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Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested
    #14211602 - 03/30/11 07:45 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)



she burst into a hotel claiming she was gang raped by Ghaddafis men and soiled
she was then taken away by pro-G people
cnn reporters and american media people tried to help her
but they were pushed away
supposedly pro-G people told her mom to have her retract her statement but she wont, she will probably be killed now


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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Coaster]
    #14211923 - 03/30/11 08:49 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

sad :frown:

All those men and non helped her really.

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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: teknix]
    #14222164 - 04/01/11 05:08 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

if she lived in a democracy like the states she'd get paid for doing that :sad:


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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #14234752 - 04/04/11 03:58 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

haha, funny, now shut up.

i couldn't comment on this horrible event, without saying that...

anyways... this is stupid and shitty if anyone wants to beleive their crazy story. she was in DISTRESS. to the max and those men there, the ones pushing people away, need to die.

in my opinion.

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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #14234783 - 04/04/11 04:30 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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b0red5tiff said:
if she lived in a democracy like the states she'd get paid for doing that :sad:




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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #14234806 - 04/04/11 04:46 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

false evidence, eh?

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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #14235927 - 04/04/11 12:27 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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b0red5tiff said:
if she lived in a democracy like the states she'd get paid for doing that :sad:



Actually I think that's rather more a feature of German and Japanese porn culture.  Often with cross dressing fey males being the shattees.


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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14242739 - 04/05/11 04:25 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

turns out she was raped by an AK-47

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Al-Obeidi, who was reportedly free on Monday, said that she is still being harassed by government forces and had been told not to discuss her experiences. However, Cooper said that she felt she had "nothing left to lose" after her abduction.

In a tearful audio interview, al-Obeidi recounted how she was abducted at a government checkpoint and held for days while being told she would "never see the light of day again." She described being bound, beaten, and having alcohol poured over her eyes. She also said that she was gang raped repeatedly, and that one of the soldiers sodomized her with his Kalishnikov while her hands were bound. "Let the men from Eastern Libya come and see how we treat their women, how we rape their women," she reports the guards saying.

The Gaddafi government has claimed that al-Obeidi is an unreliable source, claiming she was "drunk" and a prostitute. As Cooper points out, one broadcaster on Libyan television said that calling her a prostitute was an insult to that profession because "even a whore feels patriotic about Libya."

Al-Obeidi, who says she has been re-arrested multiple times, tried to flee to Tunisia. However, she says she will not stop speaking out about her ordeal because "after all I went through, there is nothing else that constitutes a danger to my life."

"I've reached the end of my tolerance for this," she told Cooper.




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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: akira_akuma]
    #14242760 - 04/05/11 04:29 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

If not true, this is a CLASSIC classic! obvious fake PR stunt to woo over and gain support from the (primarly female) populace.


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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Shins]
    #14242809 - 04/05/11 04:36 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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If not true, this is a CLASSIC classic! obvious fake PR stunt to woo over and gain support from the (primarly female) populace.



give her the benefit of the doubt
u would like to believe its fake
but its not.


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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Shins]
    #14242845 - 04/05/11 04:41 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Shins said:
If not true, this is a CLASSIC classic! obvious fake PR stunt to woo over and gain support from the (primarly female) populace.



if not true... how dumb is your understanding of islam? like how dumb can it really be? you know... if i was you... and you were me, and i then was saying this dumb shit you are saying...




... *sigh*

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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Coaster]
    #14242991 - 04/05/11 05:02 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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"I've reached the end of my tolerance for this," she told Cooper.




Umm where does a tolerance for that shit even begin?
Muslims have a well established history of tolerating rape and persecuting the victims.  Let's all burn a Koran.  Then they can kill us too. 

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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14243223 - 04/05/11 05:47 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

shes basically saying that she has been through so much it doesn't matter anymore
they have threatened her and her family from speaking her story
so she has nothing to lose and will continue speaking the truth no matter what happens to her because the worst has already happened


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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Coaster] * 1
    #14243351 - 04/05/11 06:09 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

You didn't understand my question, did you?  I'll say it louder.

What fucking culture of deranged shitbags tolerates this for one second?


