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Ieponumos
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Panaeolus cinctulus or olivaceus? (Now with Opinions from Alan Rockefeller and BlimeyGrimey)
#14220932 - 04/01/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Habitat: Growing out of grass near decayed cow dung. Location: Dalton, GA Gills: Mottled, adnate to adnexed. Stipe: Striated fibers, thick, meaty, slightly pruniose Spore Print: Straight black as exampled by spores on some of the caps.
Patch 1
         
Patch 2
   
Patch 3 (a couple specimens taken; more photographed)
    
Patch 4 (only photographed)
   
Patch 5 (only photographed)
  
Patch 6 (One specimen taken)
 
One More Thing

Conocybe rickenii in full bloom directly off dung.
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These are all from Patch Caps labeled "1" refer to any fruits first found and photographed on that island The one label "2" is the first specimen photographed in situ. The cap labeled "3" is the one I picked from that set of three in situ The samples taken from the ones recorded on video MVI 0998 will be labeled "5"
And the one to be labeled 4 will be from Patch #2
Patch 3 was not included in the set of samples sent to Alan. They still sit in a petri on my desk.
This patch (found 4/7/11) will be labeled "6" and will most likely be sent separate form the other samples.
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The life cycle of this Pan as I see it. I think I'm still missing a stage or two.
       
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Re: First Actives of the YEAR!!!! [Re: Ieponumos]
#14221044 - 04/01/11 01:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Cool I'm not to far from Dalton. I'll start looking
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Re: First Actives of the YEAR!!!! [Re: lsatrap]
#14221053 - 04/01/11 01:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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May camera has run out of batteries and I had to do this off 5 second's charge, but you can see the spore color

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Re: First Actives of the YEAR!!!! [Re: Ieponumos]
#14221082 - 04/01/11 01:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think i might eat a few of those later
Edited by Spilabit (04/01/11 01:57 PM)
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Re: First Actives of the YEAR!!!! [Re: Ieponumos]
#14221087 - 04/01/11 01:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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those look like subbs, but i dont think its enough for a good trip
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Re: First Actives of the YEAR!!!! [Re: Ieponumos]
#14221134 - 04/01/11 01:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Don't eat that Conocybe in the upper left hand side of the 3rd photo.
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Re: First Actives of the YEAR!!!! [Re: CureCat]
#14221142 - 04/01/11 02:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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CureCat said: Don't eat that Conocybe in the upper left hand side of the 3rd photo.
Don't worry, It's C. rickenii; I know not to mess with it. Once I took the photo, I was having second tohughts about haviing it in there and thought about making a note.
EDIT: Also thank you for your concern.
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Re: First Actives of the YEAR!!!! [Re: Ieponumos]
#14221188 - 04/01/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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that Conocybe looks all shiny compared to the Panaeolus
good to know the difference, glad they're not dangerous or anything.
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Re: First Actives of the YEAR!!!! [Re: 1a4]
#14221208 - 04/01/11 02:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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1a4 said: that Conocybe looks all shiny compared to the Panaeolus
good to know the difference, glad they're not dangerous or anything.
Some Conocybe are dangerous. That's why I'm not messing with them. I'm just telling her not to worry as I know what it is and have it separated from the Panaeolus.
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14221224 - 04/01/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think Panaeolus olivaceus is likely.
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Re: First Actives of the YEAR!!!! [Re: Spilalot]
#14221251 - 04/01/11 02:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Spilabit said: I think i might eat a few of those later 
Maybe i wont then
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Alan Rockefeller said: I think Panaeolus olivaceus is likely.
Do you want spores, gill, and tissue samples?
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14221288 - 04/01/11 02:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yea, also get more pictures of the mushrooms including some before they are picked.
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Ieponumos
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Alan Rockefeller said: Yea, also get more pictures of the mushrooms including some before they are picked.
Also, could someone get me a link to the lemon tek?
EDIT: When my camera charges, I'll get out there and pull an in situ before the rain comes  
Edited by Ieponumos (04/01/11 02:24 PM)
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14221352 - 04/01/11 02:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: canid]
#14221370 - 04/01/11 02:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I like that link
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Spilalot]
#14221405 - 04/01/11 02:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Spilabit said: I like that link 
Me too! 
Also, from what I've read, a simple citric acid solution at room temperature would suffice, no? It merely dephosphorylates thew psilocybin to its freebase psilocin. So I just let this sit for a while at STP and then drink?
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14221435 - 04/01/11 02:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sorry mate ive got zero experience with these methods . I usually just throw them in a teapot , and make tea
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14221498 - 04/01/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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i haven't done so, but i presume yes. can't hurt to do it.
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: canid]
#14221574 - 04/01/11 03:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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canid said: i haven't done so, but i presume yes. can't hurt to do it.
To facilitate the process, I've put it in a warm water bath.
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14221848 - 04/01/11 03:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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In situ pics



