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DMT Tip
    #14206508 - 03/29/11 10:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Today a friend told me that you can't inhale inbetween hits you just have to take 3 big hits in a row exhaling each time. Instead of taking in oxygen inbetween hits

Is this true?


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Re: DMT Tip [Re: Cakk]
    #14209460 - 03/30/11 12:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Where's all the deemster heads at?


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Re: DMT Tip [Re: Cakk]
    #14209533 - 03/30/11 01:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

That probably helps a lot. I've only had one real 'breakthrough' experience, though I've tried it about 7 times now. Each time, I took a breath or two between hits. But it's really hard for me not to take a couple breaths, since it's pretty hard on my lungs, and I'm already really nervous and breathing fast. It really does require taking in as much as possible as quick as possible, I've noticed.


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Re: DMT Tip [Re: marny]
    #14209698 - 03/30/11 01:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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That probably helps a lot. I've only had one real 'breakthrough' experience, though I've tried it about 7 times now. Each time, I took a breath or two between hits. But it's really hard for me not to take a couple breaths, since it's pretty hard on my lungs, and I'm already really nervous and breathing fast. It really does require taking in as much as possible as quick as possible, I've noticed.




Okay. When my mate tried it he was smoking the DMT the whole time during most of the experience so clearly something wasn't going right probably not big enough hits


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Re: DMT Tip [Re: Cakk]
    #14209809 - 03/30/11 02:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Not true at all. Oxygen is important in between taking hits. The only thing is that you have to finish the bowl to the last hit. Even if it's your 7th hit and everything is becoming ridiculous, you just gotta keep going.

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Re: DMT Tip [Re: Youshouldknowabc]
    #14209946 - 03/30/11 02:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Not true at all. Oxygen is important in between taking hits. The only thing is that you have to finish the bowl to the last hit. Even if it's your 7th hit and everything is becoming ridiculous, you just gotta keep going.

:deemsters: love me some :deemsters:




Alright I guess that's why meth pipes are ideal for this because it keeps all the dmt in a small location so it doesn't spread all over the bulb part


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Re: DMT Tip [Re: Cakk]
    #14209993 - 03/30/11 02:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Not true at all. Oxygen is important in between taking hits. The only thing is that you have to finish the bowl to the last hit. Even if it's your 7th hit and everything is becoming ridiculous, you just gotta keep going.

:deemsters: love me some :deemsters:




Alright I guess that's why meth pipes are ideal for this because it keeps all the dmt in a small location so it doesn't spread all over the bulb part





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Re: DMT Tip [Re: Youshouldknowabc] * 1
    #14209998 - 03/30/11 02:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If you're doing multiple hits for breakthrough--as opposed to one massive hit (OOOOHHH SHIIITTT WHAT HAVE I DONE!?)--you should absolutely be taking in oxygen!

Hold in the vapor for ~10 seconds, exhale, breathe, KEEP HITTING. You'll get there with proper inhalation technique (assuming your device is adequate).

Also, check out this blastoff diagram compiled by the good folks over at the dmt-nexus.


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Re: DMT Tip [Re: catalyst]
    #14210477 - 03/30/11 04:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Methpipes generally suck for dmt. Harsh, hot smoke. and inconsistent. You really need to have alot of practice with them in order to do it right. And even then it is crap compared to other methods.

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Re: DMT Tip [Re: Cakk]
    #14210725 - 03/30/11 05:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Air/oxygen is mixed in with the hits...its not completely eliminated.  If you LIGHTLY hyperventilate (two or three full deep inhalation/exhalation cycles) like you would before swimming underwater in a pool just before the first hit, it is perfectly fine to take two, or even three hits without a "fresh" breath in between, so your friend is correct.  How comfortable this is is partly dependent on how long you hold each hit, obviously!

If you feel the need to take a fresh breath in between, go ahead!  If you are limiting yourself to two hits, you probably won't feel the need...but do what your body tells you!  Its NEVER wrong, and you cannot go wrong by obeying it.

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Re: DMT Tip [Re: Nature Boy]
    #14210839 - 03/30/11 05:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Air/oxygen is mixed in with the hits...its not completely eliminated.  If you LIGHTLY hyperventilate (two or three full deep inhalation/exhalation cycles) like you would before swimming underwater in a pool just before the first hit, it is perfectly fine to take two, or even three hits without a "fresh" breath in between, so your friend is correct.  How comfortable this is is partly dependent on how long you hold each hit, obviously!

If you feel the need to take a fresh breath in between, go ahead!  If you are limiting yourself to two hits, you probably won't feel the need...but do what your body tells you!  Its NEVER wrong, and you cannot go wrong by obeying it.

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Alright good info here.  I'll try and take 3 big hits.