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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: akira_akuma]
    #14243775 - 04/05/11 07:14 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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If not true, this is a CLASSIC classic! obvious fake PR stunt to woo over and gain support from the (primarly female) populace.



if not true... how dumb is your understanding of islam? like how dumb can it really be? you know... if i was you... and you were me, and i then was saying this dumb shit you are saying...




... *sigh*




So you're telling me that Islam teaches people to rape and defecate on thier rape victims?


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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #14243997 - 04/05/11 07:53 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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You didn't understand my question, did you?  I'll say it louder.

What fucking culture of deranged shitbags tolerates this for one second?



ya so what should we do bomb them more?


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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Shins]
    #14244059 - 04/05/11 08:03 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Actually I think that's rather more a feature of German and Japanese porn culture.  Often with cross dressing fey males being the shattees.




I agree that i think those mens did (like everyone else in the world) watch a mix of german and japanese porn, which influence them in the specific way they will act during a rape or so.


i think putting someone's underwear in his own face is a form of sexual humiliation. i believe it's fucking obvious ;/ i dunno. they do it on their traitors, while the west was doing it for a long time on arabs.
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give her the benefit of the doubt
u would like to believe its fake
but its not.




Hm julien Assange's case kind of made me think about what procedure should we have about rape victims and celebrity in general especially those in politics. To be honest, There were rumours of rape in iran during the protests, and i believe they are true, but they simply happen because of a general culture, of humiliating the victim with rape. I believe this is present in islam and catholic societies.
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Umm where does a tolerance for that shit even begin?
Muslims have a well established history of tolerating rape and persecuting the victims.  Let's all burn a Koran.  Then they can kill us too.

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You didn't understand my question, did you?  I'll say it louder.

What fucking culture of deranged shitbags tolerates this for one second?



I think that both Catholic Christianity and Islam as a whole have this problem with rape victims, and i think that what truly influence rape in Societies dominated by catholics or Muslims is how strong they can live their own religion. It is a clear observable fact that rape follows violent neighboorhoods wherever they move.

In the middle age if you were raped or mugged ( pretty much meant the same thing) it was usually because a woman or a men was walking alone with no defense between the villages. Interestingly enough Lenin made armed robbery a offense punishable by death, even if the bolsheviks used such methods to survive within the first world war.

Our culture is not much better, Rape victims have to go through heaps of papers. Cops are assholes with rape victims, Cops are men,
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Cops get angry because a rape victim is angry. telling them to shut up.



This often happens in our society. Our prisons are full of jail rape, Prisons should not exist because that's what people who are bored do. they humiliate another human being for no reason.

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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Shins]
    #14244188 - 04/05/11 08:25 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Shins said:
If not true, this is a CLASSIC classic! obvious fake PR stunt to woo over and gain support from the (primarly female) populace.



if not true... how dumb is your understanding of islam? like how dumb can it really be? you know... if i was you... and you were me, and i then was saying this dumb shit you are saying...




... *sigh*




So you're telling me that Islam teaches people to rape and defecate on thier rape victims?



Nope. Argue your dogma with me... i'd love the opportunity to discuss your reasoning for your thinking of me, that I, would refer to your doctrine's to be as righteous as the doctrines used among the slime that is Gadafi and his forces; i'd have called it something else... it's called propaganda and brainwashing.

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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Coaster]
    #14257388 - 04/08/11 08:01 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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she burst into a hotel claiming she was gang raped by Ghaddafis men and soiled
she was then taken away by pro-G people
cnn reporters and american media people tried to help her
but they were pushed away
supposedly pro-G people told her mom to have her retract her statement but she wont, she will probably be killed now





lol,  nice little psyop.

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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Grav]
    #14266537 - 04/10/11 11:08 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

so you think shes making it all up then?


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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Coaster]
    #14267440 - 04/10/11 02:47 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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so you think shes making it all up then?




She could very well be.  It wouldn't be the first time.

Connect that with the rest of the deception the mainstream media has been spewing about Libya and everything in general, and the fact that she had a gang of western media right there so catch all the drama, Occam's Razor suggests she's an actress.


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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Shins]
    #14267469 - 04/10/11 02:52 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Occam's Razor suggests she's a plant.