General Size Comparison

Edited by Ieponumos (04/02/11 11:52 AM)
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14222217 - 04/01/11 05:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I thought about supplementing this with 20g of cactus powder. Sound like a good idea to ya'll?
Also, should I consume it this evening or in the morning?
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14222353 - 04/01/11 05:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Those stems are going to do nothing, no matter what tek you use. You would probably need at least 5g dried to feel something.
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Kaiser]
#14222367 - 04/01/11 05:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Kaiser said: Those stems are going to do nothing, no matter what tek you use. You would probably need at least 5g dried to feel something.
Oh well. Maybe I can take enough cactus powder to make me think I'm tripping on shrooms

EDIT: I drank the tea anywho so as to not waste it. The texture of the stems is an .... acquired one.
Edited by Ieponumos (04/01/11 06:24 PM)
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14222826 - 04/01/11 07:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Prints are ready and the gills are working on drying.


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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14223261 - 04/01/11 08:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Very nice and interesting finds Ieponumos
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: avidpicker]
#14224089 - 04/01/11 11:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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avidpicker said: Very nice and interesting finds Ieponumos 
i agree, cool find man!
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Last night I got nothing more than a tad bit of a body buzz, a bit of color saturation, and a bit of nausea. It was somewhat enjoyable, but I'd definitely need a real dose. At least I can say I tried!
Also, I've watered the new patch and after my stomach settles and I have one, I'll get out there and look around some more. It looks and feels pretty nice out there right now.
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14225071 - 04/02/11 08:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I found moar this morning GUISE!!!


that's all fine and dandy, but when I was walking I looked down again at my feet and the magic happened ...


EDIT: Oh yeh, That patch I watered (It turns out after examination of the gills that these are merely conocybe. The stem is too thin, too)
Edited by Ieponumos (04/02/11 11:37 AM)
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14225224 - 04/02/11 09:35 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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LOLOLOLOLOL
I just remembered the owners used an insecticide about a month before this find. I doubt it'll hurt anything. they haven't applied it since from what I've gathered.
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14225509 - 04/02/11 11:13 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I wouldn't really call this thread "pic heavy" let alone "UBER pic heavy"..
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Oreganic]
#14225641 - 04/02/11 11:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oreganic said: I wouldn't really call this thread "pic heavy" let alone "UBER pic heavy"..
It's a work in progress? Plus shroomery told me my upload limit was reached.
Also,
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Oreganic]
#14225657 - 04/02/11 11:52 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's nice to see some pics of Panaeolus olivaceus for future reference. They don't quite look like Pan cincts and they don't look like Pan paps, almost in the middle. Hopefully you can save up enough for a bioassay
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Kaiser]
#14226239 - 04/02/11 01:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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i think i would be a little more careful if your having a hard time telling the Conocybes from the Panaeolus . sundried caps makes things tougher too. i would concentrate on getting some samples sent out before i would be ingesting them.
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14226382 - 04/02/11 02:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ieponumos said:shroomery told me my upload limit was reached.
they, they do that. the key is just the right amount of resizing and compression or to post them from another album host like photobucket.
or buy a supporter account.
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: canid]
#14226445 - 04/02/11 02:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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canid said:
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Ieponumos said:shroomery told me my upload limit was reached.
they, they do that. the key is just the right amount of resizing and compression or to post them from another album host like photobucket.
or buy a supporter account.
I want to, but I be a broke man.
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psylosymonreturns said: i think i would be a little more careful if your having a hard time telling the Conocybes from the Panaeolus . sundried caps makes things tougher too. i would concentrate on getting some samples sent out before i would be ingesting them. 
That they do. They best way to tell right off the bat are the thinner stems and the light yellow to orange gills which are completely solid in color when turned over. From the top, the more campanulate Conocybes look rather similar. there's also one more pic of a Conocybe in the first post which no one pointed out


This ain't a Pan; it's also growing DIRECTLY off of the dung.
Also, another indicator is the these Pans never grow directly off of dung, they grow off from the dung in the grass where moisture accumulates. They also like to grow on the slopes of hills where I guess it drains well or something.
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14226722 - 04/02/11 03:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ieponumos said:
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canid said:
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Ieponumos said:shroomery told me my upload limit was reached.
they, they do that. the key is just the right amount of resizing and compression or to post them from another album host like photobucket.
or buy a supporter account.
I want to, but I be a broke man.
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psylosymonreturns said: i think i would be a little more careful if your having a hard time telling the Conocybes from the Panaeolus . sundried caps makes things tougher too. i would concentrate on getting some samples sent out before i would be ingesting them. 
That they do. They best way to tell right off the bat are the thinner stems and the light yellow to orange gills which are completely solid in color when turned over. From the top, the more campanulate Conocybes look rather similar. there's also one more pic of a Conocybe in the first post which no one pointed out


