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    #14206217 - 03/29/11 09:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I have fascinating, elaborate and sometimes awesome dreams just about every night. I lucid dream a few times a week on average, sometimes multiple times a night. It seems like I have been getting "better" at it over the past 6-8 years since I can ever remember having a lucid dream and subsequently researching/discovering what they were.

Anyone consistently having crazy/awesome/fascinating etc. dreams? Anyone lucid dream often? Do you have different techniques you use to induce/control lucid dreaming experiences?

Also I'd like to add I sometimes take melatonin (usually 10mg) and it really seems to amplify the bizarre and complex aspect of dreaming and sometimes makes them more vivid. I don't always take it though, and have crazy/awesome dreams and lucid dreams without it.


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Re: my brain makes awesome dmt [Re: PsilocybinMike]
    #14206265 - 03/29/11 09:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I have been taking melatonin now for about 2 months and I totally agree.  It seems like my dreams have been much more in depth and vivid than ever before.  It puts me into a very quick deep sleep.  I love it though.


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Re: my brain makes awesome dmt [Re: PsilocybinMike]
    #14206608 - 03/29/11 10:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The claim that DMT is produced by the pineal gland, or the brain in general, is unfounded; it's only speculatory by Dr. Strassman.


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Re: my brain makes awesome dmt [Re: easyrider]
    #14206713 - 03/29/11 10:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

not really sure what role dmt serves in the brain


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Re: my brain makes awesome dmt [Re: easyrider]
    #14206726 - 03/29/11 10:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I was under the impression it was pretty much established DMT is produced naturally by our brain in such situations as dreaming and near death/end of life experiences.

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Re: my brain makes awesome dmt [Re: PsilocybinMike]
    #14206759 - 03/29/11 10:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I was under the impression it was pretty much established DMT is produced naturally by our brain in such situations as dreaming and near death/end of life experiences.

:themoreyouknow:




That's what I formerly thought as well, until I came across this.


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Re: my brain makes awesome dmt [Re: PsilocybinMike]
    #14206766 - 03/29/11 10:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I too have the most intense and fucked up dreams possible EACH AND EVERY NIGHT@!!!!!

its pretty great....

Last night I dreamt i was Freestlye rap-battling a bunch of black people at a mall in detroit.... and KICKING ass!!!


I have like 4 diferent VIVId dreams every night.....
maybe thats why i sleep till like 5 in the day.


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Re: my brain makes awesome dmt [Re: easyrider]
    #14206788 - 03/29/11 10:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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easyrider said:
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PsilocybinMike said:
I was under the impression it was pretty much established DMT is produced naturally by our brain in such situations as dreaming and near death/end of life experiences.

:themoreyouknow:




That's what I formerly thought as well, until I came across this.




i declare TOTAL shenanigans upon them saying its not released during dreams etc....
my anecdotal evidence, thousands of them, would suggest otherwise...


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Re: my brain makes awesome dmt [Re: shroomie_glen]
    #14207687 - 03/30/11 03:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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my anecdotal evidence, thousands of them, would suggest otherwise...




your anecdotal evidence is your dreams?

and your dreams are telling you that your brain is producing DMT?

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Re: my brain makes awesome dmt [Re: k00laid]
    #14208737 - 03/30/11 10:34 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Didn't Terrance McKenna used to make the joke "everybodies holding" in reference to the naturally produced DMT inside us all? I am quite certain he did make this joke, I saw it on a video somewhere. Youtube?


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Re: my brain makes awesome dmt [Re: k00laid]
    #14208797 - 03/30/11 10:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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k00laid said:
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shroomie_glen said:
my anecdotal evidence, thousands of them, would suggest otherwise...




your anecdotal evidence is your dreams?

and your dreams are telling you that your brain is producing DMT?

.........




Yes, i have had dreams that were nothing but kaleidoscopic hyperspace inter dimensional energy dissention before...... probably at least 50 that were just that....
The Similarity between what I dream, and what I have known to love as DMT is waaaaaay to close to be just a coincidence.

