quicker the Psilocybin is broken down to Psilocin.

Must experiment with this!




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Re: The point of lemon tek? [Re: urbanwolf]
    #14225751 - 04/02/11 09:14 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I said it speeds up digestion. You said it turns it into psilocyn.

There ya go.


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Re: The point of lemon tek? [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14225885 - 04/02/11 09:47 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Well interestingly my friend is feeling almost nothing 1h 15mins later did eat a big dinner before though. He thinks nothing is going to happen, feels sleepy.


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Re: The point of lemon tek? [Re: Sobercolober]
    #14225917 - 04/02/11 09:55 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Big dinner means he's got to wait on the food before it. He feels sleepy, but if he ate enough they'll wake his ass back up once they kick in.


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Re: The point of lemon tek? [Re: Joolz]
    #14225933 - 04/02/11 10:00 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

he just ate some more what the hell, slow going though thoguht the lemon
would assist. : (  his stocks are soon fully depleted.


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Re: The point of lemon tek? [Re: Sobercolober]
    #14226101 - 04/02/11 10:31 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Very odd, nothing at all.:confused:

EDIT: He took a few more and feels a little something, he wondered if using them 7 days ago has built resistance. Bummer.

EDIT: He does feel something now, he hopes it isnt going to creep up over another 2 hours he will be off of his nut.

EDIT :He thinks he is just getting used to this state.

he now realizes he does not know what is going on so he must be buzzing.

Yep he's defo back in wavy land, rather later than anticipated, better late than never. PS he tends to this on his own, he just kind of likes that.


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Re: The point of lemon tek? [Re: Sobercolober]
    #14779024 - 07/17/11 05:32 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

bumping this thread as no one cleverly answered the op, lots of discusion as to how but none as to why???

if the whole point is to shorten the come-up then it's pretty pointless since you'll wait 20 min ANYWAY for the lemmon to produce it's shit.


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