This ain't a Pan; it's also growing DIRECTLY off of the dung.
Also, another indicator is the these Pans never grow directly off of dung, they grow off from the dung in the grass where moisture accumulates. They also like to grow on the slopes of hills where I guess it drains well or something.
EDIT: Also, the caps are drying (and have been drying since they've been spore printed; I stretched the more fruitful caps for a second print and got those wrapped this morning before I hunted) as I type. They are on silica gel and I have been corresponding with Alan via , so as soon as they are ready, they will be packaged, labeled and shipped.
By Saturday I assume (do note what happens when we make assumptions ...)we should have gill/spore pics.
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14226749 - 04/02/11 03:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ieponumos said: EDIT: Also, the caps are drying (and have been drying since they've been spore printed; I stretched the more fruitful caps for a second print and got those wrapped this morning before I hunted) as I type. They are on silica gel and I have been corresponding with Alan via , so as soon as they are ready, they will be packaged, labeled and shipped.
By Saturday I assume (do note what happens when we make assumptions ...)we should have gill/spore pics.
Good stuff! Great finds too..
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Oreganic]
#14226880 - 04/02/11 04:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oreganic said:
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Ieponumos said: EDIT: Also, the caps are drying (and have been drying since they've been spore printed; I stretched the more fruitful caps for a second print and got those wrapped this morning before I hunted) as I type. They are on silica gel and I have been corresponding with Alan via , so as soon as they are ready, they will be packaged, labeled and shipped.
By Saturday I assume (do note what happens when we make assumptions ...)we should have gill/spore pics.
Good stuff! Great finds too.. 
In fact, here are some of the vehicles by which the caps will be transported
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14230656 - 04/03/11 10:55 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Update 4/3/11
So far, some of the smaller caps are getting ready to be packaged as they are nearly to a crisp/
Caps labeled "1" refer to any fruits first found and photographed on that island The one label "2" is the first specimen photographed in situ. The cap labeled "3" is the one I picked from that set of three in situ And the one to be labeled 4 will be from Patch #2 The samples taken from the ones recorded on video MVI 0998 will be labeled "5" This new patch (found 4/7/11) will be labeled "6" and will most likely be sent separate form the other samples.
Edited by Ieponumos (04/11/11 06:18 PM)
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Oreganic]
#14230952 - 04/03/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ieponumos said: EDIT: Also, the caps are drying (and have been drying since they've been spore printed; I stretched the more fruitful caps for a second print and got those wrapped this morning before I hunted) as I type. They are on silica gel and I have been corresponding with Alan via , so as soon as they are ready, they will be packaged, labeled and shipped.
By Saturday I assume (do note what happens when we make assumptions ...)we should have gill/spore pics.
Good stuff! Great finds too.. 
ya fo sure, good work then dude.
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Update 4/3/11
So far, some of the smaller caps are getting ready to be packaged as they are nearly to a crisp
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psylosymonreturns said:
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Oreganic said:
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Ieponumos said: EDIT: Also, the caps are drying (and have been drying since they've been spore printed; I stretched the more fruitful caps for a second print and got those wrapped this morning before I hunted) as I type. They are on silica gel and I have been corresponding with Alan via , so as soon as they are ready, they will be packaged, labeled and shipped.
By Saturday I assume (do note what happens when we make assumptions ...)we should have gill/spore pics.
Good stuff! Great finds too.. 
ya fo sure, good work then dude.
I just looked at some spores on my own with my Amscope and they look roughened roughened to me even at 800X.
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Update 4/3/11
So far, some of the smaller caps are getting ready to be packaged as they are nearly to a crisp
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psylosymonreturns said:
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Oreganic said:
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Ieponumos said: EDIT: Also, the caps are drying (and have been drying since they've been spore printed; I stretched the more fruitful caps for a second print and got those wrapped this morning before I hunted) as I type. They are on silica gel and I have been corresponding with Alan via , so as soon as they are ready, they will be packaged, labeled and shipped.
By Saturday I assume (do note what happens when we make assumptions ...)we should have gill/spore pics.
Good stuff! Great finds too.. 
ya fo sure, good work then dude.
I just looked at some spores on my own with my Amscope and they look roughened to me even at 800X.
Just got done looking at them at 2000X. Due to the frequency of warts and and less prevalence of ellipsoid shapes as compared to P. cintulus spores, I'm thinking they might be olivaceus. Though I will admit I find it odd that the margins of these spores (walls I believe they would be) aren't as really rugose like weilii's collcetion. My camera doesn't have the adapter needed or I'd upload pics of my own.
I know this is against decorum, but the spores look like this to y eye. they resemble this colleciton

http://forums.mycotopia.net/wild-mushrooming-field-forest/50789-panaeolus-olivaceus.html
Edited by Ieponumos (04/03/11 05:34 PM)
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14237114 - 04/04/11 04:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Update 4/4/11

