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OfflineMadtowntripper
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Re: very sad pic-dont look if tripping [Re: 28064212]
    #14211942 - 03/30/11 08:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

There is literally no justification for him not picking up the child and carrying him to the UN camp.

This picture isn't new to me, I've seen it a hundred times over the years.

I'm not some bleeding heart do-giver.  I live in a major city, I get hit up for change by bums every day.  I never give them money.  It's just how I am.

They aren't dying.  If there was a starving child, dying, in front of my house, I would take him to the hospital.

That is humanity, that is empathy.

I would not take his picture.  I understand the nature of the photographer, to provide a glimpse of the world to people through his eyes.  I have no problem with him taking the picture.  That is fine.  But not helping the child, after taking the picture, is inexcusable.


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Re: very sad pic-dont look if tripping [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #14211999 - 03/30/11 09:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Madtowntripper said:
There is literally no justification for him not picking up the child and carrying him to the UN camp.

This picture isn't new to me, I've seen it a hundred times over the years.

I'm not some bleeding heart do-giver.  I live in a major city, I get hit up for change by bums every day.  I never give them money.  It's just how I am.

They aren't dying.  If there was a starving child, dying, in front of my house, I would take him to the hospital.

That is humanity, that is empathy.

I would not take his picture.  I understand the nature of the photographer, to provide a glimpse of the world to people through his eyes.  I have no problem with him taking the picture.  That is fine.  But not helping the child, after taking the picture, is inexcusable.




I dont necessarily believe the caption.  Its a little too ridiculous.

edit - I recall reading somewhere, somebody debunking the caption.  Im not sure if that was on here or elsewhere...


Edited by DieCommie (03/30/11 09:09 PM)


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Re: very sad pic-dont look if tripping [Re: DieCommie]
    #14212027 - 03/30/11 09:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
Quote:

Madtowntripper said:
There is literally no justification for him not picking up the child and carrying him to the UN camp.

This picture isn't new to me, I've seen it a hundred times over the years.

I'm not some bleeding heart do-giver.  I live in a major city, I get hit up for change by bums every day.  I never give them money.  It's just how I am.

They aren't dying.  If there was a starving child, dying, in front of my house, I would take him to the hospital.

That is humanity, that is empathy.

I would not take his picture.  I understand the nature of the photographer, to provide a glimpse of the world to people through his eyes.  I have no problem with him taking the picture.  That is fine.  But not helping the child, after taking the picture, is inexcusable.




I dont necessarily believe the caption.  Its a little too ridiculous.




Never underestimate western journalism.



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Re: very sad pic-dont look if tripping [Re: LbDub]
    #14212037 - 03/30/11 09:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"Western" journalism?  They dont take pictures of dead bodies in the east?  :confused: 

I would rather them take pictures than not.  :shrug:


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Re: very sad pic-dont look if tripping [Re: StaleShrooms]
    #14212061 - 03/30/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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even if it was just that one kid...i can understand not helping him. I dont think I'd be able to just stand by, but it's part of a journalists job to be an objective observer...even when it's incredibly difficult to just observe.

the world can be a horrible place. but it's a journalists job to show us what happens out there. free of the involvement of the reporter.

that said, if i was a journalist in his shoes I dont think i'd have the guts to not pick that kid up and run him to some food and water.



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Re: very sad pic-dont look if tripping [Re: stranger_danger]
    #14212108 - 03/30/11 09:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: very sad pic-dont look if tripping [Re: misterogerz]
    #14212226 - 03/30/11 09:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Very powerful, very sad, very lost for words right now.
Tears came to my eyes.
Being a photographer myself, I would have helped the kid no matter what. If I lost my job, got a disease, it doesn't matter. It would have come back to me, because I helped him. Very strong image. Tells a lifetime of stories.


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Re: very sad pic-dont look if tripping [Re: eloC]
    #14212316 - 03/30/11 10:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

At first I was thinking along the lines of "sometimes there are guerillas around that might ambush you or blah blah blah"

Like other folks have said, there really is just no excuse for that.  It's so ridiculous it's beyond laughable.

I'd probably kill myself too if I so blatantly failed to realize my potential by failing to do something so pathetically easy in lieu of acquiescing to the death of a youth child.


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Re: very sad pic-dont look if tripping [Re: Humility]
    #14213493 - 03/31/11 06:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

We as individuals should all know we cannot save everyone, nor help everyone. Just as I cannot save every person who falls down the stairs, if one is falling, I am going to try and catch them.

The photo is art, but the humanity is showing that one can do something-anything. Every little bit counts. The only failure is doing nothing.