Quite the contrary. In order for her to be a plant you have to assume that there is a conspiracy to depict that this woman was raped by the western media and middle eastern media such as Al Jazeera. If you assume she is telling the truth, there are less things to assume. Its well known that military personnel occasionally rape woman, its even evident in our own military.


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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Coaster]
    #14267681 - 04/10/11 03:46 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Well, I've researched lots about this Libya conflict and from my perspective and knowledge base there IS a conspiracy (it's obvious if you study) Occam's Razor suggests what i said.

I've heard of soldiers raping before, but never pooping and peeing, that seems a little over the top....

The timing is quite strange too...

Plus they have a history of faking this kind of thing.

Anderson cooper looked pretty concerned though,  too bad he's a CIA plant too!


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    #14267691 - 04/10/11 03:51 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Theatrical Review: The Libyan Rape Victim Street Theater

http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2011/03/26/theatrical-review-the-libyan-rape-victim-street-theater/

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I guess Gadhafi hasn’t killed enough citizens to justify a full-scale invasion and regime change at this point (he should take a few lessons from Obama who killed more just yesterday in another missile strike), so out comes the Burson-Marstellar Street Theater cast to play-act a scene right in front of Western Media cameras.

Mars Wants Women, and so do Gadhafi’s “whiskeyed up” troops.

Oh, this play’s got everything: evil “government officials”, a beaten and raped woman just trying to tell her story, violence, mayhem, and CNN reporters who can take the stage as the next Jessica Lynch.

Here’s the plot line that the PR spin-doctors came up with.  You can watch the street theater performance here. See if you can follow all the complicated twists and turns (and keep in mind that this will also deflect attention from the fact that the Obama administration is trying to find legal loop-holes in the UN resolution which will allow them to send arms and munitions to a guy in Libya who has admitted publicly that he recruited suicide bombers in Iraq and Afghanistan.)

Meet the cast


PLAYBILL

A woman, we’ll call her “victim/hero”,  rushes into a hotel stuffed with Western media after being abducted, gang raped, and shit on by 15 crazed brutal men. One would think she would go to a hospital first, but she is after all, a “hero” and they do think differently than the rest of us. One would think that she would be covered in dried feces, blood, and urine but it looks like she did have time to stop by somewhere and freshen up her make-up for the cameras. Again, it’s a “hero” thing.

Suddenly the reporters all congregate around her in what appears to be a conference room or lobby.

She has JUST ENOUGH TIME to tell her story, that she was detained at a check-point by Gadhafi forces and then gang raped and shit on by 15 of them while they were drunk of course, then she gets free, somehow, and instead of going to the hospital, she decided to go to a hotel and tell the press that she was just brutally gang raped by 15 crazed soldiers, and all she has by way of wounds are 2 bruises and an old scar from god knows how long ago.

Suddenly, before any of the reporters can ask her details about her harrowing ordeal, “plain clothed” “officials” of the Gadhafi regime bust into the scene and remove our “victim hero” so that she can’t tell any more of her story …after she finishes … telling her story.

A CNN reporter, we will call him “reporter hero” struggles unconvincingly with the “plain clothed” “official” of the Gadhafi regime.

The group of rather rough-looking “officials” lead “victim hero” to the waiting white car, can barely keep up with her at times along the way,  with “reporter hero” asking questions along the way trying his best to look concerned.

Directing notes:

1. When trying to stage events like this, make sure that your “victim hero” doesn’t look quite so eager to jump into the car with the perpetrators at the end of the production, as that tends to give away the staged and rehearsed quality of the performance.

If the “victim” had actually been gang raped by 15 “officials” of the Gadhafi regime, the LAST FUCKING THING SHE WOULD DO is jump quickly into the vehicle they own so they can gang-bang her again. She had an almost convincing act of sheer terror when the “official” showed up and kept her from having to answer questions about her ordeal, but then all of that falls to the wayside when she can barely get in the car fast enough so they can zoom away, presumably to the post-production party.