They're drying.
Looking good so far?
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14237468 - 04/04/11 05:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ieponumos said: My camera doesn't have the adapter needed or I'd upload pics of my own.
Can't point the camera down the eyepiece of the scope?
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Byrain]
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Ieponumos said: My camera doesn't have the adapter needed or I'd upload pics of my own.
Can't point the camera down the eyepiece of the scope?
Nope, it's a dlsr. I tried and don't want to break my lens. This is what I need
http://cgi.ebay.com/CANON-DSLR-SLR-CAMERA-LENS-ADAPTER-4-C-MOUNT-MICROSCOPE-/250770947923?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a631cff53
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14243225 - 04/05/11 05:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do you have a cellphone with a camera? I use my cellphone to take micro pictures
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14243364 - 04/05/11 06:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I usually use a Canon SD1100 to take micro pictures, but the camera I use has a little dust on the inside of the lens so all my micrographs have the same dust, even though it does not show up when I take regular pictures with the camera. I am seriously considering getting a new Canon S95 and always keeping it in a case so it doesn't get dust inside it.
That adapter does look nice, I wonder if it would give better pictures than a little handheld. It would be nice to shoot micrographs in raw format so you can adjust the color and contrast a lot more.
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HAI GUISE
I found a new patch


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EDIT: Wtf is that powdery shit? I've only noticed it on this species of Panaeolus. None of the Conocybe have it.
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14254508 - 04/07/11 05:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Good eyes, leponumos! Nice finds.
Powdery shit? On the stem? Many mushrooms have fine pubescence on the stem when young. Is that what you're talking about?
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Bobzimmer]
#14254540 - 04/07/11 05:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bobzimmer said: Good eyes, leponumos! Nice finds.
Powdery shit? On the stem? Many mushrooms have fine pubescence on the stem when young. Is that what you're talking about?
Nope. Actually here are some examples. It's primarily on the pileus
It's stuck to the gills here
on the top of the pileus here EDIT: Also on my lens cap, too
You can see one or two on the gills here
It's kinda hard to see on this one, but it's on the pileus and gills
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14257948 - 04/08/11 10:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I went out for a quick trip before the alleged rain to come and found a little patch near the patch found yesterday. My pics suck about as much as the find. These are some tiny 'lil mofo's. I should have lowered the exposure. Oh well ... 


Maybe the rain will pump them up for a better flush. Then maybe I'll get some photogenic specimens as they
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14262515 - 04/09/11 10:35 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm getting close now. Unfortunately, by the time I got up, the post office had closed (yes, I did drink last night and couldn't find the will to get up early enough to go hunting, too). Monday though, the package will be weighed and sent off as per the picture and we'll know soon enough.
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14268213 - 04/10/11 05:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's getting really dry out there and they're REALLY FUCKING hard to find. As the heat increases, their size gets proportionately smaller and smaller. All the Conocybes have dried up and most of the Pans, too. This one patch you see here is on the low slope of a hill with trees blocking the direct afternoon rays. As you can tell by the photo, I gave them some love so they could sporulate in peace.
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14268535 - 04/10/11 07:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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well you know where to look earlier next year!
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Yup!!! Plus, I'm taking well water (pH neutral stuff; those Pan paps loved it last year and fruited by the hundreds per flush) to keep them alive. Atcually, since I watered it yesterday, the patch put out two more pins! Here's a quick vid of the patch
They'll probably put out one more flush right after it rains before it gets too hot. I'll be there to mark the general patches so I can observe them over the fall and coming Spring. Also, tomorrow, the package will be sent via USPS and hopefully by the end of the week we will have some light on the subject.
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14273854 - 04/11/11 05:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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The samples have been sent off. Anywho, I decided to go back for the hell of it (I'm starting to like tending to the lil guys) and get some more pics. But, while photographing the second marked patch, I heard what sounded like three consecutive reports a few seconds apart from each from a shotgun not 500 ft. into the other field. I didn't take the time to look and see what was going on. So I skedaddled via an alternate, more wooded route.



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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14277647 - 04/12/11 12:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ieponumos said: The samples have been sent off. Anywho, I decided to go back for the hell of it (I'm starting to like tending to the lil guys) and get some more pics. But, while photographing the second marked patch, I heard what sounded like three consecutive reports a few seconds apart from each from a shotgun not 500 ft. into the other field. I didn't take the time to look and see what was going on. So I skedaddled via an alternate, more wooded route.




