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Carlos Castaneda
    #14206801 - 03/29/11 10:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Carlos Castaneda BBC 2006

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=8F57ED0B145B2F50

I have wondered why people have said that he destroyed many lives. This shows why people say that.

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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: teknix]
    #14206923 - 03/29/11 11:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah I just got done watching that. Interesting stuff. I wonder about the end days in relation to the rest of his life. The guy was creative as hell and seems to have grasped what it meant to embody unconscious drives. Probably what made him so charistmatic :lol:


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: Kickle]
    #14207060 - 03/29/11 11:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't want to judge him, but some of the things he said ring true, rather it was just words from another or his own, I don't think I will ever know.

I cant comment on all of his works, I only read a couple books a long time ago.

It did help me to see why some don't like him.

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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: teknix]
    #14208339 - 03/30/11 08:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I would say it's a matter of point of view..
Has he really destroyed those lives? He gave them purpose and something to live and die for.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: cbub]
    #14208681 - 03/30/11 10:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

My opinion on CC is that his works are spot on but he overcomplicates it and it can be a little confusing at times. At the same time there are some amazing quotes in there.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: Grapefruit] * 1
    #14215731 - 03/31/11 04:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"But you don't consider yourself a sorcerer, don Juan, do you?" I asked

"No, I don't," he said. "I am a warrior who sees. In fact all of us are los nuevos videntes -- the new seers. The old seers were the sorcerers."

". . .Seeing is a peculiar feeling of knowing . . ."

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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #14216029 - 03/31/11 05:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I've read the first two books he wrote and they have truly changed my perspestive on reality. Reading his books is more powerful than any psychedelic you can ever take.

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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: NicoCL]
    #14216224 - 03/31/11 05:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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NicoCL said:
I've read the first two books he wrote and they have truly changed my perspestive on reality. Reading his books is more powerful than any psychedelic you can ever take.




I agree, there have been many strange occurrences that happen while I read his books.

Once I was reading Tales of Power, and my next door neighbor's dog started barking (it's locked in a cage and never has been given much attention by its owner)

and while that was happening,

this is what I read:

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Listen to that dog’s barking. That is the way my beloved earth is helping me now to bring this last point to you. That barking is the saddest thing one can hear. That dog’s barking is the nocturnal voice of a man. It comes from a house in that valley towards the south. A man is shouting through his dog, since they are companion slaves for life, his sadness, his boredom. He’s begging his death to come and release him from the dull and dreary chains of his life. That barking, and the loneliness it creates, speaks of the feelings of men, men for whom an entire life was like one Sunday afternoon, an afternoon which was not altogether miserable, but rather hot and dull and uncomfortable. They sweated and fussed a great deal. They didn’t know where to go, or what to do. That afternoon left them only with the memory of petty annoyances and tedium, and then suddenly it was over; it was already night.




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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #14217618 - 03/31/11 09:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

". . .Seeing is a peculiar feeling of knowing . . ."

Yeah, he said some pretty good stuff.

Or sum1 did and he wrote it, lol.

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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #14217828 - 03/31/11 10:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

NicoCL said:
I've read the first two books he wrote and they have truly changed my perspestive on reality. Reading his books is more powerful than any psychedelic you can ever take.




I agree, there have been many strange occurrences that happen while I read his books.

Once I was reading Tales of Power, and my next door neighbor's dog started barking (it's locked in a cage and never has been given much attention by its owner)

and while that was happening,

this is what I read:

Quote:

Listen to that dog’s barking. That is the way my beloved earth is helping me now to bring this last point to you. That barking is the saddest thing one can hear. That dog’s barking is the nocturnal voice of a man. It comes from a house in that valley towards the south. A man is shouting through his dog, since they are companion slaves for life, his sadness, his boredom. He’s begging his death to come and release him from the dull and dreary chains of his life. That barking, and the loneliness it creates, speaks of the feelings of men, men for whom an entire life was like one Sunday afternoon, an afternoon which was not altogether miserable, but rather hot and dull and uncomfortable. They sweated and fussed a great deal. They didn’t know where to go, or what to do. That afternoon left them only with the memory of petty annoyances and tedium, and then suddenly it was over; it was already night.