2. When your “victim/hero” is supposedly being “dragged” from the safety of the hotel, it might be good if she wasn’t LEADING THE FUCKING WAY without any hands on her at all and stopping for a last second photo-op


a star is born

3. The script – first of all, when a woman is brutally gang raped by 15 drunken vicious men who shit and pissed on her, and she just barely “manages to escape” wearing nothing more than “a robe and slippers”, most rational people would figure that her first instinct ISN’T RUNNING TO A HOTEL BREAKFAST BAR TO GET TO A BUNCH OF FUCKING NEW YORK TIMES AND REUTERS REPORTERS

    “But look at what the Qaddafi men did to me.” She displayed a broad bruise on her face, a large scar (? how long ago did this happen?)  on her upper thigh, several narrow and deep scratch marks lower on her leg, and marks that seemed to come from binding around her hands and feet.

    She said she had been raped by 15 men. “I was tied up, and they defecated and urinated on me,” she said. “They violated my honor.”

    … Ms. Obeidy said she was a native of the rebel stronghold of Benghazi who had been stopped by Qaddafi militia on the outskirts of Tripoli. After being held for about two days, she said, she had managed to escape. Wearing a black robe, a veil and slippers, she ran into the Rixos Hotel here, asking specifically to speak to the news service Reuters and The New York Times. “There is no media coverage outside,” she yelled at one point.

    “They swore at me and they filmed me. I was alone. There was whiskey. I was tied up,”  New York Times

4. Make-up – if the script calls for a “broad bruise on her face” (New York Times) doesn’t it seem logical that the actress playing the part would have, say, a broad bruise on her face?  CNN is reporting that “Her face was heavily bruised.” then they went on to say this “CNN could not independently verify her story but her injuries appeared consistent with what she said.”

Click on the image for a larger view. You tell me if those injuries verify her story or not. In fact, tell me if you see any injuries at all.



Now how about those marks on her wrists where she was tied up for 2 days? (click on image for larger view) (video source)





5. casting – With what we all know about terrorists and extremists coming from Benghazi, don’t you think you could have picked someone from a little less obvious hometown to be your maid of “honor”?

    “Ms. Obeidy said she was a native of the rebel stronghold of Benghazi”

Overall, this was a very poor effort indeed. It’s timing as a means of Obama administration supporting propaganda is painfully obvious, the staging was dreary, the staged combat scenes were unenthusiastic and clearly rehearsed, the script was over-done and exaggerated, the acting was the same.

All in all, I give this 5 Rotten Tomatoes and subsequently nominate the reporter for a Rotten Tomatoes award for Worst Supporting Actor of the year.

The tusseled hair was a nice touch but in the future if someone claims to have been shit on, they should take a lesson from Tawana Brawley and go that extra mile.

Unfortunately, if the standard rate of propaganda holds up for this production, this little episode of “Pro-War Street Theater” cost the tax-payers around 10 million dollars or more, most of it paid in cash with no receipts… and as typically the case these days, it was outsourced.

That’s too bad.

Just imagine what I could have done with a budget like that. I could have put 100 out of work Americans actors on the payroll and even tossed in a musical number and had programs and posters printed up too. Maybe even some special effects like a flying Jesus telling everyone it’s ok for Obama to kill Muslims.  Now THAT is theater.  Think of the jobs that would have created.




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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Shins]
    #14267701 - 04/10/11 03:55 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

these military personnel were sick individuals, they easily slipped through the recruiting cracks


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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Coaster]
    #14267708 - 04/10/11 03:57 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

you are saying a conspiracy is more presumptuous than sadistic army men?


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    #14267710 - 04/10/11 03:58 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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these military personnel were sick individuals, they easily slipped through the recruiting cracks




An you know this how?  you liar.

You are not exhibiting Intellectual honesty, your argument is fallacious. 

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    #14267723 - 04/10/11 04:00 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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you are saying a conspiracy is more presumptuous than sadistic army men?




No i'm saying automatically believing it was sadistic army member is presumptuous.  Where's the evidence?

As for conspiracy in Libya there is plenty of evidence for that, if people can tear themselves away from their PS3 long enough to look.


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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Shins]
    #14267740 - 04/10/11 04:05 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

She should be crawling with DNA evidence, where is it?

NOWHERE!

