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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: zappaisgod]
#14268377 - 04/10/11 06:32 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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hes just skeptical, but he doesn't understand burden of proof liability
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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Coaster]
#14268798 - 04/10/11 07:56 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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The burden of proof is often associated with the Latin maxim semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit, the best translation of which seems to be: "the necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges."
SHOW ME PROOF!
The video evidence suggests a Psyop.
The news reports show discrepancies to the video evidence (I know how good you are with videos zappa!)
It blows me away that you guys just believe this hands down.
For an atheist Zappa, you sure have a lot of faith.
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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Shins]
#14268813 - 04/10/11 08:00 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok Shins what discrepancies are evident in the videos that would suggest this is a false flag operation?
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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Coaster]
#14268849 - 04/10/11 08:06 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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They all say she was taken by Gadaffi forces, but how do they know that?
They don't know it but they still say it!
This is not honest reporting!
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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Shins]
#14268867 - 04/10/11 08:08 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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how do i know those images werent edited???????
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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Coaster]
#14268928 - 04/10/11 08:17 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Coaster said: how do i know those images werent edited???????
I can't believe you question that, but you don't question any of the rest of what i pointed out.
Too much hypocrisy
Peace.
PS: Check the news footage yourself, go to CNN or whatever, the images are not altered.
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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Shins]
#14268957 - 04/10/11 08:21 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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lol fine then i wont enlighten you
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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Shins]
#14276740 - 04/12/11 07:04 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shins said: Theatrical Review: The Libyan Rape Victim Street Theater
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2011/03/26/theatrical-review-the-libyan-rape-victim-street-theater/
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I guess Gadhafi hasn’t killed enough citizens to justify a full-scale invasion and regime change at this point (he should take a few lessons from Obama who killed more just yesterday in another missile strike), so out comes the Burson-Marstellar Street Theater cast to play-act a scene right in front of Western Media cameras.
Mars Wants Women, and so do Gadhafi’s “whiskeyed up” troops.
Oh, this play’s got everything: evil “government officials”, a beaten and raped woman just trying to tell her story, violence, mayhem, and CNN reporters who can take the stage as the next Jessica Lynch.
Here’s the plot line that the PR spin-doctors came up with. You can watch the street theater performance here. See if you can follow all the complicated twists and turns (and keep in mind that this will also deflect attention from the fact that the Obama administration is trying to find legal loop-holes in the UN resolution which will allow them to send arms and munitions to a guy in Libya who has admitted publicly that he recruited suicide bombers in Iraq and Afghanistan.)
Meet the cast
 PLAYBILL
A woman, we’ll call her “victim/hero”, rushes into a hotel stuffed with Western media after being abducted, gang raped, and shit on by 15 crazed brutal men. One would think she would go to a hospital first, but she is after all, a “hero” and they do think differently than the rest of us. One would think that she would be covered in dried feces, blood, and urine but it looks like she did have time to stop by somewhere and freshen up her make-up for the cameras. Again, it’s a “hero” thing.
Suddenly the reporters all congregate around her in what appears to be a conference room or lobby.
She has JUST ENOUGH TIME to tell her story, that she was detained at a check-point by Gadhafi forces and then gang raped and shit on by 15 of them while they were drunk of course, then she gets free, somehow, and instead of going to the hospital, she decided to go to a hotel and tell the press that she was just brutally gang raped by 15 crazed soldiers, and all she has by way of wounds are 2 bruises and an old scar from god knows how long ago.
Suddenly, before any of the reporters can ask her details about her harrowing ordeal, “plain clothed” “officials” of the Gadhafi regime bust into the scene and remove our “victim hero” so that she can’t tell any more of her story …after she finishes … telling her story.
A CNN reporter, we will call him “reporter hero” struggles unconvincingly with the “plain clothed” “official” of the Gadhafi regime.
The group of rather rough-looking “officials” lead “victim hero” to the waiting white car, can barely keep up with her at times along the way, with “reporter hero” asking questions along the way trying his best to look concerned.
Directing notes:
1. When trying to stage events like this, make sure that your “victim hero” doesn’t look quite so eager to jump into the car with the perpetrators at the end of the production, as that tends to give away the staged and rehearsed quality of the performance.
