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Bruce6000
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Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow
#14209365 - 03/30/11 12:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Alright, so here's the situation... After 10 days of incubation, I spotted cobweb mold. I went ahead and decided fruit. Perhaps an uninformed decision on my part? I don't know, I panicked and figured some fresh air would kill the mold. I also sprayed the sub with diluted peroxide.
I just can't seem to get it right. I trashed my last grow due to a bacterial infection. This one seems to be headed down that same road. The only bulk grow I had success with was my first one, to which I added a frosting layer, and that seemed to work.
One last thing to note- there was almost ZERO colonization- I'm baffled by this. I incubated that sucker at 75 degrees the entire time.
In the tub: A brick of coir, 2 quarts of verm, 2 quarts of water, 1 cup of spent coffee grinds, 1 cup of gypsum, 5 quarts of WBS
I'll upload some pics very soon. In the meantime please feel free to chime in.
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: Bruce6000]
#14209420 - 03/30/11 12:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It is extremely common for new folk to mistake the mycelium coming thru the surface for cobweb mold.
If the concentration of h202 was high enuff, you set it back a ways.
If you think this might be the case, just put it back into colonization for a bit.
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: anonjon]
#14209440 - 03/30/11 12:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yea for the longest time I though that fluffy mycelium growth was cobweb. Sprayed my cakes down too much with h2o2 witch ended up being completely counterproductive.
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: anonjon]
#14209511 - 03/30/11 01:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Shit, man! Not exactly what I wanted to hear. If it was mycelium, I guess there's no point in worrying about it now. So back into incubation?
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: Bruce6000]
#14209527 - 03/30/11 01:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Naw just give it a few days to pin. I'd just mist it with a 1:20 concentration of h2o2 and water to ensure that it wasn't cobweb. 1:20 shouldn't harm the mycelium much at all.
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: Obey]
#14209575 - 03/30/11 01:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Lots of people have trouble with coffee in their subs too, you might try leaving that out next time if you are still having contam problems.
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: gornyhuy]
#14209623 - 03/30/11 01:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you're using coir the mycelium grows REALLY thin sometimes, I thought it was cobweb too because it looked like all the pics I had seen...
Lo and behold, it wasn't.
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: gornyhuy]
#14209665 - 03/30/11 01:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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gornyhuy said: Lots of people have trouble with coffee in their subs too, you might try leaving that out next time if you are still having contam problems.
Like he said, Coffee is prone to contams leave it out for the first attempts and you dont have to worry too much about contams. You want to have succses before you try to rise the yield.
H²O² is also poisonous for myc. If there is no reason, like cobweb, dont spray it to the sub/myc/cake or whatever.
Edited by Luger0815 (03/30/11 01:43 PM)
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: Obey]
#14209672 - 03/30/11 01:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Obey said: Naw just give it a few days to pin. I'd just mist it with a 1:20 concentration of h2o2 and water to ensure that it wasn't cobweb. 1:20 shouldn't harm the mycelium much at all.
If it's not cobweb, then no peroxide. If it is cobweb, then full strength peroxide.
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: Luger0815]
#14210874 - 03/30/11 05:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Agree on the coffee...until you have a handle on doing grows with subs that don't encourage mold as much, I'd steer clear. And god forbid you get a contam breakout, you'll have a hell of a time getting rid of it. Trust me there.
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: Pfffffff]
#14215084 - 03/31/11 02:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Pfffffff said: Agree on the coffee...until you have a handle on doing grows with subs that don't encourage mold as much, I'd steer clear. And god forbid you get a contam breakout, you'll have a hell of a time getting rid of it. Trust me there.
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: gornyhuy]
#14215940 - 03/31/11 05:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Guys, sorry about taking so long to upload a pic. Didn't know about all the troubles associated with using coffee grinds, will definitely stop doing that in future grows.
So here we go: mycelium or cobweb?
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: Bruce6000]
#14216008 - 03/31/11 05:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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looks like mycelium poking through
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: dr0409]
#14216102 - 03/31/11 05:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's just myc. If it was cobweb it'd cover the entire surface in 24 hours. Shit is super fast.
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: dr0409]
#14216214 - 03/31/11 05:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hell yea man! You don't know how happy I am to hear you say that.
Guys, this is my third bulk grow. I'm used to seeing mycelium grow behind glass, which flattens it. This stuff looks quite different, more cloud-like, when growing into exposed air. Talk about curve balls.
You guys
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: Bruce6000]
#14217641 - 03/31/11 10:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Try growing in those little 6q shoe boxes made of clear plastic. Lots of stores carry them and they're cheap. You can see through all sides so you know instantly that this aerial myc that breaks the surface is healthy growth because you can trace it from the substrate pressed against the side up through the coir frosting layer.
That's the way I've come to be calm about this type of stuff.
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: afrosheen]
#14219756 - 04/01/11 09:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks man I'll give those a shot.
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: Bruce6000]
#14219952 - 04/01/11 10:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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One more question- Been incubating for 11 days now, and as you can tell from the picture, there's barely any consolidation. There are 4 or 5 of these blobs of mycelium scattered around in a 67qt tub.

Put it into fruiting or continue incubating?
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: Bruce6000]
#14219955 - 04/01/11 10:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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is that a casing, or is it just spawned to substrate
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: biologys]
#14220029 - 04/01/11 10:51 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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That looks like millet and milo there on the surface. And if those grains haven't vegetated after 11 days, you've got a bad tub on your hands. Probably a bad substrate / bacterial contamination.
Unless I'm seeing wrong and those are pieces of coarse verm.