And yes I did say ANECDOTAL evidence, not absolute scientific evidence.


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Re: my brain makes awesome dmt [Re: shroomie_glen]
    #14209324 - 03/30/11 12:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Okay how about instead of saying "oh yeah well i have weird dreams so they're wrong" you point out
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easyrider said:
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PsilocybinMike said:
I was under the impression it was pretty much established DMT is produced naturally by our brain in such situations as dreaming and near death/end of life experiences.

:themoreyouknow:




That's what I formerly thought as well, until I came across this.




i declare TOTAL shenanigans upon them saying its not released during dreams etc....
my anecdotal evidence, thousands of them, would suggest otherwise...



Interesting. And which part of "We lack the proper enzymes" do you disagree with?


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Re: my brain makes awesome dmt [Re: PsilocybinMike]
    #14210819 - 03/30/11 05:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I was under the impression it was pretty much established DMT is produced naturally by our brain in such situations as dreaming and near death/end of life experiences.

:themoreyouknow:




DMT is found in minute quantities in humans but there is no evidence that it's produced in the pineal gland or has anything to do with dreams or the death process, that's all pure speculation.


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Re: my brain makes awesome dmt [Re: shroomie_glen]
    #14210909 - 03/30/11 05:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The Similarity between what I dream, and what I have known to love as DMT is waaaaaay to close to be just a coincidence.




was this before or after you ingested DMT? now that i've smoked DMT a number of times i sometimes have dreams where i have similar experiences to those afforded by smoked DMT but that didn't happen previously to having tried it.


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Re: my brain makes awesome dmt [Re: muistrue]
    #14210915 - 03/30/11 05:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Even if DMT is produced in our brains (which at this point is not proven fact) it's still very improbable that one chemical is solely responsible for producing the experience we call dreaming. There's a lot more going in there.

Some people just want to believe what they want to believe though... and people are generally attracted to simple answers. DMT- yup, that explains it all.. easy enough.


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Re: my brain makes awesome dmt [Re: muistrue]
    #14210921 - 03/30/11 05:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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FractalDust said:
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PsilocybinMike said:
I was under the impression it was pretty much established DMT is produced naturally by our brain in such situations as dreaming and near death/end of life experiences.

:themoreyouknow:




DMT is found in minute quantities in humans but there is no evidence that it's produced in the pineal gland or has anything to do with dreams or the death process, that's all pure speculation.




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Re: my brain makes awesome dmt [Re: k00laid]
    #14211132 - 03/30/11 06:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

OMG i didnt know such flamage could arise from my seemingly non aggressive words....

I Dream therefore I am.
I don't KNOW that dmt causes it, I just suspect it.
I love you all nonetheless of how or why it does occur.


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Re: my brain makes awesome dmt [Re: shroomie_glen]
    #14211155 - 03/30/11 06:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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OMG i didnt know such flamage could arise from my seemingly non aggressive words....

I Dream therefore I am.
I don't KNOW that dmt causes it, I just suspect it.
I love you all nonetheless of how or why it does occur.




I always have to correct my friends on how DMT already found in your body does not make you trip, in your dreams or otherwise.

The only thing i suspect is that it is released in measureable quantities when you are born and when you are on your deathbed. But this is completely unfounded (that i know of).


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Re: my brain makes awesome dmt [Re: saxx]
    #14211211 - 03/30/11 06:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

a few weeks ago I had a very vivid dream,
and when I awoke, i was having vivid hallucinations of an earthquake happening in my room.

I could feel the bed shaking violently and the flag on my ceiling was turned into a piece of the roof cracking open,
until it turned back into a flag and i could move and tell that it was all a hallucination.
no one else felt such quake.

I can now beleive DMT is involved with the dream state.