How long should I be smoking the dmt before I lift off? Like 1 minute to get in 3 large hits holding them for 15 secs each or what


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Re: DMT Tip [Re: Cakk]
    #14210844 - 03/30/11 05:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Air/oxygen is mixed in with the hits...its not completely eliminated.  If you LIGHTLY hyperventilate (two or three full deep inhalation/exhalation cycles) like you would before swimming underwater in a pool just before the first hit, it is perfectly fine to take two, or even three hits without a "fresh" breath in between, so your friend is correct.  How comfortable this is is partly dependent on how long you hold each hit, obviously!

If you feel the need to take a fresh breath in between, go ahead!  If you are limiting yourself to two hits, you probably won't feel the need...but do what your body tells you!  Its NEVER wrong, and you cannot go wrong by obeying it.

N.B.




Alright good info here.  I'll try and take 3 big hits.

How long should I be smoking the dmt before I lift off? Like 1 minute to get in 3 large hits holding them for 15 secs each or what




You should feel it come on while you're holding your breath, and really feeling it when you exhale. I generally take about 3-4 hits off of maybe .1 grams of DMT in a bowl. By the 2nd hit, I'm having to rush the last one or two hits to get them off before I'm :trippnballs:


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Re: DMT Tip [Re: Joolz]
    #14210876 - 03/30/11 05:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Do you manage to smoke all 100mg or is there some residue left?


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Re: DMT Tip [Re: Cakk]
    #14210902 - 03/30/11 05:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Do you manage to smoke all 100mg or is there some residue left?




Generally I clean it out as much as I can. Last night (my most recent trip) I had a little bit left, so I stirred it up (mixture of ashes and the DMT ontop of it) and hit it one more time. Then cleared it out and smoked my last bowl of spice in the bowl. It left me with that familiar DMT body high to go to sleep with in my blankey. :thumbup:


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Re: DMT Tip [Re: Cakk]
    #14210908 - 03/30/11 05:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I always take at least a small breath between hits. I want to trip on DMT, not pass out. :picard:


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Re: DMT Tip [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14211227 - 03/30/11 06:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I always take at least a small breath between hits. I want to trip on DMT, not pass out. :picard:




Yeah, sometimes I'd get nervous that if I took three big hits without oxygen, I'd start hyperventilating.  Not a good head space to enter hyperspace in.


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Re: DMT Tip [Re: joemolloy]
    #14211331 - 03/30/11 07:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, the hard and fast rule is to listen to your body.  If you feel the need to take the breath, most certainly obey the urge.

After a moment's hyperventilation, I can get two solid hits in, but I use a vapor genie, hold my first hit for only about 15 or so seconds. I've been a life-long non-smoker and runner, so I have good lung capacity and very decent oxygenation off of the hyperventilation despite my age.  Three hits without breathing is almost certain to be beyond my ability.

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Re: DMT Tip [Re: joemolloy]
    #14211342 - 03/30/11 07:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I always take at least a small breath between hits. I want to trip on DMT, not pass out. :picard:




Yeah, sometimes I'd get nervous that if I took three big hits without oxygen, I'd start hyperventilating.  Not a good head space to enter hyperspace in.




Yea good point but from my mates attempts to trip on dmt left him questioning how powerful dmt is because he got the sounds and slight fractals but nothing like what dmt is glorified as


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Re: DMT Tip [Re: Cakk]
    #14211375 - 03/30/11 07:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It can be hard taking in a breakthrough dose, but it all comes down to smoking technique... you want to inhale as much as possible with each hit.

So yeah, tell him to work on his smoking technique. I know people who can break through on just one hit.


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Re: DMT Tip [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14211386 - 03/30/11 07:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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It can be hard taking in a breakthrough dose, but it all comes down to smoking technique... you want to inhale as much as possible with each hit.

So yeah, tell him to work on his smoking technique. I know people who can break through on just one hit.




Funny story, I went to get some deesters last night and a guy there blasted off. He was hooked up, and we told him to hit it light so that he felt a little then go to fucking TOWN the second time around to blast off.

He hit it once and I had to get the pipe from him before he dropped it. Needless to say, it was some greatttttttttttt dmt later that night when I blasted off. A little scary, and it was a tense trip (saw the Devil among other uneasy things) but damn it was good! I've got some waiting at home for me. :smilingpuppy:


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Re: DMT Tip [Re: Cakk]
    #14211388 - 03/30/11 07:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Yea good point but from my mates attempts to trip on dmt left him questioning how powerful dmt is because he got the sounds and slight fractals but nothing like what dmt is glorified as




Some folks have a blunted response to DMT, and a small percentage (around 10%) have absolutely NO RESPONSE at all, even to "heroic" IV dosages, according to Dr. Rick Strassman.

