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Is this overlay?
    #14209684 - 03/30/11 01:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Greetings,
possible problem with overlay on casing layer.

Here's some background info:
first time doing bulk,
WBS spawned to coir/verm mix, left to fully colonize, then..
1/2" casing layer added of coir/verm and left to colonize..

Problem is me believes it was left to colonize to long, as it now looks like it could be overlay.





It was put in fruiting conditions about 4 days ago, no signs of knotting.  At what point would it become clear that this is overlay?
Any suggestions out there to best salvage this situation?
I really appreciate any help


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Re: Is this overlay? [Re: deepninja]
    #14209694 - 03/30/11 01:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

This is looking damn good.:thumbup:
Time to fruit.
Overlay is (ugly)yellow.


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Re: Is this overlay? [Re: deepninja]
    #14209710 - 03/30/11 01:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

That's not overlay. Looks pretty healthy in fact.

You'll see knots/pins before too long. Sometimes it can take 7+ days for them to form. Give it as much fresh air as you can without sacrificing humidity. That'll be your biggest pinning trigger, along with moisture evaporation from the substrate.

Patience! :awesomenod:


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Re: Is this overlay? [Re: Boozie]
    #14209791 - 03/30/11 02:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Not overlay.  It looks real good, in fact.  Just be patient.  You will see what you're looking for real soon.


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Re: Is this overlay? [Re: MycoUnderground]
    #14209888 - 03/30/11 02:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hmm so the show goes on! thanks for the comments, really appreciate the advice given here


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Re: Is this overlay? [Re: deepninja]
    #14209964 - 03/30/11 02:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The issues you have is that coir/verm is not a casing layer.  All you did was add more substrate to your previously 100% colonized substrate.  50/50 verm/peat moss with some hydrate lime is a suitable casing layer. 

Your grow should be fine though.  All you did was add some more nutrients. Looks good.

:thumbup:


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Re: Is this overlay? [Re: M11]
    #14210024 - 03/30/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

M11 said:
The issues you have is that coir/verm is not a casing layer.  All you did was add more substrate to your previously 100% colonized substrate.  50/50 verm/peat moss with some hydrate lime is a suitable casing layer. 

Your grow should be fine though.  All you did was add some more nutrients. Looks good.

:thumbup:




I did not see that ninja used a coir/verm casing.  M11 is right that it is not suitable as a casing layer.

You don't even need to use a casing layer if you don't want to.


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Re: Is this overlay? [Re: MycoUnderground]
    #14210083 - 03/30/11 03:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Brilliant gleaming white! Sooo, pretty.
Nice looking colony, excellent growth. Great job!


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Re: Is this overlay? [Re: skyjohnny]
    #14210129 - 03/30/11 03:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)



So last night this ^ didn't need to be cased coir/verm either?? :mad: Although the substrate on this pic is a poo/verm/coir (80/10/10) mix
Was under the impression that ninja needed to case a bulk grow after full colonization.  Might try without a casing next time, and shave off a week


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Re: Is this overlay? [Re: deepninja]
    #14210138 - 03/30/11 03:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Damm tilted my head to look at pic & spilt my beer.


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Re: Is this overlay? [Re: deepninja]
    #14210353 - 03/30/11 04:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

deepninja said:


So last night this ^ didn't need to be cased coir/verm either?? :mad:
Was under the impression that after bulk colonization, the addition of a casing coir/verm casing allowed for better pinning??





Sorry but you read some outdated info. Coir should be used as a bulk substrate alone. Cubensis on coir does not need a casing when the fruiting conditions are right.

However, there is something you can do to get better pinsets next time. Crumple a piece of wax paper, the lay it out again and place it loosely on top of the substrate when you introduce it to fruiting conditions. This provides very good pinning conditions right under the wax paper.  Take the paper off and lightly fan the substrate 2 or 3 times a day and place the paper back on.  Be very sure to put new paper in every couple days because the paper gets wet and encourages mold growth.


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Re: Is this overlay? [Re: MycoUnderground]
    #14210543 - 03/30/11 04:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If the substrate were mostly composted manure instead of coir, would a coir/verm casing make a difference then?


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Re: Is this overlay? [Re: deepninja]
    #14210656 - 03/30/11 04:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

No manure doesn't need it either.  I should have just said cubensis on bulk substrates doesn't need a casing layer.


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Re: Is this overlay? [Re: MycoUnderground]
    #14211416 - 03/30/11 07:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Using coir as a casing is outdated information as stated above.  Unfortunately, there are many old threads with old techniques in them.  It is a blessing and curse I suppose. 

Cubes readily colonize coir as you can see.


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Re: Is this overlay? [Re: MycoUnderground]
    #14212925 - 03/31/11 01:00 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ninja threw down some wax paper, should make for an interesting weekend, and who knows maybe he will get promoted from white belt !


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