Yeah... I have refused to read anything beyond the one book I read of his, solely because it unnerved me so much. Similar to your experience, it resonated far too much with what was happening around me. I finished the book in a day and then resolved to never look back.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: Kickle]
    #14217993 - 03/31/11 11:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think that's worth reconsidering Kickle.  There is a whole lot of really interesting stuff in the later ones.

Some my favorite parts are the ones where they talk about the "eagle" and the mold of man.  It's the closest description I have found for how I feel about things in general.  Regardless of whether it’s all fiction or not doesn’t matter to me.  Parts like those  surprised me, they were such similar descriptions of what I had been thinking and working out that I was dumbfounded.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: donteatasians]
    #14218384 - 04/01/11 12:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The one I read was a later one
The Art of Dreaming


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: Kickle]
    #14218422 - 04/01/11 12:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

He was a cult leader full of shit and i believe Tools song eulogy was really about castaneda.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14218439 - 04/01/11 01:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

he could paint a reality with words and it always makes me think of this video to think about this sort of thing


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: Kickle]
    #14219274 - 04/01/11 06:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Yeah... I have refused to read anything beyond the one book I read of his, solely because it unnerved me so much. Similar to your experience, it resonated far too much with what was happening around me. I finished the book in a day and then resolved to never look back.




See, I don't find it unnerving. I find it really :awesome:, because that is what I associate "doin' thangs" with - And Carlos Castaneda's books are definitely doin' thangs. These strange occurrences that happen, I feel make me see thangs in a new perspective, and IDK. I feel like it's a lesson being taught at the moment. It's a definite synchronous moment, which usually makes me feel like there is something more to this life than we think. Which overall makes me :feelsgoodman:


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #14220033 - 04/01/11 10:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Yeah... I have refused to read anything beyond the one book I read of his, solely because it unnerved me so much.




I highly recommend Journey to Ixtlan

then tales of Power,

then whatever else,



but the first two books are the most misleading, and IMO anybody with decent perceptive powers after reading the books should be able to tell that carlos wasnt a con as much as an idiot and had no clue what he was supposed to be learning about in the first two books

and then the eagle's gift is by far the hardest one to really draw life lessons from, imo. I say save that one for last. Art of dreaming is cool but its more like a side chapter kinda thing.
The other books have much more profound little thangs that you will find applies to you whether you like it or not




they cite not being able to find the real life don Juan as evidence, yet in the books he clearly states that his real name and hometown are nobody's business..

i tell  u what. If carlos is the fraud some people think he is, then he'd have to be the most genius person ever to live and I just doubt that. If you read the books published that try to debunk castaneda, hopefully you can see the overly-western bias...its just ridiculous.


you either get it, or you dont. And at first, you probably wont get it as much as you think you do. Especially the first two books can be misleading. So it might give you a few radical ideas which will later be shattered and maybe you'll realize they were talking about something completely different


but NO other set of writing in my experience stands the same test of time. I can come back to random passages at random points in my life and be blown away in a whole new light. Or you can think its all a fraud and just scoff at it :shrug:




Quote:

He was a cult leader full of shit and i believe Tools song eulogy was really about castaneda.




and yet, in the books, don juan appointed him as "nagual" for a very good reason...

because he was an idiot

and so that everyone can see that ultimately, you're on your own


that's the great thang about those books. The real truths are there to be perceived, not read. You have to be able to spot trolling and such, you can't count on castaneda to know what he's writing about

:lol:



p.s: castaneda books are definitely doin thangs....and that is surely an understatement

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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: the bizzle]
    #14221752 - 04/01/11 03:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You guys are mislead if you believe any of that cons bullshit. It's been PROVEN to be BULLSHIT. For fuck sakes get off the guys dick.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14221782 - 04/01/11 03:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:rolleyes:

sounds like something :feelsbadman: would say


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #14221803 - 04/01/11 03:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Just because there is evidence, that evidence is subject to subjective interpretations. Which may or may not prove jack.

I dont' know if the man faked it or not, that is not the point.
The point is that his books are doin' thangs
beyond anything imaginable.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14221805 - 04/01/11 03:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What I've seen of those trying to follow his trail, they seem to be sniffing in the wrong places. Carlos seemed to have been totally uninterested in a right hand path and would have preferred a left hand style "shaman", also known as a sorcerer. Looking to a shaman within a tribe, aka a right hand path follower, is of course going to look much different in terms of practices.

I don't see any evidence to disprove he found a sorcerer who played him like a fool.


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