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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Joolz]
#14211277 - 03/30/11 06:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i dont think ethnics do no work... thats they problem, really..
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: quinn]
#14212154 - 03/30/11 09:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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quinn said: my work ethic isnt working 
could any1 suggest a good work ethic ethic?
I like that, it's not working. This is always perceived as a bad thing. We reinforce the idea that work ethic is good by even thinking and speaking in these terms that society has us thinking and speaking in. After all, if a person is not working, isn't that perceived as negative (despite unemployment rate)? Just like when anything else isn't working or doesn't work.
I don't know enough about utilitarianism to make this claim, but fuck utilitarianism
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid] 1
#14214356 - 03/31/11 11:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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A strong work ethic overcomes direct selfishness, establishing some motivation greater than immediate personal gain to drive human action.
Manipulating this motivation in others can prove beneficial to selfish people.
What are your thoughts regarding a work ethic applied in a non-profit organization, government, co-op, etc. where the benefits of one's efforts are supposedly more widely distributed?
What about working for yourself?
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Freedom]
#14214418 - 03/31/11 11:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Freedom said: Some of the hardest working people I've known were business owners, doctors, lawyers and scientists.
Yep. A willingness to do for yourself and not be a parasitic loser. Sheeple does not enter into the equation. Say Diploid did you know that performing hard work even for somebody else can impact your lot in life positively? It's true. You get promotions and raises and shit. Who knew?
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid]
#14214508 - 03/31/11 12:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i equate work ethic with energy or chi (keep reading plx ), and as such it's actually completely central to human happiness. Although, you don't have to put it towards anything, having lots of chi kept inward and not used is really the foundation of bliss. But it feels good to influence external reality as well, in the form of art and overall lifestyle. It's hard to see what the flow is when your days are all the same And having a good work ethic is paramount to erecting the awesome structures in life that bring about diversity and newness
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Kid_Orgo]
#14214655 - 03/31/11 12:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Weltall said: I always thought work ethic was the want and willingness to do a job and do it correctly to the best of your own ability.
To me, work ethic is taking the time and effort to "do it right," whatever that may mean in any context.
I don't cut corners on tasks, I hate it when people do. While I might not always get it right, it won't be for lack of trying on my part.
Same feeling applies for a job.
Maybe it's shameful to be a working "sheeple," but I think being bad at your job or not trying are more shameful.
It might be a bit different because I'm an engineer and there is professional pride (and people's lives) at stake, but I'd like to think I'd be just as dedicated if I was a cashier, being friendly and ringing up people's groceries.
EDIT: Showing up on time every day looking nice, too. It says "I give a fuck about what I do here, the money you're paying me isn't wasted"
This.
I don't get it why you equate work ethic with having to work jobs you don't like for people you don't like. That's just sucking at life, not work ethics fault you dirty commies...
Would you say fuck work ethics if you had your own business and the amount and quality of work was directly proportional to your income? Maybe that's why ya'll got shitty jobs...
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Say Diploid did you know that performing hard work even for somebody else can impact your lot in life positively?
I dunno. I'm fortunate to be pretty well off and don't have to work. But if I did, I would not give more than a fair exchange for my wages. Sacrificing for one's work (read: for the owner of the means of production) sucks in my book.
Life is short. People should work in order to live, not live for their work, IMO.
You can do as you please. Hey, I'll hire you, sure! Come sacrifice to amplify my fortune. I'll let you work overtime for free and everything.
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid]
#14217186 - 03/31/11 08:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Everybody's gotta work mang, whether its for the man or not is a question of your situation. But there's not a person on this planet that isn't going to have to work hard in some way during their lifetime.
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: g00ru] 2
#14217279 - 03/31/11 09:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Plenty of people are born into wealth and never work a day in their life, unless you're counting the tennis court at the country club as work.
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid]
#14217597 - 03/31/11 09:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Diploid said: Plenty of people are born into wealth and never work a day in their life, unless you're counting the tennis court at the country club as work.
It is a very small minority of people that are able to live like this. Most people with money aren't inclined to let their children bum off of them throughout adulthood in my experience.
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: 4896744]
#14218093 - 03/31/11 11:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid]
#14219546 - 04/01/11 08:35 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Diploid said: Say Diploid did you know that performing hard work even for somebody else can impact your lot in life positively?
I dunno. I'm fortunate to be pretty well off and don't have to work. But if I did, I would not give more than a fair exchange for my wages. Sacrificing for one's work (read: for the owner of the means of production) sucks in my book.
Life is short. People should work in order to live, not live for their work, IMO.