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Re: my brain makes awesome dmt [Re: SalviNate]
    #14211345 - 03/30/11 07:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

you know i think this "dmt found in your body" thing is just as bogus as dmt making you dream

unless someone here can pull some DMT out of their piss or hair follicles or dead skin or nails or can extract DMT from a dead relative


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Re: my brain makes awesome dmt [Re: fallenlsd]
    #14211351 - 03/30/11 07:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"I dream therefore I am"

More like "dreams therefore dreams"


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Re: my brain makes awesome dmt [Re: SalviNate]
    #14212666 - 03/30/11 11:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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crazy dreams unnerving semi-awake state etc etc etc

I can now beleive DMT is involved with the dream state.





You've done a fair share of psychedelics haven't you? Well there you go. Enjoy the wild dreams and waking up half-tripping.


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Re: my brain makes awesome dmt [Re: saxx]
    #14212676 - 03/30/11 11:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

When browsing the Shroomery, I frequently find myself wanting to strangle Dr. Strassman.


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Re: my brain makes awesome dmt [Re: saxx]
    #14212763 - 03/31/11 12:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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saxx said:
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SalviNate said:
crazy dreams unnerving semi-awake state etc etc etc

I can now beleive DMT is involved with the dream state.





You've done a fair share of psychedelics haven't you? Well there you go. Enjoy the wild dreams and waking up half-tripping.




not this year actually its a bit of a drought where i am at the moment.

Never have experienced any after effects in my life either,
I was sober when i fell asleep,
and it only lasted a few seconds, In that time i was still under sleep paralysis.

you're saying you've woke up from a dream to intense vibrations and visuals before? lol.


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Re: my brain makes awesome dmt [Re: SalviNate]
    #14212822 - 03/31/11 12:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

No i'm not saying that. I've not done a mass of psychedelics however.

But there are several things which would actually explain your experience. Sleep paralysis (which seems like a fairly obvious self-describing condition but it's somewhat complicated), and also being half-awake. As well as a simple flashback.

I'm just saying i really, really doubt DMT affects your dreams or sleep at all.


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Re: my brain makes awesome dmt [Re: saxx]
    #14212881 - 03/31/11 12:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

yeah its all assumptions as of now,
all we know is its a pretty prominent chemical in nature,

What we don't know is what exactly makes us dream.
(other than it has to do with our sub conscious)

not saying this is fact 100% fact but i just found it on erowid.
"DMT can be produced by enzymes in mammalian lung (11) and in rodent brain (12). DMT has been found in human urine, blood, and cerebrospinal fluid (9, 13). Although there are no conclusive quantitative studies measuring the abundance of endogenous DMT because of its rapid metabolism.


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Re: my brain makes awesome dmt [Re: SalviNate] * 1
    #14212917 - 03/31/11 12:59 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Whoa, whoa...

We needa step back a moment - Everyone who is making unfounded claims based on subjective interpretations... are doing EXACTLY.. and I repeat EXAAACCTTLLLYYY the same thing people of a theological tendency might do with their proofs of God and other such other-worldly things.

Hypothesis and idea is fine - but the fact (as it stands at this point in time) remains - We have NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE WHAT SO EVER to show that DMT produces dreams.  In fact, we are able to monitor people's minds while they dream - does anyone know if anyone has conducted neuro-chemical analysis on a group of people to determine this once and for all?

It's interesting speculation guys, but, it's not fact.

And, one of the WORST POSSIBLE JUSTIFICATIONS FOR ANYTHING of this nature, is someone saying, "I reckon it's there.. I had this vision...".

Anecdotal - yes, completely subjective - yes, useful in objectively measuring chemicals in a brain... NOPE. 

Brains do a lot of weird shit.  A LOT.  You need to measure chemicals, before making wild speculation and claiming truth because of what you "feel".


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Re: my brain makes awesome dmt [Re: SalviNate]
    #14212923 - 03/31/11 01:00 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The body uses tryptamines for various functions, a good example being melatonin. Just because DMT is present in the human body doesn't necessarily mean is serves a vital function. It could just as easily be a metabolic waste product as anything else. There's really no reason to think that DMT has anything to do with dreaming, birth, death, or anything in particular, really.


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Re: my brain makes awesome dmt [Re: LSDreamer]
    #14212952 - 03/31/11 01:09 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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LSDreamer said: There's really no reason to think that DMT has anything to do with dreaming, birth, death, or anything in particular, really.




