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PrimalSoup
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What Are the Spirits Made Of?
#14211337 - 03/30/11 07:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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What are the spirits made of?
They've invited me into their realm when the transport has been sufficient.
I've marveled at the grandeur therein.
But what are they made of?
They've worked healings for me, for myself, for my friends, for my pets, for my family, for people at large that I know.
They have the power to transcend every boundary of personality, of divisive thought, including every living creature in their domain.
They ask so little in return - but what are they made of?
People, maybe wrong, maybe right, give them names and think somehow they own them.
The spirits cannot be owned. They move you, they move me, they know my thoughts, the past, the future, like a book.
I still have to think my thoughts - that's how the story goes.
But what are they made of?
I was sad, for my mushrooms today seemed to be an unworthy vehicle to approach their realm.
And then I found I was wrong - they embraced me with their runes of knowledge and welcomed me back to the fold.
Joy, overflowing, so cool, so cool.
I say things wrong sometimes, we all do. We might be vexed by creatures or pestilence or radiation or disease and put our feet wrong when we try to communicate in this new way we've invented.
The spirits never put their feet wrong - they don't actually have feet it seems to me - but they communicate in a way as old as time.
But what are they made of?
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Cynosure
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Re: What are the spirits made of? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#14211453 - 03/30/11 07:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: What are the spirits made of? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#14211527 - 03/30/11 07:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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POOP
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PrimalSoup
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Re: What are the spirits made of? [Re: MoxyOx]
#14212615 - 03/30/11 11:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Interesting opinions. Spirit poop? I always thought it was maybe some kind of holy shit, until I sorta got over that.
Well, it's like this - I think we're just made of godshit - I mean ( right) the spirits poop us out.
They are both outside and inside us and everything, connected in ways that our minds can't quite follow to connect the dots... And when you go and talk to them and they work their miracles on you, it not only blows your mind, it is your mind, for awhile, anyway.
You can just poke your head up there sometimes, and say, "whoa what's happenin' dudes?" right into this timeless realm. That's why I like mushrooms, being able to poke my head into the timeless now and again.
You do that thing and then everything is connected again, everything works, the world makes sense in all its weirdness. You just plain see it.
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Re: What are the spirits made of? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#14212635 - 03/30/11 11:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Amino bathid??
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Goose
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Re: What are the spirits made of? [Re: ToDieOnMush]
#14212678 - 03/30/11 11:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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light, energy. ive come across some bad spirits what would you say about that?
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Re: What are the spirits made of? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#14212684 - 03/30/11 11:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I would say the spirits are made of electrical and chemical signals in your brain.
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PrimalSoup
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Re: What are the spirits made of? [Re: ToDieOnMush]
#14212706 - 03/30/11 11:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Amino bathid??
I don't know what that is.
But I'm kinda pissed cause I went and saw my doctor for this skin infection and I get some antibiotics and at the pharmacy they say "have you ever had this (metronidazole)" and I say "no" and they say "don't drink any alcohol while taking this and for two days afterwards" (12 fucking days!!) "you will get sick and puke, don't even think about going there."
OTOH the money I save on drink will pay for the drugs. 
Now what I don't know is if this shit is gonna mess up my tripping?
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Consuming ethanol (alcohol) while using metronidazole has long been thought to have a disulfiram-like reaction with effects that can include nausea, vomiting, flushing of the skin, tachycardia (accelerated heart rate), and shortness of breath,[16] however there are studies calling that notion into question.[17] Consumption of alcohol should be avoided by patients during systemic metronidazole therapy and for at least 48 hours after completion of treatment.[5] However, the mechanism of this reaction in the clinical setting has recently been questioned by some authors,[18][19] and a possible central toxic serotonin reaction for the alcohol intolerance suggested.[20]
Like, I wasn't gonna ask the pharmacy counselor, "whoa, what happens if I do psychedelic drugs instead?" 
Oh no, I'm thinking it could be bad: 
Damn, see if my head explodes tomorrow. Film at 11.
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Re: What are the spirits made of? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#14212711 - 03/30/11 11:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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You can't wait 12 days to trip?
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PrimalSoup
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Re: What are the spirits made of? [Re: Goose]
#14212723 - 03/30/11 11:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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light, energy. ive come across some bad spirits what would you say about that?
Yeah, that happens. There are different kinds. I've had some get stuck in or on me somehow like some freakin' spiritual dandruff, sort of harmless but annoying. It took a trip through the psychic wringer (tripping bawlz) to shake it loose. Who knows what people walk around with? It's like the world is some kind of horrible science fiction with all these things floating around our heads and feeding on our energies. Well maybe. 
The "bad" ones aren't much trouble if you recognize them. I've had to tell 'em to fuck off sometimes. They will.
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PrimalSoup
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Re: What are the spirits made of? [Re: LSDreamer]
#14212729 - 03/30/11 11:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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You can't wait 12 days to trip? 
I just did, god damn it!!!!!!!!! My grow went off and I've been strung out without it - now the fruits are here and I'm going for it. I hope my head doesn't explode. That would suck.
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I would say the spirits are made of electrical and chemical signals in your brain.