Maybe it was turkey hunters. I not sure if it is turkey season in Florida but I know it is in Georgia
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
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Ieponumos said: The samples have been sent off. Anywho, I decided to go back for the hell of it (I'm starting to like tending to the lil guys) and get some more pics. But, while photographing the second marked patch, I heard what sounded like three consecutive reports a few seconds apart from each from a shotgun not 500 ft. into the other field. I didn't take the time to look and see what was going on. So I skedaddled via an alternate, more wooded route.




Maybe it was turkey hunters.
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: lsatrap]
#14282680 - 04/13/11 08:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Maybe it was turkey hunters. I not sure if it is turkey season in Florida but I know it is in Georgia
Quite possibly. I now use the low, wooded route staying in the high part of the field as little as possible.
EDIT: A;so, the storm knocked out my intarnet until just now.
Here's a photo from yesterday afternoon. Also, I was too lazy to get up this morning, so I think they can do without water until it cools this afternoon.
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14282817 - 04/13/11 09:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Damn, nice! I live in Dalton. Where exactly did you find that field?
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Sorry broham, my field ...
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14282838 - 04/13/11 09:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oh, sorry! I kinda skimmed through the rules.
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DeliriumTrigger said: Oh, sorry! I kinda skimmed through the rules.
I apologize for coming off like an ass, but I'm trying to protect my field especially since this is a pretty rare species. I'm risking my life and freedom to propagate this mushroom and am more than willing to.
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14282860 - 04/13/11 09:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's cool, I completely understand. It was a dumb thing to ask. :P
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DeliriumTrigger said: It's cool, I completely understand. It was a dumb thing to ask. :P
Nah man. I can understand wanting to know, but it's actually a pretty difficult to get to field. I have to literally go next to a damn swamp which I don't want to fall into, it could mean death via suffocation. Then I'm also trespassing on someone else's property and could get killed by the owner or or one of the steer there. Let me assure you it's a pain in the ass to get to. Anywho, it may be a bit dry for poo loving fungi in the fields right now as I've been looking in the general area of the patches I've found and nothing is there now. Only the patches I've been watering are still up right now. The best places to look now would be places artificially watered.
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14282901 - 04/13/11 09:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Didn't it just rain a LOT on the 11th? O_o That would mean today and yesterday would've been a good time to hunt, correct?
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DeliriumTrigger said: Didn't it just rain a LOT on the 11th? O_o That would mean today and yesterday would've been a good time to hunt, correct?
It rained for about like 2 hours kinda heavy (from here, it rains differently in different places), but was more lightning and thunder than rain here. I think it just pissed the plants off more than anything. If it rained more at your place, by all means don't let me stop you from hunting. You never know what you may find behind the next corner or even .... under the leaf litter right next to you. It's ALWAYS worth the expedition!!! Also, that rain we had like in the last week of March where it just rained and rained and rained for like 3 or 4 days is what spawned these Pans. The mycelium had been there a while, but the cool rain made them go into fruiting mode. So moderate, but long and penetrating rain is the key IME.
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14282955 - 04/13/11 09:51 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ahh, I see. Is the rain important for all the species? Or do certain ones not need wetness?
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DeliriumTrigger said: Didn't it just rain a LOT on the 11th? O_o That would mean today and yesterday would've been a good time to hunt, correct?
Also, if you want to increase you chances of getting some P. cubensis, I'd recommend wait for a big system to come through and go south where it's warmer at night. Even though actually, it's getting about right for them heat wise. Wait till lows in the 60's for cubes.
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DeliriumTrigger said: Ahh, I see. Is the rain important for all the species? Or do certain ones not need wetness?
they pretty much all love wet conditions. About 90% of a fresh mushroom's mass is water. That's why it takes an ounce of fresh subbs to get off. Even with the number I picked (which fresh measured 10g) I didn't get more high than nauseous.
EDIT: Also, two magic words
Microclimate and Microhabitat
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14283460 - 04/13/11 11:44 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ah, I see. Thanks for answering all my newby questions. Haha. I appreciate it. So are subbs crappy mushrooms or something?
