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"You just fu***** killed a family...
    #1421755 - 04/01/03 06:35 PM (14 years, 25 days ago)

A journalist's account of the killing of a car full of Iraqi civilians by US soldiers differs widely from the official military version, says Brian Whitaker

:confused:

Granted, this is a very left leaning media source... however, they are not the only ones reporting about this incident. 


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Re: "You just fu***** killed a family... [Re: grib]
    #1421789 - 04/01/03 06:55 PM (14 years, 25 days ago)

There was a quote on the news earlier from a British commander (I think) about this incident, saying that he'd have just let the vehicle carry on and put it down to "one that got away". Seems more like there's a kind of 'if in doubt shoot the fuck out if it' policy amongst the U.S troops rather than restraint and a bit of common sense.


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Re: [Re: Sorted]
    #1421796 - 04/01/03 06:57 PM (14 years, 25 days ago)

On one hand...I can understand that decision in light of the recent suicide bomb incident resulting in the deaths of 4 soldiers, but a certain degree of restraint should still be used.


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Re: [Re: Rono]
    #1421803 - 04/01/03 07:01 PM (14 years, 25 days ago)

Easy for you to say.


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Re: "You just fu***** killed a family... [Re: grib]
    #1421808 - 04/01/03 07:05 PM (14 years, 25 days ago)

Quote:

Granted, this is a very left leaning media source...


The Guardian? C'mon, maybe it is to an American reader, but it's rather center left.


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Re: [Re: Rono]
    #1421819 - 04/01/03 07:13 PM (14 years, 25 days ago)

Quote:

I can understand that decision in light of the recent suicide bomb incident resulting in the deaths of 4 soldiers



Old saying...
Fool me once... shame on you.
Fool me twice.... shame on me.

Perhaps the van should have stopped. I think if I saw a group of guys with M-16's at a roadblock, I wouldn't try to blaze on past. It was a stupid move.


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Re: [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1421900 - 04/01/03 08:12 PM (14 years, 25 days ago)

> Old saying...
> Fool me once... shame on you.
> Fool me twice.... shame on me.
I like Bush's version better...


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Re: [Re: Xibalba]
    #1421906 - 04/01/03 08:16 PM (14 years, 25 days ago)

Why does that not surprise me?

He is definitely not a good public speaker. I'm not sure I would be either if millions were watching and waiting for flubs.


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Re: "You just fu***** killed a family... [Re: grib]
    #1421978 - 04/02/03 01:25 AM (14 years, 25 days ago)

So what's the problem, didn't you ever kill a family?


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    #1422266 - 04/02/03 04:26 AM (14 years, 25 days ago)

If you were in Iraq, and thought that American soldiers were bad and would kill you, there standing in your country invading your people with their huge guns, and then hearing a warning shot, I think you would be freaked out and flee, hoping not to be killed.

I dont think it was either a smart or dumb move...they were most likely scared shitless.... Same with the soldiers Im sure.


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Re: [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1422276 - 04/02/03 04:38 AM (14 years, 25 days ago)

Most other public speakers seem to manage it ok. He has just got a low IQ and he is not fit to be the president of a golf club let alone the US.


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Re: [Re: angryshroom]
    #1422336 - 04/02/03 05:39 AM (14 years, 24 days ago)

Quote:

If you were in Iraq, and thought that American soldiers were bad and would kill you, there standing in your country invading your people with their huge guns, and then hearing a warning shot, I think you would be freaked out and flee, hoping not to be killed.

I dont think it was either a smart or dumb move...they were most likely scared shitless.... Same with the soldiers Im sure.



Who the hell are you to tell me what I'd do?

First, it was a roadblock. The people must have been able to see it as they approached. They were in a car that was overloaded and had no chance of outrunning a rock, much less bullets.

It was a stupid move . They brought about their own demise.

It wouldn't surprise me if the driver (I think he was male) deliberately brought this upon those in the car for the headlines. I have no way to know this of course but it wouldn't surprise me from a country where men think there will be 70 virgins waiting for them.


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Re: [Re: GazzBut]
    #1422338 - 04/02/03 05:42 AM (14 years, 24 days ago)

Quote:

Most other public speakers seem to manage it ok. He has just got a low IQ and he is not fit to be the president of a golf club let alone the US.




There are many people who suck at public speaking whether you choose to admit it or not.

Second I'm aware of your feelings about Bush and considering the source (you), I have no problem discounting them.


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Re: [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1422341 - 04/02/03 05:47 AM (14 years, 24 days ago)

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It wouldn't surprise me if the driver (I think he was male) deliberately brought this upon those in the car for the headlines. I have no way to know this of course but it wouldn't surprise me from a country where men think there will be 70 virgins waiting for them.




You seem to know a lot about Iraqui people and their culture. I wonder what your source is? :mad: 


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Re: [Re: zeronio]
    #1422344 - 04/02/03 05:49 AM (14 years, 24 days ago)

It would seem I know more about reading than you do.

I was careful NOT to state anything as fact.


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Re: [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1422346 - 04/02/03 05:53 AM (14 years, 24 days ago)

Quote:

a country where men think there will be 70 virgins waiting for them.




You stated this as a fact.


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Re: [Re: zeronio]
    #1422347 - 04/02/03 05:54 AM (14 years, 24 days ago)

Nothing in my post was stated as fact.

Get an education.


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Re: [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1422351 - 04/02/03 06:01 AM (14 years, 24 days ago)

You show such profound understanding of arabic culture. I wonder what your education is. You must be an anthropologist or something.
And a little trivia for those who are not so highly educated. Do you know where the oldest written story on earth - Epic of Gilgamesh - comes from?

PS. That's not for you Luv. I'm sure you read it.


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Re: [Re: zeronio]
    #1422361 - 04/02/03 06:11 AM (14 years, 24 days ago)

Quote:

You show such profound understanding of arabic culture. I wonder what your education is. You must be an anthropologist or something.
And a little trivia for those who are not so highly educated. Do you know where the oldest written story on earth - Epic of Gilgamesh - comes from?

PS. That's not for you Luv. I'm sure you read it.




I have never claimed, nor do I possess, a profound nature of Arabic culture. That is why I was careful not to state anything in that post as fact.

And no, I'm not an anthropologist, nor apparently are you an english major if you think I stated anything in that post as fact.

Now, I'm free to carry on with this all day but it seems rather silly of you.


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Re: [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1422371 - 04/02/03 06:18 AM (14 years, 24 days ago)

OK, sorry... english is only my third language.
Your "70 virgins" remark pissed me off. Someone could say the same for Utah mormons, for example.


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