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People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity?
#14210087 - 03/30/11 03:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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So which is it?
I know a lot of people that aren't particularly passionate about anything, they seem to just live their lives with the volume turned down, working to get some money, waiting for the next game to come on, waiting for the next time they get to drink beer with their friends, enjoying life at a low intensity.
Then there are people that have strong passions, euphoric obsessions, that they pursue. I don't mean something great when I say excel btw, any type of hobby or activity that is pursued with passion and in the best way someone can. These are people that excel, that are trying to be good at something because they enjoy it very much.
I tend to see it as boring and exciting people...
The question is, form your experiences, which one is "normal", which one is the norm?
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: 13.step]
#14210106 - 03/30/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think many people at some point in their life get a surge of passion at something they know they love, but society puts them down and they get discourage. personally i keep on getting surges of passions i want to follow and do, but society always gets in the way. People may still want to follow their intuition but at a lower level because of being put down.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: 13.step]
#14210121 - 03/30/11 03:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Made by whom?
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: 13.step]
#14210147 - 03/30/11 03:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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apparently, both are the norm. humans don't live in the wilderness anymore, a place where the "boring" ones would actually just die.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: 13.step]
#14210162 - 03/30/11 03:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think that so-called "passionless" individuals are victims of a well-established passion-control system, and that so-called passionate individuals are also living with the volume down.
In the absence of well-developed value judgments and existential anxiety articulated by contemporary constructions of the universe, the natural condition is one of consistent, uninterrupted passion.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Made by whom?
Irrelevant to the discussion
Passion control system? Natural state without existential anxiety? Do you mean that as an abstract concept or actually refer to a time before "contemporary constructions of the universe"? A lot of responses seem to be blaming external sources for a mediocre existence, IMO that's just a way of shifting blame. All comes from within, society or whatever doesn't stand in your way if you truly want something because you're not important, nobody really gives a fuck about what you are doing until you directly interact with people, and at that point society's influence is pretty diluted.
meatcakeman - i don't mean the inept ones by boring/mediocre people, just people who choose the path of least resistance, people without drive to do something better
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: 13.step]
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I believe that the practice of laying the blame for any identifiable problem on any single identifiable source stems from broken thoughts. You will never be able to find the root cause of any given mistake or deficiency. It goes back farther than you can see.
By laying the blame for anything upon anything, we perpetuate the problem-solution mentality that has given the modern world so many problems.
IMO, transcending the impulse to blame things for problems is foundational to accepting full responsibility for your own existence.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Also would like to point out that I'm not "blaming" the passion-control system for anything. It enables us to do incredible things, but it does have the downside of hiding us from our own animal natures and, for some of us, does its job too well, resulting in a lifetime of doldrums.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: 13.step]
#14210369 - 03/30/11 04:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Made by whom?
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Not at all, if you were asking, "do we excel or are we mediocre?" the question would make sense. As it stands it doesn't.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: 13.step]
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No, it is quite germane to the discussion.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: Grapefruit]
#14210392 - 03/30/11 04:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Dang, you beat me to it while I was uploading a picture of Jermaine.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#14210395 - 03/30/11 04:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oh you.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: Grapefruit]
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Made by whom?
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Not at all, if you were asking, "do we excel or are we mediocre?" the question would make sense. As it stands it doesn't.
Well sure it's relevant, if you're nit-picking. If I'm reading it right, the title of the thread refers to the making of meaning in our lives, and begs the question: is Homo sapiens primordially a species of ants or a species of gods? The answer to this question is not in the past but in our future.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#14210407 - 03/30/11 04:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I guess if questioning one -half of the MAIN ASSUMPTION/PREMISE is nit-picking, then you are right.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#14210427 - 03/30/11 04:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well ok, I should clarify, I don't really care about that part, I am interested in exactly what I asked. I said made because I believe it's a way of life that you are more or less born with.
So let's assume two-dicked purple aliens from the pegasus system made us, did they make us one way or the other? Or did they not make us in any way and we just develop one way or the other?
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#14210428 - 03/30/11 04:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: I guess if questioning one -half of the MAIN ASSUMPTION/PREMISE is nit-picking, then you are right. 
Do you think it's possible that, in pursuit of semiotic consistency, we may find ourselves disproportionately distracted from realities which exist outside of the verbal consistency we seek to impose (upon ourselves or upon others)?