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Re: very sad pic-dont look if tripping [Re: Lennyk]
    #14213720 - 03/31/11 08:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Need verification of the caption.  That seems shady to me, since the caption wasn't in the original photograph.  Looks like some doctored up chain email picture designed to evoke emotion in the recipient, insuring they'll send it to 10 more people.  I know the photo is real and that caption probably has some semblance of fact in it but I'd bet it's not all true.


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Re: very sad pic-dont look if tripping [Re: abltsandwich]
    #14213730 - 03/31/11 08:16 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: very sad pic-dont look if tripping [Re: abltsandwich]
    #14213737 - 03/31/11 08:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Carter

Google is your friend, it's not that hard, guys. :lol:  Read up.

I know that I would have helped the girl.  I could not have lived with myself if I hadn't.  It doesn't seem like this was the only reason he offed himself, but I'm sure it was a part.


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Re: very sad pic-dont look if tripping [Re: Sillicybin]
    #14213770 - 03/31/11 08:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Sillicybin said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Carter

Google is your friend, it's not that hard, guys. :lol:  Read up.

I know that I would have helped the girl.  I could not have lived with myself if I hadn't.  It doesn't seem like this was the only reason he offed himself, but I'm sure it was a part.



can we get a source other than wiki??


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Re: very sad pic-dont look if tripping [Re: Micawber]
    #14213836 - 03/31/11 08:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Mmmm, this chicken I'm eating tastes pretty good.  :winning:


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Re: very sad pic-dont look if tripping [Re: Sillicybin]
    #14213856 - 03/31/11 09:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

From your link, 

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Alternative account of the photograph

Portuguese photojournalist based in South Africa João Silva, who accompanied Carter to Sudan, gave a different version of events in an interview with Japanese journalist and writer Akio Fujiwara that was published in Fujiwara's book The Boy who Became a Postcard (絵葉書にされた少年 - Ehagaki ni sareta shōnen).[7]
According to Silva, they (Carter and Silva) went to Sudan with the United Nations aboard Operation Lifeline Sudan and landed in Southern Sudan on March 11, 1993. The UN told them that they would take off again in 30 minutes (the time necessary to distribute food), so they ran around looking to take shots. The UN started to distribute corn and the women of the village came out of their wooden huts to meet the plane. Silva went looking for guerrilla fighters, while Carter strayed no more than a few dozen feet from the plane.
Again according to Silva, Carter was quite shocked as it was the first time that he had seen a famine situation and so he took many shots of the children suffering from famine. Silva also started to take photos of children on the ground as if crying, which were not published. The parents of the children were busy taking food from the plane so they had left their children only briefly while they collected the food. This was the situation for the girl in the photo taken by Carter. A vulture landed behind the girl. To get the two in focus, Carter approached the scene very slowly so as not to scare the vulture away and took a photo from approximately 10 metres. He took a few more photos and then the vulture flew off.




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Re: very sad pic-dont look if tripping [Re: DieCommie]
    #14213973 - 03/31/11 09:39 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
From your link, 

Quote:

Alternative account of the photograph

Portuguese photojournalist based in South Africa João Silva, who accompanied Carter to Sudan, gave a different version of events in an interview with Japanese journalist and writer Akio Fujiwara that was published in Fujiwara's book The Boy who Became a Postcard (絵葉書にされた少年 - Ehagaki ni sareta shōnen).[7]
According to Silva, they (Carter and Silva) went to Sudan with the United Nations aboard Operation Lifeline Sudan and landed in Southern Sudan on March 11, 1993. The UN told them that they would take off again in 30 minutes (the time necessary to distribute food), so they ran around looking to take shots. The UN started to distribute corn and the women of the village came out of their wooden huts to meet the plane. Silva went looking for guerrilla fighters, while Carter strayed no more than a few dozen feet from the plane.
Again according to Silva, Carter was quite shocked as it was the first time that he had seen a famine situation and so he took many shots of the children suffering from famine. Silva also started to take photos of children on the ground as if crying, which were not published. The parents of the children were busy taking food from the plane so they had left their children only briefly while they collected the food. This was the situation for the girl in the photo taken by Carter. A vulture landed behind the girl. To get the two in focus, Carter approached the scene very slowly so as not to scare the vulture away and took a photo from approximately 10 metres. He took a few more photos and then the vulture flew off.








Ok so there may be some fudging but
there is no doubt whats on that vultures
mind.

also when i lived in the country it was always a risk that
a buzzard would pick up a small animal


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