You obviously don't need any real evidence, just a sensationalist story to gain a propaganda effect since apparently a lot of people aren't too bright and believe things with no evidence.

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    #14267827 - 04/10/11 04:29 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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you are saying a conspiracy is more presumptuous than sadistic army men?




No i'm saying automatically believing it was sadistic army member is presumptuous.  Where's the evidence?

As for conspiracy in Libya there is plenty of evidence for that, if people can tear themselves away from their PS3 long enough to look.



No its not presumptuous to believe a lawyer with no history of lying is telling the truth. However it is presumptuous to think she is lying about being gang raped.


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    #14267828 - 04/10/11 04:30 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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She should be crawling with DNA evidence, where is it?

NOWHERE!

You obviously don't need any real evidence, just a sensationalist story to gain a propaganda effect since apparently a lot of people aren't too bright and believe things with no evidence.



if u raped sum1 would u really leave evidence if u planned on letting her go?


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    #14267942 - 04/10/11 04:59 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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No its not presumptuous to believe a lawyer with no history of lying is telling the truth. However it is presumptuous to think she is lying about being gang raped.






Did you just say "lawyer with no history of lying?"

ROFL...

Burden of proof;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_burden_of_proof

If she makes the claim that she was raped, she has to prove it.

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    #14267951 - 04/10/11 05:00 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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if u raped sum1 would u really leave evidence if u planned on letting her go?





She claimed to have escaped, not to have been released.



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    #14267953 - 04/10/11 05:00 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Prove it to whom?  Ghaddafian police?  How do you know she didn't have DNA evidence all over her and what makes you think those third world troglodytes know what DNA is?


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    #14267973 - 04/10/11 05:05 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Prove it to whom?  Ghaddafian police?  How do you know she didn't have DNA evidence all over her and what makes you think those third world troglodytes know what DNA is?




Prove it to the millions of viewers and readers who she made the claim to.

There was no visible DNA evidence or signs of beating/restraint/rape in the videos of her.

how do you know she DID have DNA all over and in her?

You don't!

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    #14267980 - 04/10/11 05:09 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

pragmatism.

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Prove it to whom?  Ghaddafian police?  How do you know she didn't have DNA evidence all over her and what makes you think those third world troglodytes know what DNA is?




Prove it to the millions of viewers and readers who she made the claim to.

There was no visible DNA evidence or signs of beating/restraint/rape in the videos of her.

how do you know she DID have DNA all over and in her?

You don't!




How do you know she didn't?  She was dragged away by Ghaddafian police.  Nobody is ever going to be able to prove anything, least of all you.  You are so fucking ridiculous it beggars belief.  Take your retarded shit where it belongs.  You have a whole forum that was deliberately segregated from the sane people discussion forum.  Get thee gone.


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    #14268262 - 04/10/11 06:05 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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She was dragged away by Ghaddafian police.




How do you know they where Ghaddafian police?

You don't.

In fact supposedly after getting raped and shat on repeatedly under Qaddafi's forces she made little struggle at all to get into the car with "them" to go back.



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Nobody is ever going to be able to prove anything,




How convenient, yet you still eat it up hook line and sinker.

I'm ridiculous?

You're the one who believes a CNN story with signs of performance wholeheartedly no evidence whatsoever.



I would say you and all other who believe it should go to the conspiracy theory forum yourself, because that is all this story is; a conspiracy theory.

And a shitty one at that.

But since it's gone through Reuters or some other corrupt media conglomerate you believe it and use it to justify regime change?

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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Shins]
    #14268359 - 04/10/11 06:29 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

You know that if your in power and you want to rape somebody your going to do it without a trace. The rapists new it would be her word against theirs. The burden of proof is not on the woman. That's like saying if you call the police to report your car stolen the cop wont do an investigation until you prove you didn't just forget your car somewhere else.


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    #14268372 - 04/10/11 06:31 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

You really should get some professional help.


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    #14268377 - 04/10/11 06:32 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

hes just skeptical, but he doesn't understand burden of proof liability


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    #14268798 - 04/10/11 07:56 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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The burden of proof is often associated with the Latin maxim semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit, the best translation of which seems to be: "the necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges."