Some people find meaning and reward in being useful. Others are happy to be useless. Not your business what other people do.Quote:
You can do as you please. Hey, I'll hire you, sure! Come sacrifice to amplify my fortune. I'll let you work overtime for free and everything. 
Well actually I would work for you to amplify my fortune. Whether yours increases is not my main concern although I realize that I might have more leverage to get more pay if it does. Do you think employers hire people for fun? I also understand that the sole purpose of any company is and should be to provide a return for the owners. If they aren't making money the company goes away. No more jobs for anybody.
Trustafarians, LOL. I wouldn't hire you. You have quite a highly developed sense of entitlement and personal specialness. You are neither. The sole purpose of me hiring you would be to increase my fortune. Increasing your fortune is the price I pay for that. Since you don't care I don't need you
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Diploid said: Say Diploid did you know that performing hard work even for somebody else can impact your lot in life positively?
I dunno. I'm fortunate to be pretty well off and don't have to work. But if I did, I would not give more than a fair exchange for my wages. Sacrificing for one's work (read: for the owner of the means of production) sucks in my book.
Life is short. People should work in order to live, not live for their work, IMO.
Some people find meaning and reward in being useful. Others are happy to be useless. Not your business what other people do.Quote:
You can do as you please. Hey, I'll hire you, sure! Come sacrifice to amplify my fortune. I'll let you work overtime for free and everything. 
Well actually I would work for you to amplify my fortune. Whether yours increases is not my main concern although I realize that I might have more leverage to get more pay if it does. Do you think employers hire people for fun? I also understand that the sole purpose of any company is and should be to provide a return for the owners. If they aren't making money the company goes away. No more jobs for anybody.
Trustafarians, LOL. I wouldn't hire you. You have quite a highly developed sense of entitlement and personal specialness. You are neither. The sole purpose of me hiring you would be to increase my fortune. Increasing your fortune is the price I pay for that. Since you don't care I don't need you
It doesn't appear that you are currently in the position to hire anyone and haven't been for quite some time.
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Some people find meaning and reward in being useful.
Yeah? So what? Did I say otherwise?
One can be useful in ways that enrich the community instead of the wealthy. That extra five hours of free labor you can give to your boss or volunteering somewhere. I chose the latter.
The sole purpose of me hiring you would be to increase my fortune.
The sole purpose of me working for you is to increase MY fortune, not yours. Sauce for the goose and all that, yeah?
That's not to say I would steal from you or shirk my responsibilities, in case you're reading that into my comments. But sacrificing for you or my job? Not a chance. I'm not part of the brainwashed herd.
And if you were hard up and had to lay me off, you would do it in a heartbeat, no matter how much I might have sacrificed for your company. We each look out for ourselves... well, unless you're a member of the herd.
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Lack of work ethic is bad in any culture at any time. We all have to work for something, or you become an arrogant, self-entitled douche bag. And blaming your lack of desire to work on your avoidance of becoming sheeple...well that's just an half-assed attempt at blaming "corporations" or "the man" for your outright laziness. You reap what you sow brothers.
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That's what bosses love to hear.
Wanna come work for me? I have a messy garage that needs tidying up. You can work really hard for me and I won't mind. Really! Go the extra mile for me man. It's good for the culture. Think of the children!
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Re: Work Ethic [Re: Diploid]
#14219771 - 04/01/11 09:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Everyone works for something. Just look how hard you work at trolling posts. Fortunately, you can clean the garage yourself (or don't because you're too "well off" and lazy) because my hard work continues to pay off. I work for some really rad people and have a fun time making money to support my family. And guess what? I still have plenty of free time to donate to my fellow brothers and sisters.
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I'm sure your rad employer loves you. No doubt. 
Get back to me when things turn and you get laid off without so much as a thank you card. My garage will still need cleaning.
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Toltecatl said: Lack of work ethic is bad in any culture at any time. We all have to work for something, or you become an arrogant, self-entitled douche bag. And blaming your lack of desire to work on your avoidance of becoming sheeple...well that's just an half-assed attempt at blaming "corporations" or "the man" for your outright laziness. You reap what you sow brothers.
Whoever said I had a lack of desire to work? I work around the homestead and at a community college. I don't work for a corporation because I have other choices which are more appealing. If you want to work for a corporation, go for it!
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Toltecatl said: Lack of work ethic is bad in any culture at any time. We all have to work for something, or you become an arrogant, self-entitled douche bag. And blaming your lack of desire to work on your avoidance of becoming sheeple...well that's just an half-assed attempt at blaming "corporations" or "the man" for your outright laziness. You reap what you sow brothers.
Winning!!!
Also some people don't understand what work ethic means here...
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