See if you and your mate can iron out the vaporization technique and rule that out as the underlying cause of the failure to launch.

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Re: DMT Tip [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14211404 - 03/30/11 07:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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It can be hard taking in a breakthrough dose, but it all comes down to smoking technique... you want to inhale as much as possible with each hit.

So yeah, tell him to work on his smoking technique. I know people who can break through on just one hit.




Alright is a breakthrough dose 40-60mg or is it much more than that? Going off what erowid says


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Yea good point but from my mates attempts to trip on dmt left him questioning how powerful dmt is because he got the sounds and slight fractals but nothing like what dmt is glorified as




Some folks have a blunted response to DMT, and a small percentage (around 10%) have absolutely NO RESPONSE at all, even to "heroic" IV dosages, according to Dr. Rick Strassman.

See if you and your mate can iron out the vaporization technique and rule that out as the underlying cause of the failure to launch.

N.B.



More than likely this was the issue he couldn't manage to get 4 hits from a lightbulb vape in under 5 mins so I assume there wasn't enough dmt entering the body and the body was metabolizing it before it could even lift off.


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Re: DMT Tip [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #14211431 - 03/30/11 07:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I always feel like... it's almost a race to smoke it all...

Am I going to be tripping too hard and dribble on myself halfway through?  Or can I make it?! 

I generally try to take one big hit, breathe that in deep, breathe some air - BEFORE exhalation, then take another big hit.. as much as possible.. hold and breathe slowly out, then try and get the rest, if I haven't managed it on the first go.

I've had some pretty interesting DMT-land trips of late (with Changa - Changa is the way to go!), and I feel like i've changed the psychosomatic symptoms of a DMT trip in many ways for myself.. more able to cope with one part, more likely to slip into hyperspace, on another.

Still just as bizarre as ever.... gotta keep pushing those boundaries though....


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Re: DMT Tip [Re: catalyst]
    #14211514 - 03/30/11 07:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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If you're doing multiple hits for breakthrough--as opposed to one massive hit (OOOOHHH SHIIITTT WHAT HAVE I DONE!?)--you should absolutely be taking in oxygen!

Hold in the vapor for ~10 seconds, exhale, breathe, KEEP HITTING. You'll get there with proper inhalation technique (assuming your device is adequate).

Also, check out this blastoff diagram compiled by the good folks over at the dmt-nexus.





Upon reading that diagram, I both couldn't agree more and couldn't agree less with the whole thing!

I think that the subjective nature should be even more emphasised, and the importance of coming up with one's own ritual, and exploring things on ones own terms (even if that means the dabbling into irresponsibility at times) should be the most.important.things.

I mean, rules are great and all... but they're pretty much also the very source of the problem for all subjective anythinngs - whether it's philosophy, religion, spirituality or the psychedelics. 

The point of these things is to break down the barriers, and understand why one has one's own barriers...

But, perhaps I misread, and they sorta are saying that....


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Re: DMT Tip [Re: ZenXi6]
    #14211650 - 03/30/11 07:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I really strongly disagree with the idea that you shouldn't smoke DMT while drunk. It's worked great for me many times.


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Re: DMT Tip [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14211697 - 03/30/11 08:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I had my most intense trip while quite drunk... but, I'm of two sides with that... I feel I shouldn't trip when drunk... but, if I want to.. I think it's a good idea.  In the end, it's up to .. the individual!


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Re: DMT Tip [Re: ZenXi6]
    #14211716 - 03/30/11 08:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Changa with plenty of caapi and you will be in space on one hit, no more worries about any of this... :smile:


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Re: DMT Tip [Re: gornyhuy]
    #14211768 - 03/30/11 08:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Changa with plenty of caapi and you will be in space on one hit, no more worries about any of this... :smile:





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Re: DMT Tip [Re: ZenXi6]
    #14212264 - 03/30/11 09:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Upon reading that diagram, I both couldn't agree more and couldn't agree less with the whole thing!

I think that the subjective nature should be even more emphasised, and the importance of coming up with one's own ritual, and exploring things on ones own terms (even if that means the dabbling into irresponsibility at times) should be the most.important.things.

I mean, rules are great and all... but they're pretty much also the very source of the problem for all subjective anythinngs - whether it's philosophy, religion, spirituality or the psychedelics. 

The point of these things is to break down the barriers, and understand why one has one's own barriers...

But, perhaps I misread, and they sorta are saying that....




Of course, you cannot confine the experience within objective precepts. I don't think the diagram is intended to impose "rules" encroaching on the subjective interaction, rather it is guide, collectively traced from experience with the compound. The whole thing bears a somewhat quixotic tone, but I think it possesses reasonable insight nonetheless.