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: anonjon]
#14220057 - 04/01/11 10:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah.. what are we looking at? did you apply a casing layer? if that is your substrate, then you have a looooong way to go.. well, not a long way, but if thats your sub, you should have alot more growth than that..
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: Bruce6000]
#14220071 - 04/01/11 10:59 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bruce6000 said: Alright, so here's the situation... After 10 days of incubation, I spotted cobweb mold. I went ahead and decided fruit. Perhaps an uninformed decision on my part? I don't know, I panicked and figured some fresh air would kill the mold. I also sprayed the sub with diluted peroxide.
I just can't seem to get it right. I trashed my last grow due to a bacterial infection. This one seems to be headed down that same road. The only bulk grow I had success with was my first one, to which I added a frosting layer, and that seemed to work.
One last thing to note- there was almost ZERO colonization- I'm baffled by this. I incubated that sucker at 75 degrees the entire time.
In the tub: A brick of coir, 2 quarts of verm, 2 quarts of water, 1 cup of spent coffee grinds, 1 cup of gypsum, 5 quarts of WBS
I'll upload some pics very soon. In the meantime please feel free to chime in.
That 4 quarts of water that you need.
Perhaps it explains the no growth.... lack of water
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: Patlal]
#14220443 - 04/01/11 12:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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You're looking at the sub and spawn, there is no casing layer.
To the guy who mentioned needing 4 quarts of water... you're right! I looked back at the tek and sure enough it says 4.5 quarts of water, but for some retarded fucking reason I only added 2 quarts 
This blows. So what to do? I don't want to just trash it. Keep incubating or fruit? Even if I get a single pathetic cube at least I won't feel like all my efforts were wasted.
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: Bruce6000]
#14220530 - 04/01/11 12:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bruce6000 said: You're looking at the sub and spawn, there is no casing layer.
To the guy who mentioned needing 4 quarts of water... you're right! I looked back at the tek and sure enough it says 4.5 quarts of water, but for some retarded fucking reason I only added 2 quarts 
This blows. So what to do? I don't want to just trash it. Keep incubating or fruit? Even if I get a single pathetic cube at least I won't feel like all my efforts were wasted.
Start over...
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: Bruce6000]
#14220800 - 04/01/11 01:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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There's just no way that those grains wouldn't have vegetated by now unless the thing were dead.
What's it smell like?
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: anonjon]
#14220815 - 04/01/11 01:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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ah.. since thats the sub, and its not colonizing by now, toss it and start over.. dont waste your time by trying to save it..
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: anonjon]
#14220827 - 04/01/11 01:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Those patches of mycelium are growing. It's not like the whole tub stalled. There's actual growth going on. But the coir does smell a bit sour.
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: Bruce6000]
#14221133 - 04/01/11 01:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Those patches are just as doomed as the rest of the tub. It's garbage.
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: anonjon]
#14221387 - 04/01/11 02:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Where do you fruit and colonize? Have you thought maybe you have mold spores from previous contamed grows? Do you have cloths around or anything that may harbor previous mold spores that might be getting into your area> I suggest vacuuming, lysoling, removed any cloths in the area, wash blankets, sheets, pillow cases, etc. I hope this may help for future grows. Good luck!
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: velvetmagician]
#14221728 - 04/01/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey velvetmagician, Every time I thought I had a contam, it turned out to be mycelium. I have a carbon scrubber with a hepa filter running 18 hours a day in my grow room, so I doubt it. This stalled grow was my own doing- I didn't add enough water as recommended by the tek.
But hey man, giving up is too easy. I've got nothing else going on right now, so knowing that there aren't any contams and against the advice of others to trash the grow, I'm going to try to suck a few grams out of this thing. I have nothing to lose, so fuck it.
***EDIT*** On second thought... Just took a whiff of that tub and it smells like Satan's breath... so I don't know
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: Bruce6000]
#14221873 - 04/01/11 04:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Agreed. Are you getting correct field capacity prior to pc on casing? are you giving gas exchange holes during colonizing casing?
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: velvetmagician]
#14221892 - 04/01/11 04:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sure- I use lids stuffed with polyfill for gas exchange. Not sure what you mean by the other question.
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: Bruce6000]
#14221909 - 04/01/11 04:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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when mixing your verm/coir you want perfect moisture. if you put up casing during prep, when your mixing it, pick up in your hand. no water should come out by gravity. But you if slightly squeeze it, you should get a few drops then it should stop. If you squeeze hard, you should get a small stream of water for a few seconds then stop. Thats perfect moisture. Also, is your substrate fully colonized before adding casing? Are you layering or mixing coir/verm/sub?
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: velvetmagician]
#14221913 - 04/01/11 04:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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If your sub is not fully colonized you may get contams when introducing casing
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: Bruce6000]
#14222102 - 04/01/11 04:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bruce6000 said: One more question- Been incubating for 11 days now, and as you can tell from the picture, there's barely any consolidation. There are 4 or 5 of these blobs of mycelium scattered around in a 67qt tub.

Put it into fruiting or continue incubating?
nm, I wouldn't throw it away.
you never know!
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: velvetmagician]
#14222346 - 04/01/11 05:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's too late, I thrashed it. I didn't realize how foul smelling it was until I removed the lid. It's whatever man. Like I said, it was my fault for not double-checking the tek amounts. Believe me, I won't make that mistake again. Nothing like a bit of failure to set you on the right track.
As I'm writing this, I have some PF tek jars going in the PC and another 9 quarts of WBS incubating away: two grows to keep me busy for the month of April.
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Re: Need Some Help from the Pros on My Verm-Coir Grow [Re: Bruce6000]
#14228525 - 04/02/11 09:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Better luck next time. You will get it sooner or later
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