I agree though like i said earlier, i made the distinction of saying "this is however completely unfounded". Don't pit me in with those people saying "I HAD VISIONS, IT'S TRUE". =P


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Re: my brain makes awesome dmt [Re: ZenXi6] * 1
    #14213479 - 03/31/11 06:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Wild speculation inspires experiments. 
When a hypothesis is proven wrong through experimentation, the process is still a success.

It's so easy to sit back and say, 'Well, there's no proof, so....'  but we've got to admit that many scientific discoveries would never have been made had it not been for keeping an open mind and embracing radical ideas, if only for a while. 

Personally, I'm more interested in what active doses of non-endogenous DMT are doing to people rather than the dream theories etc. but I really think that hating on Strassman or anyone who dares to speculate ignores the fact that much of (if not all) science and art is built on the basis of bold and often wrong ideas which lead to experiments that prove what's really going on.

It's a necessary step, this speculation.


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Re: my brain makes awesome dmt [Re: monkeyheaven]
    #14216600 - 03/31/11 07:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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It's a necessary step, this speculation.




True, speculation is great.

Presenting speculation as a die hard fact is not.


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Re: my brain makes awesome dmt [Re: SalviNate]
    #14216675 - 03/31/11 07:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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a few weeks ago I had a very vivid dream,
and when I awoke, i was having vivid hallucinations of an earthquake happening in my room.

I could feel the bed shaking violently and the flag on my ceiling was turned into a piece of the roof cracking open,
until it turned back into a flag and i could move and tell that it was all a hallucination.
no one else felt such quake.

I can now beleive DMT is involved with the dream state.




Hypnagogic hallucinations, maybe?


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Re: my brain makes awesome dmt [Re: vulcAn]
    #14230494 - 04/03/11 10:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)



Is he wrong? He also references the McKenna joke I referenced in my last post.

Also I just want to add that after trying DMT after awaking from a really intense and complex dream I just have this intuition that it must be involved in the dreaming process too. I've also TRIPPED during dreams and done other drugs. I've woken up straight out of a dream and had minor visuals like letters on a poster in my room were swaying and breathing lightly like on acid/mushrooms.


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Re: dreams are neat [Re: PsilocybinMike]
    #14230610 - 04/03/11 10:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ahh i have had a 2 lucid dreams over my short life

One when I was about 15-16. i had a dream i was in my neighbors backyard, ironically was sitting on a mushroom (before i had ever tried them btw) and realized i was dreaming. I attempted to create an AK-47 to play with in my dream, and i created it in 2 pieces, one in each hand. I then just touched the 2 ends together, and blam, i had a working assault rifle. I fired of a few shots in the air laughing hysterically before my body woke me up.. It was awesome

Then very recently, a few days ago, I realized i was dreaming when I was ontop of a building in a dream. I said, "Well, Time to wake up" And jumped off the roof of this high rise building. I remember being scared just a bit so i didnt fall backwards off the building, i had to go feet first. Woke up before i hit the ground.

Amazing experiences. I have found that just as your getting really tired and heavy eyed to actually just think to yourself about having lucid dreams, and it worked for me.

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Re: my brain makes awesome dmt [Re: LSDreamer]
    #14230644 - 04/03/11 10:50 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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When browsing the Shroomery, I frequently find myself wanting to strangle Dr. Strassman.




Dude made it pretty clear he was just speculating in the book. It's wishful thinking that makes people say otherwise.


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Re: my brain makes awesome dmt [Re: LSDreamer]
    #14230784 - 04/03/11 11:34 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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When browsing the Shroomery, I frequently find myself wanting to strangle Dr. Strassman.





Yeah, strangle the guy who went through years of work to get the first DMT study in years approved and wrote an awesome book about it. He made it clear that it was just pure speculation.

My opinion is people do DMT and its so eyeopening and intense that they have to connect it to something. You cant just leave something like DMT in the pile with the rest of the drugs, even other psychedelics. It seems like theres gotta be a bigger thing to it. or maybe not


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