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#14210429 - 03/30/11 04:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well I think you need some evidence that something did "make" us before you can find evidence as to "it's" intentions behind the act. Which is what the question is pointing to in the proper use of the english language. If the author means something else he ought to clarify his language.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: 13.step]
#14210447 - 03/30/11 04:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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So let's assume two-dicked purple aliens from the pegasus system made us
Without evidence of such, I am going to assume you just made that up.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: Grapefruit]
#14210467 - 03/30/11 04:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Grapefruit said: Well I think you need some evidence that something did "make" us before you can find evidence as to "it's" intentions behind the act. Which is what the question is pointing to in the proper use of the english language. If the author means something else he ought to clarify his language.
The problem stems not from the original question but from the interpretation of the word "we" made by the reader.
Who are "we"? Obviously he is referring to the human species, but is he referring to "us" as currently living organisms, to "us" as an historic entity, or to "us" as a set of genetic markers?
A full inspection of the clause must confront us with the possibility that the "we" he is speaking of is the "we" that we create ourselves.
I am made to type out this post - by whom? By me.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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That is decidedly unclear in the OP's statement as he doesn't talk on the history of the human race in these terms in any single part.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: Grapefruit]
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That's okay, because neither his post nor my interpretation of it deals directly with the history of the human race. It deals with the meanings we create for ourselves and the title is fine the way it is.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#14210500 - 03/30/11 04:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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God damn it, you people really debate anything here? No I didn't make it up, it's an underground movement, read the The origin of nuances by Edgar Strint, he mentions it in there, along with talking about three eyed mud monster wrestling young vagina-less virgins.

Now get back to talking about the subject now that this all is cleared up...
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#14210519 - 03/30/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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What does the title have to do with meanings we create ourselves? In one breath you talk of historic race creation and tell me that is what the title is related to and in the next you tell me that's irrelevant to the discussion.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: 13.step]
#14210526 - 03/30/11 04:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Passion stems from direct participation, and it may be sustained or self-limiting. In a mind confined by meanings, passion can exist upon a properly-articulated network of those meanings.
There is no "normal." We are more complex than you and I.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: Grapefruit]
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Grapefruit said: What does the title have to do with meanings we create ourselves? In one breath you talk of historic race creation and tell me that is what the title is related to and in the next you tell me that's irrelevant to the discussion.
I was only listing the multitudes of possible meanings intended by the word "We" in the title. Specifically, in that post, I was referring to the specific definitions of "we" from which you appear to be operating, based upon your interpretation of the question.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#14210566 - 03/30/11 04:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well historic race creation is the only context in which the title could make sense as far as I can see. It certaintly isn't linguistically correct to say it's related to the meanings we make for ourselves in life.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: Grapefruit]
#14210584 - 03/30/11 04:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: Grapefruit]
#14210588 - 03/30/11 04:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sure it is.
People's behavior is dictated by impulses to which it reacts. The question, "Are we made to excel or to live in mediocrity," simply avoids spelling out the innumerable possible motivating factors: time and place of birth, heritage, upbringing, economic factors, genetic fit, education, culture, friends, family, et cetera.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: 13.step]
#14210591 - 03/30/11 04:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well hey, I'm not the one playing cat and mouse here.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: Grapefruit]
#14210599 - 03/30/11 04:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nope, just pick the nit.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: 13.step]
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you people really debate anything here?

Whatchu mean, 'you people'?!
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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That question would be phrased "In what ways do we make ourselves to excel or to live in mediocrity?". Pretty different question all together
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#14210626 - 03/30/11 04:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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You damn well know what I mean boy...now go get your debate box and shine some... by shine i mean emit bright ideas into the world
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I feel you, man.
Since nobody (even you) responded to my original address to the heart of your question, I'll repeat it: I think that at one time in our evolutionary history, we experienced a continuous passion unbroken by hesitations stemming from the lessons we've learned from our past. Since that time, we have learned to control our passions, for better or for worse.
I would say it's for the better, as it has enabled us to realize the full potential of our brains, but it's also led to the atrophy of passion itself.
Again, the answer to your question is not in the past but in the present and how it emerges into the future. Are we worker drones or are we gods?
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Grapefruit said: That question would be phrased "In what ways do we make ourselves to excel or to live in mediocrity?". Pretty different question all together
Correction: that's how YOU would phrase the question.
When you assume, you make an ass of u and me.
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as it has enabled us to realize the full potential of our brains
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as it has enabled us to realize the full potential of our brains
Huh? You know this how?
Would you contend that the subjugation of unmeditated animal instinct by the faculties of reason we exercise here have prohibited us from realizing the full potential of our brains?
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Grapefruit said: That question would be phrased "In what ways do we make ourselves to excel or to live in mediocrity?". Pretty different question all together
Correction: that's how YOU would phrase the question.
