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Why do people think death will answer their questions?
    #14217120 - 03/31/11 08:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

We have so many questions, so many things sitting just beyond what we can reach, and we like to think that when death comes we will understand.  But what makes people think that?  Who's to say that the next step doesn't leave us just as mystified about what's after THAT?


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Re: Why do people think death will answer their questions? [Re: tokinman21]
    #14217142 - 03/31/11 08:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

there's the unknown which we can eventually come to know

and then there is the unknowable....


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Re: Why do people think death will answer their questions? [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #14217574 - 03/31/11 09:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Maybe death ultimately points to something after which there is no after.

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and then there is the unknowable....




I wonder where it is.. :stoned:


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Re: Why do people think death will answer their questions? [Re: Tony]
    #14217627 - 03/31/11 10:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Because they are asking the wrong question?


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Re: Why do people think death will answer their questions? [Re: teknix]
    #14217817 - 03/31/11 10:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I've looked to death as a point of release before. Where anything that can be held is torn from any kind of grip. But that's just a guess and not something I'm depending on.

IMO the reason I look there is it's a safe place to put speculation. Nothing is going to prove it wrong :smirk:


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Re: Why do people think death will answer their questions? [Re: Kickle]
    #14219201 - 04/01/11 05:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I feel like I died at some point... I had the memories of all of my life in front of me as if they just happened. There was the classic tunnel with the light at the end of it. I saw a laying eight out of pure energy, going in circles. The next morning I woke up and looked at my hands. I've never seen these hands before, they were completely alien.
Since then I allow a possibility I already died... and since then I'm noticing a lot of weird things and even miracles on occasion. I also get my answers answered, but for some reason I keep asking more and more... and the more i know, the less there is.


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Re: Why do people think death will answer their questions? [Re: tokinman21]
    #14219205 - 04/01/11 05:51 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i think its more that it would put an end to being able to question


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Re: Why do people think death will answer their questions? [Re: tokinman21]
    #14219342 - 04/01/11 07:09 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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tokinman21 said:
We have so many questions, so many things sitting just beyond what we can reach, and we like to think that when death comes we will understand.  But what makes people think that?  Who's to say that the next step doesn't leave us just as mystified about what's after THAT?





Probably for similar reasons why they choose to believe in afterlifes, heaven, or other things without any positive or probable evidence of their existance whatsoever.

It is emotionally satisfying to believe you have no particular vulnerability to physical processes just as it is satisfying to be able to trust that unsettling questions will be answered whether your right, wrong, think really hard, do nothing, et cet.

For the same reason people ask the "big questions", people make up doctrines that the questions will be answered after death.  I presume they choose death because they seen no way they can be disproved, so it serves as a nice shield from criticism- same reason why people in this forum often assert things are not disproven in defense of an idea: provides some relief from the cognitive dissonance they're experiencing and allows them to go on believing whatever they want to make up.


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Re: Why do people think death will answer their questions? [Re: tokinman21]
    #14220210 - 04/01/11 11:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

well i think that what happens is this.

you spend your whole life trying to remember what it was to die...so that you can avoid being born into confusion all over again.

you die and 'figure it all out', and then are sucked into another physical life just to remember all that you forgot when you were born.

this is why people of all walks of life spend lifetimes disciplining their minds.  it is all completely done in anticipation that when they die, they will never have to be born again.

so you're right and wrong in my opinion.  people look to death to answer their questions because it will, all to be forgotten again after your new birth...of course unless you "escape death" through what they call "awakening".

the tibetan book of the dead is very very specific when it comes to the 'proper' way to exit your body at the moment of death so that your cycle of births may finally come to an end.

this might also be where people get the idea of different 'levels' of heaven and hell, based on your level of awakening in the previous life.

of course all the buddhas and those who are awake get to chill in ecstasy forever...they never "forget" again, like i said in the beginning.


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Re: Why do people think death will answer their questions? [Re: desert father]
    #14220295 - 04/01/11 11:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

^That's a nice fantasy, but I see no reason for believing it.

I personally don't believe in souls, or an existence beyond this world, but that does not preclude the possibility of "rebirth." It simply changes the concept.


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Re: Why do people think death will answer their questions? [Re: desert father]
    #14220545 - 04/01/11 12:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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desert father said:
well i think that what happens is this.

you spend your whole life trying to remember what it was to die...so that you can avoid being born into confusion all over again.

you die and 'figure it all out', and then are sucked into another physical life just to remember all that you forgot when you were born.

this is why people of all walks of life spend lifetimes disciplining their minds.  it is all completely done in anticipation that when they die, they will never have to be born again.

so you're right and wrong in my opinion.  people look to death to answer their questions because it will, all to be forgotten again after your new birth...of course unless you "escape death" through what they call "awakening".

the tibetan book of the dead is very very specific when it comes to the 'proper' way to exit your body at the moment of death so that your cycle of births may finally come to an end.

this might also be where people get the idea of different 'levels' of heaven and hell, based on your level of awakening in the previous life.

of course all the buddhas and those who are awake get to chill in ecstasy forever...they never "forget" again, like i said in the beginning.




Right, but that's my point.  No matter what you believe, eventually MOST PEOPLE have the goal to stop cycling.  But who's to say when you stop cycling (if you ever do) that you don't just start a new cycle on a different level that's every bit as mysterious as this one?


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Re: Why do people think death will answer their questions? [Re: tokinman21]
    #14225028 - 04/02/11 08:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i guess that's what keeps everyone from killing themselves, the mystery?

or is that a good reason to actually commit suicide? to figure out the mystery?


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Re: Why do people think death will answer their questions? [Re: NetDiver]
    #14225037 - 04/02/11 08:09 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

what would your impression of dreaming be then?

you certainly are aware of your dream, and until you wake up you have no reason to believe it to be false, so does that make your dream an alternate reality? or as you put it a world beyond this existence? does dreaming count?


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Re: Why do people think death will answer their questions? [Re: desert father]
    #14227324 - 04/02/11 05:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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desert father said:
i guess that's what keeps everyone from killing themselves, the mystery?

or is that a good reason to actually commit suicide? to figure out the mystery?




Haha well actually once on a trip I decided that, even though I certainly wouldn't go there, that that's the only legitimate reason for suicide.  The next morning I retracted that thought...


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Re: Why do people think death will answer their questions? [Re: tokinman21]
    #14227677 - 04/02/11 06:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The only thing you can be sure of in life is death (and taxes).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vajrayana
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebirth_(Buddhism)


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Re: Why do people think death will answer their questions? [Re: lolwut]
    #14227755 - 04/02/11 07:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i think you have to answer the questions before you die on this level. if you do and get them right you move on. i think the key is to develop a strong spirit here and now. if your spirit is weak you are reborn faster. if it is strong and not attached to this world you move to another level.


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Re: Why do people think death will answer their questions? [Re: Goose]
    #14227766 - 04/02/11 07:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Questions :feelsweirdman:


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