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iSHACKA
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Hard wheat Kernal, Too dry?
#14204675 - 03/29/11 04:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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My first time at grain, found hard wheat kernal at bulk barn. Soaked 17 hours, simmered, brought to a boil, but only boiled for about 5 minutes. it did sit in the water for about 15. Then PC'D.
My grains felt dry to the touch and had hardened up a bit, still able to pinch them apart. Can anyone tell my photos if it looks ok.
too soon to see signs of growth.    
Thanks for your time, I had my BRF cakes not turn out so well so im banking on this.
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Re: Hard wheat Kernal, Too dry? [Re: iSHACKA]
#14204782 - 03/29/11 05:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Hard wheat Kernal, Too dry? [Re: iSHACKA]
#14204895 - 03/29/11 05:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Your jars look perfect.
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iSHACKA
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Re: Hard wheat Kernal, Too dry? [Re: LeopardMan]
#14206184 - 03/29/11 09:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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thanks,
I let the kernals sit out for like an hour cooling after the simmer, drying, before the PC
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Re: Hard wheat Kernal, Too dry? [Re: iSHACKA]
#14206487 - 03/29/11 10:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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As LM said your grain looks perfect. I would know having some experience with wheat kernels myself.

I would suggest looking around for a local feed mill next time you want some wheat. I went from paying $1.09 a lb at the bulk barn to .49 cents a lb from a feel mill. I get a 55lb bag of hard wheat kernels for $27.
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Look just like mine I could put up a couple pictures tomorrow as I will be finishing the 28 quarts I started today, I only got half way done STUPID 21 qt pressure cooker, can't wait to get myself a larger one.
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iSHACKA
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great! thanks for the support.
Out of 12 brf cakes I only have two left, because I was impatient and kept lookin at the jars. This time im not messing around.
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Re: Hard wheat Kernal, Too dry? [Re: iSHACKA]
#14219620 - 04/01/11 08:55 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Day 7 - 0 sign of growth
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Re: Hard wheat Kernal, Too dry? [Re: iSHACKA]
#14219956 - 04/01/11 10:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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EvilMushroom666
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Spore germination can take anywhere from 7-14 days to start, sometimes longer be patient young grasshopper. Your grain does not appear to be to dry...What are you using for filtered GE?
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iSHACKA
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Just polyfill holes. I guess i am being impatient. im comparing this to my first brf and they went faster I suppose.
My room is on the cold side, 65. Maybe I should try to find a spot a touch hotter. Either way I guess im worryign way to much over this.
thx guys
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Edited by iSHACKA (04/01/11 11:24 AM)
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Re: Hard wheat Kernal, Too dry? [Re: iSHACKA]
#14220223 - 04/01/11 11:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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you can place your jars over your fridge, to get them a bit warmer if you want..
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Re: Hard wheat Kernal, Too dry? [Re: iSHACKA]
#14220227 - 04/01/11 11:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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If at day 17-18 you have yet to see any growth I would start to consider something is wrong. Until then, kick back, do some reading, go about life and do not forget to take some you time.
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iSHACKA
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So today is day 12, and i have nothing. Im questioning this needle i bought as I also made some LC with it and none of those have done anything!
im going to give it to day 15 and toss the bitch out. Anyone oppose?
fuck more wasted time
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Re: Hard wheat Kernal, Too dry? [Re: iSHACKA]
#14243152 - 04/05/11 05:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I would keep them around for at least another week after you reach 15 days.
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Quote:
EvilMushroom666 said: I would keep them around for at least another week after you reach 15 days.
+1 Also, where did you buy your spores? Or are you using a LC?
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Re: Hard wheat Kernal, Too dry? [Re: LeopardMan]
#14243439 - 04/05/11 06:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I guess I have nothing to loose in waiting and can start more in the mean time any how.
I bought my spores from a very reputable company in Toronto, called THC
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Re: Hard wheat Kernal, Too dry? [Re: iSHACKA]
#14247219 - 04/06/11 12:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't know. You grains are perfect so I would be inclined to blame the spore syringe. What do you say EM? Is THC a good Canadian vendor? Also, did you let your jars cool down before inoculating (6-8 hours)?
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Re: Hard wheat Kernal, Too dry? [Re: LeopardMan]
#14247224 - 04/06/11 12:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Iv known a few people who say they are legit(Other then being a bit expensive) but I personally have not dealt with them.