If the “victim” had actually been gang raped by 15 “officials” of the Gadhafi regime, the LAST FUCKING THING SHE WOULD DO is jump quickly into the vehicle they own so they can gang-bang her again. She had an almost convincing act of sheer terror when the “official” showed up and kept her from having to answer questions about her ordeal, but then all of that falls to the wayside when she can barely get in the car fast enough so they can zoom away, presumably to the post-production party.
2. When your “victim/hero” is supposedly being “dragged” from the safety of the hotel, it might be good if she wasn’t LEADING THE FUCKING WAY without any hands on her at all and stopping for a last second photo-op
 a star is born
3. The script – first of all, when a woman is brutally gang raped by 15 drunken vicious men who shit and pissed on her, and she just barely “manages to escape” wearing nothing more than “a robe and slippers”, most rational people would figure that her first instinct ISN’T RUNNING TO A HOTEL BREAKFAST BAR TO GET TO A BUNCH OF FUCKING NEW YORK TIMES AND REUTERS REPORTERS
“But look at what the Qaddafi men did to me.” She displayed a broad bruise on her face, a large scar (? how long ago did this happen?) on her upper thigh, several narrow and deep scratch marks lower on her leg, and marks that seemed to come from binding around her hands and feet.
She said she had been raped by 15 men. “I was tied up, and they defecated and urinated on me,” she said. “They violated my honor.”
… Ms. Obeidy said she was a native of the rebel stronghold of Benghazi who had been stopped by Qaddafi militia on the outskirts of Tripoli. After being held for about two days, she said, she had managed to escape. Wearing a black robe, a veil and slippers, she ran into the Rixos Hotel here, asking specifically to speak to the news service Reuters and The New York Times. “There is no media coverage outside,” she yelled at one point.
“They swore at me and they filmed me. I was alone. There was whiskey. I was tied up,” New York Times
4. Make-up – if the script calls for a “broad bruise on her face” (New York Times) doesn’t it seem logical that the actress playing the part would have, say, a broad bruise on her face? CNN is reporting that “Her face was heavily bruised.” then they went on to say this “CNN could not independently verify her story but her injuries appeared consistent with what she said.”
Click on the image for a larger view. You tell me if those injuries verify her story or not. In fact, tell me if you see any injuries at all.

Now how about those marks on her wrists where she was tied up for 2 days? (click on image for larger view) (video source)


5. casting – With what we all know about terrorists and extremists coming from Benghazi, don’t you think you could have picked someone from a little less obvious hometown to be your maid of “honor”?
“Ms. Obeidy said she was a native of the rebel stronghold of Benghazi”
Overall, this was a very poor effort indeed. It’s timing as a means of Obama administration supporting propaganda is painfully obvious, the staging was dreary, the staged combat scenes were unenthusiastic and clearly rehearsed, the script was over-done and exaggerated, the acting was the same.
All in all, I give this 5 Rotten Tomatoes and subsequently nominate the reporter for a Rotten Tomatoes award for Worst Supporting Actor of the year.
The tusseled hair was a nice touch but in the future if someone claims to have been shit on, they should take a lesson from Tawana Brawley and go that extra mile.
Unfortunately, if the standard rate of propaganda holds up for this production, this little episode of “Pro-War Street Theater” cost the tax-payers around 10 million dollars or more, most of it paid in cash with no receipts… and as typically the case these days, it was outsourced.
That’s too bad.
Just imagine what I could have done with a budget like that. I could have put 100 out of work Americans actors on the payroll and even tossed in a musical number and had programs and posters printed up too. Maybe even some special effects like a flying Jesus telling everyone it’s ok for Obama to kill Muslims. Now THAT is theater. Think of the jobs that would have created.
nice job finding this. not surprisingly there is a stack of oddities in the presentation. those details don't really matter though since the average viewer believes any damn thing they see on the news.
this was a psyop - a staged event to tug on the emotions of viewers and set the narrative for the new problem or villain of the month. it's nothing new. they do it most noticeably before or during the onset of any sort of military interventions.
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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: akira_akuma]
#14276759 - 04/12/11 07:15 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shins said: If not true, this is a CLASSIC classic! obvious fake PR stunt to woo over and gain support from the (primarly female) populace.
if not true... how dumb is your understanding of islam? like how dumb can it really be? you know... if i was you... and you were me, and i then was saying this dumb shit you are saying...
