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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: Grapefruit]
#14210498 - 03/30/11 04:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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That's okay, because neither his post nor my interpretation of it deals directly with the history of the human race. It deals with the meanings we create for ourselves and the title is fine the way it is.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#14210500 - 03/30/11 04:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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God damn it, you people really debate anything here? No I didn't make it up, it's an underground movement, read the The origin of nuances by Edgar Strint, he mentions it in there, along with talking about three eyed mud monster wrestling young vagina-less virgins.

Now get back to talking about the subject now that this all is cleared up...
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#14210519 - 03/30/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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What does the title have to do with meanings we create ourselves? In one breath you talk of historic race creation and tell me that is what the title is related to and in the next you tell me that's irrelevant to the discussion.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: 13.step]
#14210526 - 03/30/11 04:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Passion stems from direct participation, and it may be sustained or self-limiting. In a mind confined by meanings, passion can exist upon a properly-articulated network of those meanings.
There is no "normal." We are more complex than you and I.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: Grapefruit]
#14210539 - 03/30/11 04:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Grapefruit said: What does the title have to do with meanings we create ourselves? In one breath you talk of historic race creation and tell me that is what the title is related to and in the next you tell me that's irrelevant to the discussion.
I was only listing the multitudes of possible meanings intended by the word "We" in the title. Specifically, in that post, I was referring to the specific definitions of "we" from which you appear to be operating, based upon your interpretation of the question.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#14210566 - 03/30/11 04:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well historic race creation is the only context in which the title could make sense as far as I can see. It certaintly isn't linguistically correct to say it's related to the meanings we make for ourselves in life.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: Grapefruit]
#14210584 - 03/30/11 04:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: Grapefruit]
#14210588 - 03/30/11 04:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sure it is.
People's behavior is dictated by impulses to which it reacts. The question, "Are we made to excel or to live in mediocrity," simply avoids spelling out the innumerable possible motivating factors: time and place of birth, heritage, upbringing, economic factors, genetic fit, education, culture, friends, family, et cetera.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: 13.step]
#14210591 - 03/30/11 04:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well hey, I'm not the one playing cat and mouse here.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: Grapefruit]
#14210599 - 03/30/11 04:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nope, just pick the nit.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: 13.step]
#14210605 - 03/30/11 04:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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you people really debate anything here?

Whatchu mean, 'you people'?!
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#14210611 - 03/30/11 04:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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That question would be phrased "In what ways do we make ourselves to excel or to live in mediocrity?". Pretty different question all together
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#14210626 - 03/30/11 04:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You damn well know what I mean boy...now go get your debate box and shine some... by shine i mean emit bright ideas into the world
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: 13.step]
#14210628 - 03/30/11 04:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I feel you, man.
Since nobody (even you) responded to my original address to the heart of your question, I'll repeat it: I think that at one time in our evolutionary history, we experienced a continuous passion unbroken by hesitations stemming from the lessons we've learned from our past. Since that time, we have learned to control our passions, for better or for worse.
I would say it's for the better, as it has enabled us to realize the full potential of our brains, but it's also led to the atrophy of passion itself.
Again, the answer to your question is not in the past but in the present and how it emerges into the future. Are we worker drones or are we gods?
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: Grapefruit]
#14210638 - 03/30/11 04:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Grapefruit said: That question would be phrased "In what ways do we make ourselves to excel or to live in mediocrity?". Pretty different question all together
Correction: that's how YOU would phrase the question.
When you assume, you make an ass of u and me.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#14210663 - 03/30/11 05:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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as it has enabled us to realize the full potential of our brains
Huh? You know this how?
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#14210682 - 03/30/11 05:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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as it has enabled us to realize the full potential of our brains
Huh? You know this how?
Would you contend that the subjugation of unmeditated animal instinct by the faculties of reason we exercise here have prohibited us from realizing the full potential of our brains?
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#14210695 - 03/30/11 05:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Grapefruit said: That question would be phrased "In what ways do we make ourselves to excel or to live in mediocrity?". Pretty different question all together
Correction: that's how YOU would phrase the question.
When you assume, you make an ass of u and me. 
No the two questions mean entirely different things. You have one of two moves. Either you refute the question's meaning in terms of what I had intended to refer it to or demonstrate how the questions mean the same thing.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: Grapefruit]
#14210732 - 03/30/11 05:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Grapefruit said:You have one of two moves. Either you refute the question's meaning in terms of what I had intended to refer it to or demonstrate how the questions mean the same thing.
Or, I could just make some smartass pop-cultural reference (complete with picture) satirizing your offer, thus ending the debate, and everybody will laugh, and move on.
Either way, I stand by my point that your problem with the OP's question stems entirely from your own reading.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#14210737 - 03/30/11 05:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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In other words, you liked the Jermaine Jackson thang.
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