SHOW ME PROOF!

The video evidence suggests a Psyop.

The news reports show discrepancies to the video evidence (I know how good you are with videos zappa!)


It blows me away that you guys just believe this hands down.


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    #14268813 - 04/10/11 08:00 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Ok Shins what discrepancies are evident in the videos that would suggest this is a false flag operation?


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    #14268849 - 04/10/11 08:06 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)







They all say she was taken by Gadaffi forces, but how do they know that?

They don't know it but they still say it!

This is not honest reporting!


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    #14268867 - 04/10/11 08:08 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

how do i know those images werent edited???????


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    #14268928 - 04/10/11 08:17 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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how do i know those images werent edited???????




I can't believe you question that, but you don't question any of the rest of what i pointed out.

Too much hypocrisy

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    #14268957 - 04/10/11 08:21 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

lol fine then i wont enlighten you


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    #14276740 - 04/12/11 07:04 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Theatrical Review: The Libyan Rape Victim Street Theater

http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2011/03/26/theatrical-review-the-libyan-rape-victim-street-theater/

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I guess Gadhafi hasn’t killed enough citizens to justify a full-scale invasion and regime change at this point (he should take a few lessons from Obama who killed more just yesterday in another missile strike), so out comes the Burson-Marstellar Street Theater cast to play-act a scene right in front of Western Media cameras.

Mars Wants Women, and so do Gadhafi’s “whiskeyed up” troops.

Oh, this play’s got everything: evil “government officials”, a beaten and raped woman just trying to tell her story, violence, mayhem, and CNN reporters who can take the stage as the next Jessica Lynch.

Here’s the plot line that the PR spin-doctors came up with.  You can watch the street theater performance here. See if you can follow all the complicated twists and turns (and keep in mind that this will also deflect attention from the fact that the Obama administration is trying to find legal loop-holes in the UN resolution which will allow them to send arms and munitions to a guy in Libya who has admitted publicly that he recruited suicide bombers in Iraq and Afghanistan.)

Meet the cast


PLAYBILL

A woman, we’ll call her “victim/hero”,  rushes into a hotel stuffed with Western media after being abducted, gang raped, and shit on by 15 crazed brutal men. One would think she would go to a hospital first, but she is after all, a “hero” and they do think differently than the rest of us. One would think that she would be covered in dried feces, blood, and urine but it looks like she did have time to stop by somewhere and freshen up her make-up for the cameras. Again, it’s a “hero” thing.

Suddenly the reporters all congregate around her in what appears to be a conference room or lobby.

She has JUST ENOUGH TIME to tell her story, that she was detained at a check-point by Gadhafi forces and then gang raped and shit on by 15 of them while they were drunk of course, then she gets free, somehow, and instead of going to the hospital, she decided to go to a hotel and tell the press that she was just brutally gang raped by 15 crazed soldiers, and all she has by way of wounds are 2 bruises and an old scar from god knows how long ago.

Suddenly, before any of the reporters can ask her details about her harrowing ordeal, “plain clothed” “officials” of the Gadhafi regime bust into the scene and remove our “victim hero” so that she can’t tell any more of her story …after she finishes … telling her story.

A CNN reporter, we will call him “reporter hero” struggles unconvincingly with the “plain clothed” “official” of the Gadhafi regime.

The group of rather rough-looking “officials” lead “victim hero” to the waiting white car, can barely keep up with her at times along the way,  with “reporter hero” asking questions along the way trying his best to look concerned.

Directing notes:

1. When trying to stage events like this, make sure that your “victim hero” doesn’t look quite so eager to jump into the car with the perpetrators at the end of the production, as that tends to give away the staged and rehearsed quality of the performance.

If the “victim” had actually been gang raped by 15 “officials” of the Gadhafi regime, the LAST FUCKING THING SHE WOULD DO is jump quickly into the vehicle they own so they can gang-bang her again. She had an almost convincing act of sheer terror when the “official” showed up and kept her from having to answer questions about her ordeal, but then all of that falls to the wayside when she can barely get in the car fast enough so they can zoom away, presumably to the post-production party.

