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Invisible5-HT2A
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MDMA Loss of Magic - Could Ibogaine Be A Cure?
    #14211966 - 03/30/11 08:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Does anyone know if the "resetting" of multiple receptor systems caused by Ibogaine can reverse "loss of magic" with MDMA due to excessive use? I am not able to find information on this, but it seems that it could be possible. It seems that loss of magic might be due to some change in gene expression, but who really knows? :shrug:


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Re: MDMA Loss of Magic - Could Ibogaine Be A Cure? [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14212000 - 03/30/11 09:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Why don't you just lay off the E for a minute, it (the magic) comes back..


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Re: MDMA Loss of Magic - Could Ibogaine Be A Cure? [Re: RedSnapper]
    #14212355 - 03/30/11 10:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I wouldn't be surprised if an ibogaine session could help out future rolls by acting as an antidepressant, it seems to be a pretty amazing compound, but I'm pretty sure loss of magic isn't caused by a change in gene expression... it's called tolerance, and for MDMA it lasts a very long time. All it takes for the magic to come back is enough patience. Treat it for what it is, a special experience.


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Re: MDMA Loss of Magic - Could Ibogaine Be A Cure? [Re: RedSnapper]
    #14212356 - 03/30/11 10:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I agree with Snapper, pretty big leap to take.


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Re: MDMA Loss of Magic - Could Ibogaine Be A Cure? [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14212368 - 03/30/11 10:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I dunno, I think all drugs lose their magic permanently after the first few good times. I think it has to do with getting an understanding of how the drug affects you, it's no longer as much of a surprise when you know and anticipate whats about to happen... but thats just how I feel.


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Re: MDMA Loss of Magic - Could Ibogaine Be A Cure? [Re: RedSnapper]
    #14213190 - 03/31/11 03:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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RedSnapper said:
Why don't you just lay off the E for a minute, it (the magic) comes back..




I haven't taken any in almost a year. And rolled less than 10x my whole life.

And if Ibogaine reverses tolerance and loss of magic is due to tolerance, then why wouldn't it be effective?


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Re: MDMA Loss of Magic - Could Ibogaine Be A Cure? [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14213318 - 03/31/11 04:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i abused e too much and lost themagic also. It gets better with time but it's never the same again. Move on my friend, those days are behind you now.


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Re: MDMA Loss of Magic - Could Ibogaine Be A Cure? [Re: RedSnapper]
    #14213401 - 03/31/11 05:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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RedSnapper said:
Why don't you just lay off the E for a minute, it (the magic) comes back..




I don't have any "magic" like it used to be from E. It is strictly psychedelic at this point, with literally no euphoria. Pure MDMA too. For me it's similar to 2C-I, almost precisely. E is just weaker.

I experience with 2C-I and MDMA racing thoughts, 0 hallucinations, I can paint psychedelic patterns on it, but that is about it. Both seem to regard highly in experience with each use. With Opiates I used to experience downer euphoria, then it switched to acting like speed. Ironically coke & meth actually still feel good; better then E that is for sure.

I only find drugs like cocaine, meth, cannabis, alcohol, mushrooms, LSD, hold their strength no matter how many times you've done them.

E changed for me after about 50-100 uses. I'm lucky, my friend tried E for the 1st time and it did nothing. A lot of people seem to have this effect. My change could have been linked to using some pharm drugs; I would stay away from all you can.


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Re: MDMA Loss of Magic - Could Ibogaine Be A Cure? [Re: iluvfungi]
    #14213691 - 03/31/11 08:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

im pretty sure you only get the e magic once... i'd really like to try ibogaine though.
i've done E about 10x, spaced apart, and that shit's just lacklustre now.

that being said, i've felt more intense 'euphoria' on mushroom trips.

do mushrooms.


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Re: MDMA Loss of Magic - Could Ibogaine Be A Cure? [Re: Dosile Kouki]
    #14213716 - 03/31/11 08:09 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not 100% sure of ibogaine's pharmacodynamics, I do know that most folks seeking out ibogaine are stuck somewhere in their life. Usually they are addressing an addiction problem or something deeply pshycologicly seated, not so one can further their "experience" with another substance. Its probly the rarest drug in the US, maybe it should be reserved for some one with a real problem. Of course this is just my opinion.

I haven't rolled on e in almost a year, before that almost 3 yrs.  I'm tempted to try some again. I need to hack out some time to be beside myself. The last time was like the first time for me..