Yeah, and sometimes I would agree with that. But how can the signals in my brain get out to do in the world what I have witnessed them do? How can a shamanic healing that results in a change in the world easily noticed by relatives of the target be conveyed through nothing more than the giving of a rock to the target without explanation other than "you might like this rock"? That's just one example, there have been many.
How can the signals in my brain explain a vision in a trip that came after asking "where are liberty caps?" In it, as if from an airplane, terrain unrolled from about 15 miles away, pinpointing a particular field in a residential mixed area where I'd never been and wouldn't expect to be productive... I followed this memory of the vision the next day and easily bird-dogged in on the place - it was just like the vision - and I went out in the field, and there they were in profusion. They don't grow there now (I can't even find it for sure since it looks like they built a drive-in theater on top of it in the last 20 years), but they did then. I didn't believe that was possible until it happened to me.
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Re: What are the spirits made of? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#14212732 - 03/31/11 12:00 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Beautiful poetry man. That moved me. Really.
But when you say "You can just poke your head up there sometimes, and say, "whoa what's happenin' dudes?" " Is this a possible reference to flashbacks? Or are you just talking about when you actually do shrooms?
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Re: What are the spirits made of? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#14212737 - 03/31/11 12:02 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said:
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light, energy. ive come across some bad spirits what would you say about that?
Yeah, that happens. There are different kinds. I've had some get stuck in or on me somehow like some freakin' spiritual dandruff, sort of harmless but annoying. It took a trip through the psychic wringer (tripping bawlz) to shake it loose. Who knows what people walk around with? It's like the world is some kind of horrible science fiction with all these things floating around our heads and feeding on our energies. Well maybe. 
The "bad" ones aren't much trouble if you recognize them. I've had to tell 'em to fuck off sometimes. They will.
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i wish telling then to fuck off worked :] they wanted to prove they were stronger than me. i do think they feed off out emotion.
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PrimalSoup
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Re: What are the spirits made of? [Re: visionstream]
#14212768 - 03/31/11 12:17 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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But when you say "You can just poke your head up there sometimes, and say, "whoa what's happenin' dudes?" " Is this a possible reference to flashbacks? Or are you just talking about when you actually do shrooms?
Nah, that's tripping. It's hard to explain, it's like there's this door and you open it into this other dimension and BOOM you got access, back stage pass, all that. I have to be in the right state of mind to do it. I don't like to bother them too often...you know?
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Re: What are the spirits made of? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#14212788 - 03/31/11 12:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I know exactly what you mean.
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PrimalSoup
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Re: What are the spirits made of? [Re: Goose]
#14212796 - 03/31/11 12:26 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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i wish telling then to fuck off worked :] they wanted to prove they were stronger than me. i do think they feed off out emotion.
I've felt it too. I've had some scary trips where I wasn't sure I was gonna come back intact. The more I did it the less often this kind of "crisis" thing would happen, but when it did, man, heavy energies. I learned a long time ago to always respect the mushrooms, so they became my ally and they only shoot information at me to remind me of obligations and stuff like that (in the normal world). So a "bad" trip anymore is just one where I go, "oh shit I really gotta fix that properly" not one where I'm losing my mind.
I've gotten stuck sometimes in weird headspaces that wouldn't go away until I could trip again and clear it out.
If you get out there in the spirit realm and you don't have your armor or understand what the fuck is going on (from the shamanic perspective) it can be brutal. I gotta say that stuff works.
What I want to know is, HOW does it work? I've been looking at it for a long time now.
That's it for today, thank y'all!
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Re: What are the spirits made of? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#14212851 - 03/31/11 12:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Very interesting ideas you got there man. I' ve had quite a few experiences that I have a hard time believing are just from my mind. How did you learn to access these places in the way you discribe? are there any books you' ve found informative on these subjects?
Have you tried asking "them" how it works?
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Re: What are the spirits made of? [Re: vegantoker]
#14213136 - 03/31/11 02:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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books that have helped you would be great or share more of what you know.
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Re: What are the spirits made of? [Re: Goose]
#14213402 - 03/31/11 05:17 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I would also like to learn more about what you've been talking about, armor and shamanic stuff.
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PrimalSoup
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Re: What are the spirits made of? [Re: vegantoker]
#14230175 - 04/03/11 08:26 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Very interesting ideas you got there man. I' ve had quite a few experiences that I have a hard time believing are just from my mind. How did you learn to access these places in the way you discribe? are there any books you' ve found informative on these subjects?
Have you tried asking "them" how it works?
These are helpful:

I've asked them a lot of things, but I don't think they know, or if they know they can't put it into a form that I can understand. They aren't like us, though we are like them, sort of a projection into space-time from something with more dimensions. It's like, your cat looks in the mirror and he believes the you he sees in the mirror is the same you he sees normally. He doesn't recognize himself. It takes a primate or cetacean to recognize themselves in mirrors.
We look in this mirror of reality and we don't see ourselves, just like the cat. We see the reflection and we think that's real. But we're actually in there, and somehow, all of it could make sense on this side of the mirror.
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PS I'll try to write more as able.
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