2. When your “victim/hero” is supposedly being “dragged” from the safety of the hotel, it might be good if she wasn’t LEADING THE FUCKING WAY without any hands on her at all and stopping for a last second photo-op


a star is born

3. The script – first of all, when a woman is brutally gang raped by 15 drunken vicious men who shit and pissed on her, and she just barely “manages to escape” wearing nothing more than “a robe and slippers”, most rational people would figure that her first instinct ISN’T RUNNING TO A HOTEL BREAKFAST BAR TO GET TO A BUNCH OF FUCKING NEW YORK TIMES AND REUTERS REPORTERS

    “But look at what the Qaddafi men did to me.” She displayed a broad bruise on her face, a large scar (? how long ago did this happen?)  on her upper thigh, several narrow and deep scratch marks lower on her leg, and marks that seemed to come from binding around her hands and feet.

    She said she had been raped by 15 men. “I was tied up, and they defecated and urinated on me,” she said. “They violated my honor.”

    … Ms. Obeidy said she was a native of the rebel stronghold of Benghazi who had been stopped by Qaddafi militia on the outskirts of Tripoli. After being held for about two days, she said, she had managed to escape. Wearing a black robe, a veil and slippers, she ran into the Rixos Hotel here, asking specifically to speak to the news service Reuters and The New York Times. “There is no media coverage outside,” she yelled at one point.

    “They swore at me and they filmed me. I was alone. There was whiskey. I was tied up,”  New York Times

4. Make-up – if the script calls for a “broad bruise on her face” (New York Times) doesn’t it seem logical that the actress playing the part would have, say, a broad bruise on her face?  CNN is reporting that “Her face was heavily bruised.” then they went on to say this “CNN could not independently verify her story but her injuries appeared consistent with what she said.”

Click on the image for a larger view. You tell me if those injuries verify her story or not. In fact, tell me if you see any injuries at all.



Now how about those marks on her wrists where she was tied up for 2 days? (click on image for larger view) (video source)





5. casting – With what we all know about terrorists and extremists coming from Benghazi, don’t you think you could have picked someone from a little less obvious hometown to be your maid of “honor”?

    “Ms. Obeidy said she was a native of the rebel stronghold of Benghazi”

Overall, this was a very poor effort indeed. It’s timing as a means of Obama administration supporting propaganda is painfully obvious, the staging was dreary, the staged combat scenes were unenthusiastic and clearly rehearsed, the script was over-done and exaggerated, the acting was the same.

All in all, I give this 5 Rotten Tomatoes and subsequently nominate the reporter for a Rotten Tomatoes award for Worst Supporting Actor of the year.

The tusseled hair was a nice touch but in the future if someone claims to have been shit on, they should take a lesson from Tawana Brawley and go that extra mile.

Unfortunately, if the standard rate of propaganda holds up for this production, this little episode of “Pro-War Street Theater” cost the tax-payers around 10 million dollars or more, most of it paid in cash with no receipts… and as typically the case these days, it was outsourced.

That’s too bad.

Just imagine what I could have done with a budget like that. I could have put 100 out of work Americans actors on the payroll and even tossed in a musical number and had programs and posters printed up too. Maybe even some special effects like a flying Jesus telling everyone it’s ok for Obama to kill Muslims.  Now THAT is theater.  Think of the jobs that would have created.







nice job finding this.  not surprisingly there is a stack of oddities in the presentation.  those details don't really matter though since the average viewer believes any damn thing they see on the news.

this was a psyop - a staged event to tug on the emotions of viewers and set the narrative for the new problem or villain of the month.  it's nothing new.  they do it most noticeably before or during the onset of any sort of military interventions.

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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: akira_akuma]
    #14276759 - 04/12/11 07:15 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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If not true, this is a CLASSIC classic! obvious fake PR stunt to woo over and gain support from the (primarly female) populace.



if not true... how dumb is your understanding of islam? like how dumb can it really be? you know... if i was you... and you were me, and i then was saying this dumb shit you are saying...




... *sigh*



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If not true, this is a CLASSIC classic! obvious fake PR stunt to woo over and gain support from the (primarly female) populace.



if not true... how dumb is your understanding of islam? like how dumb can it really be? you know... if i was you... and you were me, and i then was saying this dumb shit you are saying...