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DeliriumTrigger said: Ah, I see. Thanks for answering all my newby questions. Haha. I appreciate it. So are subbs crappy mushrooms or something?
Define crappy ... they like poo and kinda taste like it, so I guess yeah. But then again, so do cubes. Also, they are generally said, though it depends on who you ask, to be weaker than Psilocybe species (unless you're talking about the Copelandia section of the genus Panaeolus) Also, I'm looking forward to seeing more local pictures, so I'm happy to help.
Plus, I'd rather you know about mushrooms so you don't potentially end up like aeromast, whose little brother ate mushrooms he left on the counter. They happened to be Galerina marginata and that kid is fighting against death itself, especially with a child's body mass ... Playing with mushrooms is like playing with guns, plain and simple.
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14283554 - 04/13/11 12:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah; I was following that thread. Pretty damn sad, especially if it ends up fatal. & I by crappy, I meant are they weak, and make you sicker than most?
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DeliriumTrigger said: Yeah; I was following that thread. Pretty damn sad, especially if it ends up fatal. & I by crappy, I meant are they weak, and make you sicker than most?
Yeah they make you sicker cause they don't digest as well. If you make a tea this is more negligible, but still don't be surprised if stomach discomfort comes your way with Panaeolus in general. And man seriously, that thread about the kid makes me want to keep my game straight.
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14283892 - 04/13/11 01:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ive heard that drying pans helps ? Although I didnt notice much stomach upset with the tea
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Spilalot]
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Spilabit said: Ive heard that drying pans helps ? Although I didnt notice much stomach upset with the tea
I did eat a bunch of stupid shit that day. Like loads of fiber on top of loads of acidic food, so I got what I deserved.
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14283965 - 04/13/11 01:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah, I still haven't gotten around to trying shrooms yet...Maybe Panaeolus isn't a good idea for a first experience? Really looking forward to it. Just need for it to rain good.
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DeliriumTrigger said: Yeah, I still haven't gotten around to trying shrooms yet...Maybe Panaeolus isn't a good idea for a first experience? Really looking forward to it. Just need for it to rain good.
Maybe not, but they do work. also have you looked into Gymnopilus species? They grow out of rotting wood. I'd recommend you look at a bunch of pictures and of course post a formatted ID request, but they've been found in this state by weiliiiiii a user who once was on this forum. They recommend beginners not to ID them themselves as they allege them to be able to be confused with Galerinas especially since they grow in similar habitats. Regardless that's what this forum is for, the identification of your mushrooms with properly provided information.
Some threads pertaining to Gyms
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13634084#13634084 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/2086621#2086621 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7063011#7063011
EDIT: One more really good and inspiring thread on Gyms
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14254803/fpart/all
One really good plus is they're fat as hell so one find has a better potential to provide a trip. they also contain a compound related to the constituents of Kava, so the trip of Gyms is rather unique.
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14284540 - 04/13/11 03:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm in Rome and our fields are either dry as hell or under water. I'm not finding any fungus now. Our best season is for cubes in the Fall. I love that rare find of yours leponomus.
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14284685 - 04/13/11 03:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Awesome! So logs/moss/rotting wood. Thanks for all your tips, man. Hopefully after the next time it rains, I can get some nice mushies.
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EDIT: Oh yeah, this is at what I assume to be 800X as the lens adapter says "2X magnification" For some reason, my DSLR doesn't recognize there is a lens attached and has an f0 aperture. I've emailed the vendor for more info, but no response just yet.
I'll take a pic of my stage micrometer in a little bit with this lens to adjust for pixels/micron
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14295674 - 04/15/11 01:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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 Each division approximates to .01 mm at 800X
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
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EDIT: This is at 2000X btw
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14300625 - 04/16/11 12:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I just went out today only to find this as the fruit I've been documenting