When you assume, you make an ass of u and me. 
No the two questions mean entirely different things. You have one of two moves. Either you refute the question's meaning in terms of what I had intended to refer it to or demonstrate how the questions mean the same thing.
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Grapefruit said:You have one of two moves. Either you refute the question's meaning in terms of what I had intended to refer it to or demonstrate how the questions mean the same thing.
Or, I could just make some smartass pop-cultural reference (complete with picture) satirizing your offer, thus ending the debate, and everybody will laugh, and move on.
Either way, I stand by my point that your problem with the OP's question stems entirely from your own reading.
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In other words, you liked the Jermaine Jackson thang.
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Either way, you haven't provided refutation and are essentially ducking out of the debate.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Since nobody (even you) responded to my original address to the heart of your question, I'll repeat it: I think that at one time in our evolutionary history, we experienced a continuous passion unbroken by hesitations stemming from the lessons we've learned from our past. Since that time, we have learned to control our passions, for better or for worse.
You're looking at it from a strange angle, my question was a present and pragmatic one, about why there are differences between individuals, and why these differences exist, and which type is more prevalent, or let's say which was there first.
You're saying that all people where initially born to excel and that we as a race lost it along the way, sacrificing it to rationality? I don't think you must exclude rationality from passion, passion is drive and enthusiasm, there is passion for science to...
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: 13.step]
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I didn't say any of that.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: 13.step]
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Grapefruit said: Either way, you haven't provided refutation and are essentially ducking out of the debate. 
I'm telling you that you'd get just as great a debate from drying paint, yes.
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13.step said: You're looking at it from a strange angle, my question was a present and pragmatic one, about why there are differences between individuals, and why these differences exist, and which type is more prevalent, or let's say which was there first.
You're saying that all people where initially born to excel and that we as a race lost it along the way, sacrificing it to rationality? I don't think you must exclude rationality from passion, passion is drive and enthusiasm, there is passion for science to...
I don't think that rationality necessarily inhibits passion, but it can confine it, limit it, and even replace it as a survival mechanism.
The course taken by rationality is incumbent on personal and genetic history. I think that's just my way of saying, "some people get screwed."
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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I'm telling you that you'd get just as great a debate from drying paint, yes.
Latex, acrylic or lacquer?
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#14210770 - 03/30/11 05:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Grapefruit said: Either way, you haven't provided refutation and are essentially ducking out of the debate. 
I'm telling you that you'd get just as great a debate from drying paint, yes.
Drying paint never responds and then ducks out. I think I'll stick with the paint. 
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Grapefruit said: Drying paint never responds and then ducks out. I think I'll stick with the paint.  

Ducking out or not, I must admit that I deserved that.
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I'm telling you that you'd get just as great a debate from drying paint, yes.
Latex, acrylic or lacquer?
Certainly not lacquer. You can cop a pretty great buzz off that shit.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: 13.step]
#14213097 - 03/31/11 02:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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The question is, form your experiences, which one is "normal", which one is the norm?
put the knife in sheep man's throat and you'll see normal hiding under the normal.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: 13.step]
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13.step said: meatcakeman - i don't mean the inept ones by boring/mediocre people, just people who choose the path of least resistance, people without drive to do something better
well one needs to find personal value in life in order to truly have the drive to live, imo. some of us haven't found any, or just not looking. so, in my eyes, everyone is technically "made" to excel since they have the intrinsic capacity to. it just depends individually upon each human being's personal values.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: meatcakeman]
#14213446 - 03/31/11 05:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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i'm gonna say this once and only once to all you humans out there who are not me.
*ahem*
YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL.
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: quinn]
#14213500 - 03/31/11 06:17 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Probably...but I am still better then you...
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well one needs to find personal value in life in order to truly have the drive to live, imo. some of us haven't found any, or just not looking. so, in my eyes, everyone is technically "made" to excel since they have the intrinsic capacity to. it just depends individually upon each human being's personal values.
After three pages and a lot of big empty words this is the first good answer in this thread...
Actually pretty interesting point of view, and a very optimistic one at that, but then why do some people not want to? Do you know people like that? They are just content with simply living. I can't imagine that, maybe it's just, as you said, a thing about personal values, maybe they're passionate about having a normal life, like their parents and grandparents before them...
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Re: People - are we made to excel or are we made to live in mediocrity? [Re: 13.step]
#14213738 - 03/31/11 08:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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13.step said: So which is it?
its probably comparable to cockroaches
set off a bomb; most just die but the more resilient ones turn into atomic super mutants
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