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Its bacteria right?
    #14209074 - 03/30/11 11:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)



Right?


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Re: Its bacteria right? [Re: swamp ass]
    #14209826 - 03/30/11 02:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yessiree. :sad:


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Re: Its bacteria right? [Re: Boozie] * 2
    #14209858 - 03/30/11 02:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Agreed.

Good news: you can identify bacterial contam now.


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Re: Its bacteria right? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14225972 - 04/02/11 01:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Agreed.

Good news: you can identify bacterial contam now.




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Re: Its bacteria right? [Re: swamp ass]
    #14226960 - 04/02/11 04:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Looks like bakers yeast. Does it have an alcoholic smell?

In any case, avoid excess water in your grain and improve your sterile procedures.

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Re: Its bacteria right? [Re: Mycelio]
    #14229594 - 04/03/11 01:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Doc_T said:
Agreed.

Good news: you can identify bacterial contam now.




lol

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Looks like bakers yeast. Does it have an alcoholic smell?

In any case, avoid excess water in your grain and improve your sterile procedures.

Carsten




Kind of yeah. The jars were knocked up with 90% colonised stalled pf jar, thats most probably the reason it got contaminated. I wasnt hoping anything from them anyway, it was just a test.


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Re: Its bacteria right? [Re: swamp ass]
    #14230741 - 04/03/11 11:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You'll get it. Sometimes it takes a couple of tries:wink:


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Re: Its bacteria right? [Re: SomeGuy]
    #14231639 - 04/03/11 03:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Its bacteria right?

Right?




Correct, bacteria.
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Re: Its bacteria right? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14231904 - 04/03/11 04:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I have the same problem with my jars every once in a while.. after I pressure cook the jars and they are sterile what are some ways the bacteria can get in there? Ive been doing G2G transfers with rye grains in a glove box.. I wipe down every jar with the highest % alcohol I can buy and spray the air with lyscol before I put them into the glovebox. I even have alcohol spray inside the glovebox to be even more sterile... It smells like alcohol so bad in there when I open it up I don't know how any bacteria could get in there?

What is the main cause of this bacteria? after hydrating beens making sure the grains are dry? thats the only thing I can think of since the grains get so wet when the bacteria is ther.. but even then I don't have this bacteria problem until after the G2G transfer...


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Re: Its bacteria right? [Re: Deej3987]
    #14231975 - 04/03/11 04:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

bumping the sides of your glovebax causes air to be sucked in. Try to be really gentle and move slowely without bumping the top/sides


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Re: Its bacteria right? [Re: SomeGuy]
    #14244236 - 04/05/11 08:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm going to customize my glovebox, make some improvements to it.. also pressure cook my syringes and make sure they are sterile. I'm starting to think the bacteria is there from the beginning and is just a mater of time before it dominates later transfers... also agar is another thing I'm going to attempt again if the problem persists.


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Re: Its bacteria right? [Re: Deej3987]
    #14248918 - 04/06/11 05:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If you have a glass fishtank you don't use make a glove box out of that. Get a piece of plexi glass, cut it to fit the top of the tank and then cut two holes in it for your arms that are no more than a half inch wider than the widest part of your forearms. Lay the plexi ontop of the tank, duct tape it off all around the edges. Eliminates the suction issue from bumping your glovebox.

Keep in mind that opening this up is annoying, so if you're going to have to put things in it that won't fit through the arm holes, make a door in the plexi glass to the side for bigger stuff.


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Re: Its bacteria right? [Re: PulseEden]
    #14266796 - 04/10/11 12:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

How can you see its bacteria in that one? For me it looks good.


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Re: Its bacteria right? [Re: Deej3987]
    #14267903 - 04/10/11 04:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I have the same problem with my jars every once in a while.. after I pressure cook the jars and they are sterile what are some ways the bacteria can get in there? Ive been doing G2G transfers with rye grains in a glove box.. I wipe down every jar with the highest % alcohol I can buy and spray the air with lyscol before I put them into the glovebox. I even have alcohol spray inside the glovebox to be even more sterile... It smells like alcohol so bad in there when I open it up I don't know how any bacteria could get in there?

What is the main cause of this bacteria? after hydrating beens making sure the grains are dry? thats the only thing I can think of since the grains get so wet when the bacteria is ther.. but even then I don't have this bacteria problem until after the G2G transfer...





I have a jar sitting on my floor right now that I sterilized back in december or maybe early early january that looks mildly dehydrated but appears to me to be in fine condition.  There isn't any presence of bacteria or mold that I can see.  It's been a week or so since I've observed it but I doubt much has changed since then.

Spraying alcohol inside of your glove box can cause "fresh" (read:dirty) air to be sucked into it.  Soap and water will be fine.

There can also be a greater number of instances of bacterial contamination if you over-hydrate your rye grains (or rather don't allow them to dry sufficiently after hydrating).


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Re: Its bacteria right? [Re: PulseEden]
    #14267983 - 04/10/11 05:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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If you have a glass fishtank you don't use make a glove box out of that. Get a piece of plexi glass, cut it to fit the top of the tank and then cut two holes in it for your arms that are no more than a half inch wider than the widest part of your forearms. Lay the plexi ontop of the tank, duct tape it off all around the edges. Eliminates the suction issue from bumping your glovebox.

Keep in mind that opening this up is annoying, so if you're going to have to put things in it that won't fit through the arm holes, make a door in the plexi glass to the side for bigger stuff.




Good idea, Im going to make this right now from my old fishtank! Ive been using a clear tubberware which has worked fine, but I like this setup better!


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Re: Its bacteria right? [Re: Humility]
    #14278403 - 04/12/11 02:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Alcohol being sprayed inside of the GB makes dirty air get into it? how?


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Re: Its bacteria right? [Re: Deej3987]
    #14278432 - 04/12/11 02:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Diffusion my good man

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Re: Its bacteria right? [Re: Humility]
    #14278525 - 04/12/11 03:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

so basically alcohol being sprayed inside of the GB is a bad idea? it does not help prevent contams¿?


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Re: Its bacteria right? [Re: Deej3987]
    #14290850 - 04/14/11 03:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

soak a paper towel in alcohol (no dry spots on the towel, these can carry contaminates) wipe down all of the insides. Works better than spraying imo.


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Re: Its bacteria right? [Re: PulseEden]
    #14290989 - 04/14/11 04:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for the advice I will remember that next time I'm doing anything.


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Re: Its bacteria right? [Re: Deej3987]
    #14291258 - 04/14/11 04:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Contaminants will always be present even in a sealed room with a HEPA machine running 24/7; the idea is to get the concentrations low enough so that they don't bother our work or to in some other way cause them to not interfere with the work.

A glove box is in effect a "Still air chamber".  The air inside of the glove box is fairly undisturbed relative to the air outside.  Particles bounce off the box and the air inside has a relatively low concentration of particles bouncing around which can land in a jar and cause contamination.

Alcohol won't affect airborne contaminants, at all, so don't use it.  Surface contaminants can be wiped away with soap and water.


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