And to be chased out of the field by this bull (or steer, I didn't take the time to look at his sack)

Let me assure you he was not as disinterested this time as he appeared in this picture. I wish I could have gotten a pic, but I was too interested in saving my own skin.
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
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i went out to one of my fields and found these 2 Pans, they resemble yours in a way but i bet they are just paps. they got my excited for half a second.
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psylosymonreturns said: i went out to one of my fields and found these 2 Pans, they resemble yours in a way but i bet they are just paps. they got my excited for half a second.

Also, I habve a question. Since this time, I had my back turned from he beginning to that bull, will he start to try to chase me now? Should I do the front stance thing most cattle herding guides recommend? There were calves in the field at the time and now other cows really. It was also the neighbor's dog which tipped him off to me by pissing them off. I mean how hard is it to photograph some shrooms for Christ's sake ....?
EDIT: Also, I'm carrying my trusty hickory staff from now on. I also thought about taking a gun in case ...
One more thing, I got excited when I found those Pan paps in my yard, too. I'll be honest though, Panaeolus species excite me in general. Also, what sort of habitat were they found in? That exact spot?
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Looks like subbs to me, (Pan. cinctulus). The spores evel look it so... have u looked at the pleurocystidia etc?? sry if this has been covered, i havent read all 5 pages of this.
I can post some subb microscopies for comparison if u want. I only have at 1000x tho... my microscope is sub par.
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Subbedhunter420 said: Looks like subbs to me, (Pan. cinctulus). The spores evel look it so... have u looked at the pleurocystidia etc?? sry if this has been covered, i havent read all 5 pages of this.
I can post some subb microscopies for comparison if u want. I only have at 1000x tho... my microscope is sub par.
Mine can't really get good clarity either. Also, the gill samples are all waiting in Alan's mailbox. I might try my hand at gill samples when I find some more in a couple days, but until then, all we have are spores, spores and more spores. So you are right in wondering about gill samples.
EDIT: One thing though that seems to separate them from subbs to me is that they don't ever grow directly off of dung while subbs can fruit directly off of manure.
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
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honestly, for being the supposed subb master, I have likely found them on manure on average 1 out of a 1000 specimens.. literally.
like cyanescens which CAN grow in the wild habitats, but prefer woodchips, cinctulus(subbs) prefers lawns and hay piles over manure piles/other unlikely naturaly habitats...
Makes me wonder about their proliferance in the last hundred years or so... I wish there was a way to account specimens from the last few hundred years. haha.. do a scientifics microscopic comparison.. just my mind wandering tho..
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to be honest, I dunno; I want to know, but I don't. Anywho, the spores reminded me of this collection
 
This is a PNW find of Lawn P. olivaceus.
And a pic of mine to below
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its real close... gota wait for the cystidia analysis from alan. kudos!!
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Subbedhunter420 said: its real close... gota wait for the cystidia analysis from alan. kudos!!
Still post your pics from the subb collections as in weilii's find, one of the primary ways of determination by Workman was the size of the spores. So I dunno. Maybe they are subbs. It's still a fun find.
http://forums.mycotopia.net/wild-mushrooming-field-forest/50789-panaeolus-olivaceus.html Weiliiiiiii's find
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shitty pic but here u are.
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also something funny you might want to try for fun, If you can grow the spores and promote small sclerotia to form, you may have subbs. although, Ive never seen anybody but myself produce them from subbs.
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Subbedhunter, I have a question:
How often do you find subbs growing solitary? I've only seen these Pans here grow caespitose one time and that was the find with all the pans on that island/foil. It figures I picked them and didn't go back to charge my camera ...
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Those look pretty smooth to me. They remind me of my Panaeolus papillionaceus spores in their smoothness
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I rarely find them caespitose. I find them usually growing in a clump or scattered by the dozens or hundreds. Southern california makes a perfect place for their prolific growth.
 
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Subbedhunter420 said: I rarely find them caespitose. I find them usually growing in a clump or scattered by the dozens or hundreds. Southern california makes a perfect place for their prolific growth.
  
Dude, you have some epic patches. I shit not, good sir!
Actually, now that I think of it, I've seen them do the caespitose thing twice, but these pans fruit way more sparsely usually 3-6 at a time. and usually the fruits ar often 6 to 8 inches apart. They also fruit pretty solitary too. Here are some solitary Pans I've seen


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Subbedhunter420 said: Looks like subbs to me, (Pan. cinctulus). The spores evel look it so... have u looked at the pleurocystidia etc??
No members of Panaeolus have pleurocystidia, except maybe for P. fimicola which has strange brown pleurocystidia. I am not sure if it is supposed to though.
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Looks like the spores are guttulate, which points in the direction of Panaeolus olivaceus. Were the spores compltely smooth or slightly roughened? The roughness is fine and will be on the edge of what your microscope can do, you will need to close the aperture on the condenser, use the 100x oil immersion objective, set up kohler illumination properly and adjust the fine focus just right to see it.
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Thasnk you alan, That was simply out of ignorance i think that i said that. It's been quite a while and quite a road ive been on since my glory days with you guys, (auweia, you, Curecat, Coon *rip*) etc. Ive forgotten a lot.
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Subbedhunter420 said: Looks like subbs to me, (Pan. cinctulus). The spores evel look it so... have u looked at the pleurocystidia etc??
No members of Panaeolus have pleurocystidia, except maybe for P. fimicola which has strange brown pleurocystidia. I am not sure if it is supposed to though.
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Looks like the spores are guttulate, which points in the direction of Panaeolus olivaceus. Were the spores compltely smooth or slightly roughened? The roughness is fine and will be on the edge of what your microscope can do, you will need to close the aperture on the condenser, use the 100x oil immersion objective, set up kohler illumination properly and adjust the fine focus just right to see it.
That was under the oil immersion objective with the cheap stuff they included with the model. I want to get some Cargille, but I be broke. And about 3/4 to 4/5 of the spores have those roughened feature. Also, about the Kohler illumination, were you talking to Subbedhunter?
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With the roughened spores they must be P. olivaceus. Check the cystidia on the gill edges. The kohler illumination comment was directed at you. Not sure if your scope supports it though.
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Alan Rockefeller said: With the roughened spores they must be P. olivaceus. Check the cystidia on the gill edges. The kohler illumination comment was directed at you. Not sure if your scope supports it though.
From what I've been reading, a field diaphragm is required for Kohler illumination. Mine has a dial to reduce the intensity of the light on my light source, but not to adjust the aperture of its field. Would this work for Kohler?
EDIT: What about making a field diaphram?
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Just went out there and found nothing. At least I didn't have to deal with any bulls this time. There are some straggling Conocybe fruiting and the Bolbitius are fruiting in great numbers. The Agrocybe soroia from not too long ago are still buttons, when more mature, I'll try again.
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Now for some real Pans ...