... *sigh*



lol classic stunt? you think a women from the east will speak to a man let alone their government in such manner without being beaten , stoned raped and murdered?


you think she woke up one day and said "you know i feel like getting stoned to death this evening"

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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Coaster]
    #14276811 - 04/12/11 07:48 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Occam's Razor suggests she's a plant.



Quite the contrary. In order for her to be a plant you have to assume that there is a conspiracy to depict that this woman was raped by the western media and middle eastern media such as Al Jazeera. If you assume she is telling the truth, there are less things to assume. Its well known that military personnel occasionally rape woman, its even evident in our own military.




the problem with occam's razor is that it relies on uninformed interpretation of the magnitude of assumption.

if you've researched the subject at all, you'll find that the media has been complicit in staging events and presenting them as truth numerous times.  they do not carry the benefit of the doubt by any means.

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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Grav]
    #14278164 - 04/12/11 01:53 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Which is more likely an outcome?

Our media is more likely to lie in order to justify a war.

Or

A small sect of the military under its dictator Gadhaffi is more likely to lie in order to cover up a rape.


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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Coaster]
    #14278614 - 04/12/11 03:18 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Which is more likely an outcome?

Our media is more likely to lie in order to justify a war.

Or

A small sect of the military under its dictator Gadhaffi is more likely to lie in order to cover up a rape.




one of those is guaranteed.

it's pretty easy to see these things for what they are if you just watch the videos skeptically.  everyone knows a salesman is capable of lying to sell you a product.  the media is selling you a war,  why not step back and view it with the same skepticism?

what are the chances this woman who was allegedly gang-raped and shit on, just happened to be in walking distance to the hotel where western journalists just happened to be standing around with all their cameras ready to go?  please, are we really this gullible?

anyways, i won't spend anymore time trying to convince you. believe what you want. there is plenty of video evidence available that proves the media stages events like these if you care to educate yourself.

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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Grav]
    #14278626 - 04/12/11 03:20 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Duh media stages events like this.
But there was a lot of different media outlets on the scene, you really think they all got together and conspired in order to bring our country into war. How do CNN journalists really benefit from war, better coverage?


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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Coaster]
    #14282185 - 04/13/11 03:36 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

my questioning is... do you really stage nothing for your psy-op? or do you REALLY rape and torture someone for your psy-op? what is going to pull more heart strings? think about it.

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    #14282458 - 04/13/11 06:52 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

are you suggesting that the psyops team may have actually had her assaulted?

it would be unnecessary and make the production unpredictable.  if she were truly raped and beaten, she may lose consciousness, become paralyzed with fear, run away into the city, become totally nonsensical, etc.  it was required that she enter the hotel with her mental faculties intact to read her lines to the camera crew.

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    #14282510 - 04/13/11 07:08 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

i am suggesting that psy-operations don't work like news broadcasting and that maybe it's a true story perpetrated by possible outside influence.

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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Shins]
    #14283291 - 04/13/11 11:10 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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how do i know those images werent edited???????




I can't believe you question that, but you don't question any of the rest of what i pointed out.

Too much hypocrisy

Peace.

PS: Check the news footage yourself, go to CNN or whatever, the images are not altered.




really... maybe those images were selectively chosen because they mask the
injuries, this one shows ligature marks on her wrist and welts on her face





as for gang raping, beating and dedicating on lawyers...
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    #14283432 - 04/13/11 11:38 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Those are some dedicated troops Ghaddafi has.  I wouldn't hit that with a long handled shovel.


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    #14283501 - 04/13/11 11:54 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

even if this is a psy-op
its still not a good idea to bomb Libya
bombing Libya will not help rape victims I dont think



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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Coaster]
    #14287342 - 04/13/11 10:51 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

and this ends the presense of Shin in this thread. burden of proof... be damned. :rolleyes:

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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Coaster]
    #14321015 - 04/20/11 12:46 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

everyone knows if its posted on CNN, it must be true


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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: danielx]
    #14321206 - 04/20/11 01:44 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

they werent the only news outlet there...


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