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Re: DMT Tip [Re: catalyst]
    #14212491 - 03/30/11 10:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Of course, you cannot confine the experience within objective precepts. I don't think the diagram is intended to impose "rules" encroaching on the subjective interaction, rather it is guide, collectively traced from experience with the compound. The whole thing bears a somewhat quixotic tone, but I think it possesses reasonable insight nonetheless.




Agreed - I think it's aims and intentions are good at heart, and I generally agree with it and probably think it good advice... you're right about it's quixocity though!


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Re: DMT Tip [Re: ZenXi6]
    #14212503 - 03/30/11 10:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)



Thoughts? I think i'll need to cover the top so the vape stays inside before I hit it.


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Re: DMT Tip [Re: ZenXi6]
    #14212518 - 03/30/11 10:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If you smoke this out of a glass VG is it easy to clean out?  I'm worried about residue being stuck there when I smoke normally.


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Re: DMT Tip [Re: Vesrah]
    #14212992 - 03/31/11 01:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I just smoked, so I have a very strong indication of what I did. I've only got spice, so I loaded up a bowl, smoked a bit, then loaded up something like .1 of deems. Put it on top, burnt/melted it a little bit, held that for say 10 seconds, then let it out. Hit it again, and I could really feel it coming, so I held it all the way for like 30 seconds. Thennnn, I took a huuuuuuuuge hit of all of it, lit up the whole bowl, and downed that shit. I held it for like 10 seconds, then started coughing, and fucking TOOK OFF INTO SPACE!

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Re: DMT Tip [Re: Cakk]
    #14213674 - 03/31/11 07:55 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Today a friend told me that you can't inhale inbetween hits you just have to take 3 big hits in a row exhaling each time. Instead of taking in oxygen inbetween hits

Is this true?




Okay I feel like I'm getting in on this conversation very late, but here is my method for one-toke breakthrough on DMT...

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10927061#10927061


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Re: DMT Tip [Re: dwpineal]
    #14221941 - 04/01/11 04:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Okay I feel like I'm getting in on this conversation very late, but here is my method for one-toke breakthrough on DMT...

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10927061#10927061




Ahhhh...dw my old friend, you are SO RIGHT!  I totally forgot about this post of yours, even though I'd said at the time I'd give it a try.  Well, thanks to the above reminder (and now armed with a Vapor Genie of my own), I gave the "one toke breakthrough" method of yours a go this morning.

OMFG!!!!!!!!  Best one-hit magic ever!!!!  Definitely hit a level 4.  Never realized what a little hyperventilation and one LONG, SLOW, FULL toke from a VG could accomplish!  WHEW!!!!!!!!  :omg:

Thanks for the reminder...and the excellent experience!

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Re: DMT Tip [Re: Nature Boy]
    #14242127 - 04/05/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Wow man, almost missed your post my brother!!!! Sometimes the weekends get away from me :smile:

I'm really glad you had the same results that we've found of the method in our circles

I think I maybe need to re-write some of it to make it more clear on certain parts, but maybe I'll give the old thread a bump one of these days :smile:

Love ya my brother
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Re: DMT Tip [Re: dwpineal]
    #14249180 - 04/06/11 06:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Doubt it needs a re-write or further explanation.  Just launched to an even further point out into hyperspace using the VG and the one toke method you described.  That's two for two.

Luckily I've been preparing for that moment for years.  Absolute wonderment!  No panic was involved, although I had to force myself to control my breathing.  In addition to the usual, utterly indescribable kaleidoscopic visions, my body felt like it grew like the beanstalk in "Jack and the Beanstalk".  It rocketed out until I felt 2 miles long.  My fingers felt like they were two feet long, thin, stretched and bony.

I have no recollection of laying back, and I DEFINITELY closed my eyes because I'm pretty sure ordinary "consensual reality" would have pretty much been a disturbing sight worthy of recollection.  Thank goodness I didn't peek.

The efficiency of the vapor Genie is NOT to be underestimated.  Almost miraculous, because all this happened on a relatively economical 7 - 8 mgs!!!  NOW I feel it was well worth the cost.

"NEVER underestimate the power of STUFF!" said someone at the Nexus.  True - so true!  DMT plus Vapor Genie =  :cannon:

Love you too, man.  Stay happy, safe and well.  :peace:

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Re: DMT Tip [Re: Nature Boy]
    #23162823 - 04/27/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Guys, I am just curious, but how does one go about acquiring DMT, a friend of mine and I have never tried it and we are curious in experimenting. Would appreciate a nudge in the right direction, thx guys


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Re: DMT Tip [Re: Angelo]
    #23163753 - 04/28/16 01:23 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Guys, I am just curious, but how does one go about acquiring DMT, a friend of mine and I have never tried it and we are curious in experimenting. Would appreciate a nudge in the right direction, thx guys



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