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trscstghst
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drug testing info
#14214539 - 03/31/11 12:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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does anyone know of any creditable sorces that state that marijuana can be detected in urine, even after 45+ days without using? my GF was just put in jail for a probation violation, and while i know i cant change that ruling. i would still like to find some info that a judge (a quite opened minded yet misinformed one) would accually take into consideration when handing down sentences. he just flat out did not believe that a urine screen could come back dirty after 30 days, and that is true for most people, but there are many variables that could cause longer detection times. i really would just like to send something to the judge and da to let them know that the 30 day rule is not entirely accurate
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regardless of how many days it was, it happened, deal with it. next time tell her to take some "test in"
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thanks for not ansering my ?? i have delt with it and am not even upset about it. i simply want to educate my public officials about something they should know. so that mabe they will not just call similar cases that come before them in the future "open and shut"
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I don't have any tangible proof for you, but I failed a UA after abstaining from cannabis for over 35 days. I can't recall the exact timeline but it was well over 30 days by at least a week.
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Re: drug testing info [Re: SuperD]
#14221394 - 04/01/11 02:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you want to get some evidence, you'll want to get the results of the test and provide them.
"positive" and "drug test" are not specific enough to allow any determination of what evidence might rebut the finding.
As for detection of metabolites after 30 days, the judge is clearly wrong, if that's what he thinks.
For example, delta 1 THC can have a halflife (not sure if its the carboxy metabolite) of over ten days in some folks, and still be detectable after a month (delta nine carboxy THC I believe is the standard metabolite in NIDC testing, and most common one looked for ):
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=heavy+marijuana+use+elimination+time+urine&btnG=Search&as_sdt=0%2C36&as_ylo=&as_vis=0
I believe this paper showing up to ten day half lives (which would allow detection after a month, contrary to the judge's opinion) is for carboxy delta 9 THC, the most common agent tested for:
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/pres/jat/1989/00000013/00000004/art00008
A paper which should pretty much prove the judge's position is wrong, and clearly shows detection above a cut off value after 45 days cessation, is below. Again, this doesn't neccesarily help the case scientifically, and we'll need information on what the test actually showed, but going on just what you said, the judge is obviously wrong. (probation departments and courts have some pretty ridiculous scientific understandings at times, for example: thinking the concentration of metabolite by volume going up is indicative of new/continued use, et cet
http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/reprint/37/11/1927
Depending on what procedures the dept/laboratory use and what results they have, they may be wrong.
It really irritates me how science is abused so much in criminal courts and how they'll take judicial notice of facts that are scientifically unproven and let cops and probation officers testify about stuff they are obviously clueless of, but if you want to get some hearsay evidence in that might exonerate someone, or have some ability to aggressively cross examine a witness, its an impossibility
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Re: drug testing info [Re: johnm214]
#14223665 - 04/01/11 10:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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i don't think yall understand a judges position. drug test aren't graded, there is no passing w/ a 99%. you have to pass them 100% or it is a fail and the judge knows that you did drugs. don't think a judges position is wrong, ever. they always are right, that is why they are the judge. not trying to be mean, that is just how it is.
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Re: drug testing info [Re: johnm214]
#14224900 - 04/02/11 06:39 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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thanks for the links. and she tested over 10 ng/l on a lab test not the strip type. she was a heavy smoker and showed a much higher level on the previous test which was administered 45 days prior. she totally abstained in that time period, other than synthetics. she also tested clean for a job interview the next day after the positive from probation, which was the same type of test and they even used the same lab.
and yes shaggy i know you are right
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Edited by trscstghst (04/02/11 06:41 AM)
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Are you sure you are giving us correct information? A level of 100ng/ml or 10ng/ml seems more likely, 100ppb to 10ppb
Either way, both values (canabinoid concentration, specifics in file) are clearly documented in the last resource I've posted as being produced in people that are 45 days abstinant from marijuana.
If what you are saying is correct, this is indeed an unjustice in my opinion. Courts should not be throwing people in jail like this, especially as I'm sure they didn't have any compotent testimony at her hearing, right? Just some probation officer testifying about what the report said and what usual procedure is- none of which have anything to do with the question of whether it proves she smoked at a time less than 45 days ago.
This kinda crap pisses me off. If I knew the case, I'd probably file notice myself in the case, presenting the evidence.
If the facts are as you say, please get moving. Contact her lawyer- I doubt you have anything to loose. (public defender? local guy who schmoozes but can't be bothered to do the five minutes of google scholar research it took for me to find those papers?)
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Re: drug testing info [Re: johnm214]
#14224929 - 04/02/11 07:08 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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yes she has a very shity public pretender, he didnt even recognize her or have her file with him on the day of court and the only person who got a chance to speak was the prosecuter, who basicly said that she had to have used within the last 30 days to have had any detectable canabinoid metabolites in her urine.
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Edited by trscstghst (04/02/11 07:15 AM)
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and it was 10ng/l not ml i think im going by memory here but i will try to get a copy of the results. very very low almost undetectable, her last test prior was over 100ng/l
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Edited by trscstghst (04/02/11 07:20 AM)
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iateshaggy
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a public defender work for the courts, not the clients. your only hope in reversing this would be with a real lawyer.
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trscstghst said: and it was 10ng/l not ml i think im going by memory here but i will try to get a copy of the results. very very low almost undetectable, her last test prior was over 100ng/l
10ng/l is ridiculous. I haven't smoked more than 4 times in the past 3 years and I'd probably still read over that level.
A few years back my best friend got a possession charge and had to do the UA shit. One time he showed up as 4ng/ml and was freaking out.
Until I told him that the recruitment requirements for the fucking Department of Defense/ FBI/CIA/NSA etc were limited at 15ng/ml.
At any rate, he printed off those pages, showed them to the judge and explained that if he could get hired by the VERY TOP government agencies with his piss test, how the fuck are they going to violate him on probation.
They let him go.
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