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Re: MDMA Loss of Magic - Could Ibogaine Be A Cure? [Re: RedSnapper]
    #14213733 - 03/31/11 08:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well I don't know about you guys who think otherwise, but the magic has definitely come back for me after a long enough break and when I first started clubbing I rolled for days without end. If you roll a LOT and think half a year or so is enough then think again, MDMA tolerance can easily last a month or more from one or two strong rolls. But if you think the magic is all about experiencing it for the first time and not knowing what's coming then I don't think you're really using the experience to its fullest, it sounds more like you're just chasing the best high. Just my 2 cents.


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Re: MDMA Loss of Magic - Could Ibogaine Be A Cure? [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14214162 - 03/31/11 10:34 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yea, naw man, naw. Ibogaine is not something you take for something like this.  If anything it would break you of your MDMA habit completely, provided you have been abusing it which is apparently the case. Anyhow this is a sacred plant and not to be used for such impure purposes.  Yes I have taken it on two occasions. Although I do suggest Ibogaine for it's own sake.  It is the most incredible hallucinogen I have ever taken.


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Re: MDMA Loss of Magic - Could Ibogaine Be A Cure? [Re: d00d557]
    #14214207 - 03/31/11 10:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

MDMA works on Serotonin levels, only a break will bring back the magic. You abuse, you lose.


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Re: MDMA Loss of Magic - Could Ibogaine Be A Cure? [Re: illuz1oN]
    #14214262 - 03/31/11 11:02 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: MDMA Loss of Magic - Could Ibogaine Be A Cure? [Re: Leenguy]
    #14214279 - 03/31/11 11:06 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Are none of you reading anything? I DON'T HAVE AN E HABIT!


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Re: MDMA Loss of Magic - Could Ibogaine Be A Cure? [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14214454 - 03/31/11 11:52 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You must have eaten enough MDMA to lose the magic. It happened to me a few summers ago where I ate a few weak rolls for a few weekends in a row. The magic was gone. I abstained for awhile and the magic came back with bangin sass. After my last experience, however, I realized that the magic and excitement of rolling has dwindled so significantly that its physical side effects have become more apparent and my mind has become more tweaked, less lovey dovey. This is after mild consumption. I might've dosed 10 - 15 times last year, normally taking a month off in between sessions, only once two nights in a row. November 16 was my last dose possibly forever, or at least until 2011 is over. The week or two after that night would have labeled me as clinically depressed had I seen a therapist. That's when I knew to lay off the drugs for awhile. Good thing too.

Take a break, wait a year, see what happens. Or eat piracetam as that significantly increases euphoria while at the same time reducing the risk of neurotoxicity.


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Re: MDMA Loss of Magic - Could Ibogaine Be A Cure? [Re: McTwist]
    #14214635 - 03/31/11 12:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: MDMA Loss of Magic - Could Ibogaine Be A Cure? [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14214714 - 03/31/11 12:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I have read reports where users would take Piracetam either for a few weeks in advance or just prior to rolling which successfully brought the magic back. Would be interesting to see more reports about this combo.


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Re: MDMA Loss of Magic - Could Ibogaine Be A Cure? [Re: thedream]
    #14215035 - 03/31/11 02:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

lol you can facepalm all you want but it still won't bring the magic back.


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Re: MDMA Loss of Magic - Could Ibogaine Be A Cure? [Re: McTwist]
    #14216097 - 03/31/11 05:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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lol you can facepalm all you want but it still won't bring the magic back.




I haven't lost the magic, for the 10th time. This was for purposes of discussion. At this point I'm gonna assume y'all r fucking with me. :grin:


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Re: MDMA Loss of Magic - Could Ibogaine Be A Cure? [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14216212 - 03/31/11 05:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Cracking bawls up. Sorry I can't contribute, as molly is one I've yet to try. Interesting theory though.


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Re: MDMA Loss of Magic - Could Ibogaine Be A Cure? [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14216357 - 03/31/11 06:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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5-HT2A said:
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McTwist said:
lol you can facepalm all you want but it still won't bring the magic back.




I haven't lost the magic, for the 10th time. This was for purposes of discussion. At this point I'm gonna assume y'all r fucking with me. :grin:




I think that's a sign to cut back on the herb...sorry lol

I wonder what exactly happens to make one lose the magic. Is there a deficit of serotonin, receptor damage or both? It's interesting because I have not lost the magic on other drugs the same way as with MDMA. Weed doesn't make me silly anymore, only because I'm more accustomed to the effects. It's different with MDMA though, where the stimulant side dominates over the emphatic qualities. This has to be a result of some kind of change in the brain. Knowing what to expect from the drug doesn't seem to be the main factor, it must be something chemical. Any input on this?


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