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Nice pics! I'm jealous.  EDIT: Is that Peyote in your sig?
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More from today
This was a first that I had seen such pronounced striations on the pileus. It's probably due to the lack of moisture.


I'm still working on getting exposure down to second nature. As you can see from some of them, I still have some learning to do.
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I lowered the contrast and brightness some so you can see the texture of the pileus better.
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This is a very interesting thread. Keep up the good work
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Well, I don't think I'm going out this morning ... We gots the rain going on.
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Is that gona be good for your situation you think?
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Subbedhunter420 said: Is that gona be good for your situation you think?
A little bit


 I saw about 10 total today and picked three. In the process of picking more I destroyed them in field. So their spores are still there.
EDIT:

That's about how big that pin was.
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I've been keeping up with this thread and I'm still not clear. Is this Panaeolus olivaceus for sure?
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lsatrap said: I've been keeping up with this thread and I'm still not clear. Is this Panaeolus olivaceus for sure?
Here's the deal: so far, the samples are waiting in Alan's mailbox. In 6 days, the package will be returned to my place thanks to the confirmation package my father purchased when he took it to the post office before work. From the pics I can take and the quality of my microsope objective/illumination makes it difficult to get high contrast, resolution bearing pic, so it's hard for me to say for sure. The spores look roughened from the crappy micrographs I took.
Also, I've been trying and failing at taking gill samples. I could have sworn there was a really good thread on this in advanced mycology, but I'm having difficulty pulling it back up.
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Well I sure hope it turns out to be. That would be such a cool find.
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Hey What are those wispy mushrooms in bottom left of pic called? I find them nearly every time I go on my cube hunts.
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Coprinoid; most likely a Coprinopsis.
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So... shit. I think I found some of these just the other day when I was cruising around some grassy lawn in Atlanta looking for weilii. I picked it up just out of curiosity and took a spore print. The gills were mottled, spore print was black... but I'm totally unfamiliar with pans and I'm pretty new to hunting wild actives, so I just assumed it was some kind of psathyrella and threw them back on the ground! 
But still, it seems like even the experts are having trouble identifying this even with microscopy... I wouldn't trust myself to make an ID.
I'll try to go back and collect some more and hopefully get some decent pics and see what y'all think.
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Nunbuh_Chrubble said: So... shit. I think I found some of these just the other day when I was cruising around some grassy lawn in Atlanta looking for weilii. I picked it up just out of curiosity and took a spore print. The gills were mottled, spore print was black... but I'm totally unfamiliar with pans and I'm pretty new to hunting wild actives, so I just assumed it was some kind of psathyrella and threw them back on the ground! 
But still, it seems like even the experts are having trouble identifying this even with microscopy... I wouldn't trust myself to make an ID.
I'll try to go back and collect some more and hopefully get some decent pics and see what y'all think.
Pics man, pics!!!! Seriously, weiliiiiii found them around Atlanta. They are really widely distributed and REALLY EASY to overlook.
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I went out today and I just wanted to report I saw a whole lot of nothin'. Sorry for the useless post.
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Ieponumos said: I went out today and I just wanted to report I saw a whole lot of nothin'. Sorry for the useless post.
We should get some soon after the intense rain yesterday though.
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We should get some soon after the intense rain yesterday though. 
If it weren't for finals, I'd be checking more often.
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Well, so far Alan thinks it's cinctulus unless the ornamentation is really fine (as Alan suggested some SE micrographs would settle that problem), too fine for his scope to pick up.
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Still nice finds , what ever they turn out to be .
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Re: Panaeolus olivaceus? [Re: Ieponumos]
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I did some microscopy of these specimens and the spores do appear to be very finely ornamented.
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Here are some micrographs of a specimen I found last week.
2 Panaeolina foenisecii (top and bottom) and 1 Panaeolus olivaceus (middle)

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Man that is great
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I just wanted to post a comparison of these specimens against a west coast cinctulus and olivaceus confirmation. Mind you this is the same camera and scope. Micrographs are the property of BlimeyGrimey
   cinctulus East coast olivaceus West coast olivaceus
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