... *sigh*
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Shins said: If not true, this is a CLASSIC classic! obvious fake PR stunt to woo over and gain support from the (primarly female) populace.
if not true... how dumb is your understanding of islam? like how dumb can it really be? you know... if i was you... and you were me, and i then was saying this dumb shit you are saying...
... *sigh*
lol classic stunt? you think a women from the east will speak to a man let alone their government in such manner without being beaten , stoned raped and murdered?
you think she woke up one day and said "you know i feel like getting stoned to death this evening"
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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Coaster]
#14276811 - 04/12/11 07:48 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Occam's Razor suggests she's a plant.
Quite the contrary. In order for her to be a plant you have to assume that there is a conspiracy to depict that this woman was raped by the western media and middle eastern media such as Al Jazeera. If you assume she is telling the truth, there are less things to assume. Its well known that military personnel occasionally rape woman, its even evident in our own military.
the problem with occam's razor is that it relies on uninformed interpretation of the magnitude of assumption.
if you've researched the subject at all, you'll find that the media has been complicit in staging events and presenting them as truth numerous times. they do not carry the benefit of the doubt by any means.
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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Grav]
#14278164 - 04/12/11 01:53 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Which is more likely an outcome?
Our media is more likely to lie in order to justify a war.
Or
A small sect of the military under its dictator Gadhaffi is more likely to lie in order to cover up a rape.
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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Coaster]
#14278614 - 04/12/11 03:18 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Coaster said: Which is more likely an outcome?
Our media is more likely to lie in order to justify a war.
Or
A small sect of the military under its dictator Gadhaffi is more likely to lie in order to cover up a rape.
one of those is guaranteed.
it's pretty easy to see these things for what they are if you just watch the videos skeptically. everyone knows a salesman is capable of lying to sell you a product. the media is selling you a war, why not step back and view it with the same skepticism?
what are the chances this woman who was allegedly gang-raped and shit on, just happened to be in walking distance to the hotel where western journalists just happened to be standing around with all their cameras ready to go? please, are we really this gullible?
anyways, i won't spend anymore time trying to convince you. believe what you want. there is plenty of video evidence available that proves the media stages events like these if you care to educate yourself.
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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Grav]
#14278626 - 04/12/11 03:20 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Duh media stages events like this. But there was a lot of different media outlets on the scene, you really think they all got together and conspired in order to bring our country into war. How do CNN journalists really benefit from war, better coverage?
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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Coaster]
#14282185 - 04/13/11 03:36 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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my questioning is... do you really stage nothing for your psy-op? or do you REALLY rape and torture someone for your psy-op? what is going to pull more heart strings? think about it.
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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: akira_akuma]
#14282458 - 04/13/11 06:52 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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are you suggesting that the psyops team may have actually had her assaulted?
it would be unnecessary and make the production unpredictable. if she were truly raped and beaten, she may lose consciousness, become paralyzed with fear, run away into the city, become totally nonsensical, etc. it was required that she enter the hotel with her mental faculties intact to read her lines to the camera crew.
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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Grav]
#14282510 - 04/13/11 07:08 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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i am suggesting that psy-operations don't work like news broadcasting and that maybe it's a true story perpetrated by possible outside influence.
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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Shins]
#14283291 - 04/13/11 11:10 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Coaster said: how do i know those images werent edited???????
I can't believe you question that, but you don't question any of the rest of what i pointed out.
Too much hypocrisy
Peace.
PS: Check the news footage yourself, go to CNN or whatever, the images are not altered.
really... maybe those images were selectively chosen because they mask the injuries, this one shows ligature marks on her wrist and welts on her face

as for gang raping, beating and dedicating on lawyers... it should be mandatory
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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14283432 - 04/13/11 11:38 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Those are some dedicated troops Ghaddafi has. I wouldn't hit that with a long handled shovel.
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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: zappaisgod]
#14283501 - 04/13/11 11:54 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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even if this is a psy-op its still not a good idea to bomb Libya bombing Libya will not help rape victims I dont think

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Re: Libyan Lawyer Gang Raped, Defecated On, Then Arrested [Re: Coaster]
#14287342 - 04/13/11 10:51 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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and this ends the presense of Shin in this thread. burden of proof... be damned.
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