Perhaps if they do not rotate there stock you may have gotten an old syringe. Did the syringe come with a packaging/made on date?
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iSHACKA
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jars were cooled down over night, dry to the touch.
THC is like the biggest thing here in Toronto, but they focus 98% on Canabis, so anything is possible.
I have had zero luck with the needle so far. ive also made some BRF cakes which have not shown anything, although thats only been like 5 days so its irrelevent for now
I soaked some more grains last night and im going to try my luck with a homemade spore needle, PE. That was gifted to me.
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Re: Hard wheat Kernal, Too dry? [Re: iSHACKA]
#14247289 - 04/06/11 12:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bad syringe in my opinion
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iSHACKA
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Re: Hard wheat Kernal, Too dry? [Re: LeopardMan]
#14247395 - 04/06/11 01:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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If my BRF cakes are no good as well im going to be seriously pissed, that will be a lot of time and money wasted.
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Re: Hard wheat Kernal, Too dry? [Re: iSHACKA]
#14249811 - 04/06/11 08:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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iSHACKA
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Ok guys
Since there is NOTHING going on in here, Can I try innoculating these same jars again with an active needle I have prepared?
Is there a chance this can work? Please let me know!!
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Re: Hard wheat Kernal, Too dry? [Re: iSHACKA]
#14251862 - 04/07/11 07:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Active needle? What do you mean? The problem is not the needle. Use a new spore syringe if you don't want to waste your time.
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Re: Hard wheat Kernal, Too dry? [Re: LeopardMan]
#14251888 - 04/07/11 07:50 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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No you misunderstood.
I have a completly different spore syringe that I made from a print. Can I try knocking up these same jars again, as they are? Even though the grain has sat for like 13 days or whatever???
I really need to know
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Re: Hard wheat Kernal, Too dry? [Re: iSHACKA]
#14251941 - 04/07/11 08:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oh, I am sorry. Yes, you can give it a try if the kernels are not too dry and if the jars are not contaminated. Needless to say, it's much better to start with new jars and new grains. But if you don't mind wasting a few more cc's of spore solution, you can go ahead and try. You have nothing to lose.
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iSHACKA
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Re: Hard wheat Kernal, Too dry? [Re: LeopardMan]
#14251947 - 04/07/11 08:08 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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THanks!!!!
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Re: Hard wheat Kernal, Too dry? [Re: iSHACKA]
#14252467 - 04/07/11 10:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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well I knocked up these jars for the second time. 13 days later or whatever
Will be a good experiment to see if this is possible. I dont think any jars will have been contamn, but for the moisture level I have no way of knowing.
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Re: Hard wheat Kernal, Too dry? [Re: iSHACKA]
#14276770 - 04/12/11 07:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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ok so after 4 days of knocking up these jars a second time we have first sign of growth, i also did a totally new jar that same day and today it has growth.
so my original needle was definitly bad. Hopefully I wont run risk of contamn.
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Re: Hard wheat Kernal, Too dry? [Re: iSHACKA]
#14276802 - 04/12/11 07:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's good news. Next time buy from a shroomery sponsor
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Re: Hard wheat Kernal, Too dry? [Re: LeopardMan]
#14278472 - 04/12/11 02:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Hard wheat Kernal, Too dry? [Re: iSHACKA]
#14278571 - 04/12/11 03:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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nice. you made it
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Re: Hard wheat Kernal, Too dry? [Re: iSHACKA]
#14281056 - 04/12/11 10:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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iSHACKA said:

ITS ALIVE!
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well done man, your grain looks great
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iSHACKA
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Re: Hard wheat Kernal, Too dry? [Re: basic360]
#14282408 - 04/13/11 06:30 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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a few more tiny white specs this morning, that spot hasnt got any bigger tho.
Thanks for the comments
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Re: Hard wheat Kernal, Too dry? [Re: iSHACKA]
#14282718 - 04/13/11 08:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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it's going to be pretty slow growth, try not to watch it day by day. at a certain point it will get progressively faster
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Re: Hard wheat Kernal, Too dry? [Re: iSHACKA]
#14283076 - 04/13/11 10:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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ishacka since you re-inoculated those jars they might be on the dry side of things which could slow down colonization drastically or make the jars stall.
Sounds like you are making or getting syringes with lots of viable spores in them now, so for your next attempts you'll have less to troubleshoot.
good job and keep up the patience.
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