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morrowasted
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Can anyone identify these?
#14204664 - 03/29/11 04:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Habitat: Houston, TX. Found on semi-maintained lawn-style grass in relatively wet conditions.
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Spore print color: In the process.
Bruising: Does not seem to bruise blue
Thanks in advance These look sort of like what I've seen in pictures of Pan Cinctulus... I am a noob at this though. But they do not seem active to me. Will post spore prints later.
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Re: Can anyone identify these? [Re: morrowasted]
#14204741 - 03/29/11 04:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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They look like Panaeolus cinctulus to me. Wait on spore print.
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Re: Can anyone identify these? [Re: canid]
#14204814 - 03/29/11 05:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I suppose those could be P. cinctulus, but to me they appear more like P. papilionaceus... will a spore print even help on that?
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Re: Can anyone identify these? [Re: Oreganic]
#14204891 - 03/29/11 05:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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no, but i don't generally find those on lawn grass, and hadn't considered it. they certainly don't strike me as papilionaceus.
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Re: Can anyone identify these? [Re: canid]
#14205008 - 03/29/11 05:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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canid said: They look like Panaeolus cinctulus to me.
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Re: Can anyone identify these? [Re: The Thinker]
#14205289 - 03/29/11 06:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Any way I can be sure of what they are?
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Re: Can anyone identify these? [Re: morrowasted]
#14205615 - 03/29/11 07:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Anyone? Considering dosing tomorrow
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Re: Can anyone identify these? [Re: morrowasted]
#14205674 - 03/29/11 08:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Def.cinctulus bro,enjoy!!
Edited by Blue-FunGuy (03/29/11 08:05 PM)
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Re: Can anyone identify these? [Re: Blue-FunGuy]
#14205819 - 03/29/11 08:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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thanks. never tried them before. what is an appropriate dose? when I take PFtek cubes I generally take 1.5-2.5 grams. Also, just want to verify once more that those are the same species? no oddballs in there?
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Re: Can anyone identify these? [Re: morrowasted]
#14205970 - 03/29/11 08:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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The dose is pretty high for lawn cinctulus.Usually around one fresh ounce or up to 10gm. dried for a nice experience.You will find more if you keep that area watered! And there are no oddballs in your collection,just make sure all the spore prints are black.
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Re: Can anyone identify these? [Re: Blue-FunGuy]
#14205990 - 03/29/11 08:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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thanks for the info I got lucky, wasn't even hunting... just spotted em on my way to class.
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Re: Can anyone identify these? [Re: morrowasted]
#14206096 - 03/29/11 09:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's the almost same way I found my first patch, riding my bike over to a friends looked down and bam there they were. Crappy thing about grass subbs is the dose; start at about 30.
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Re: Can anyone identify these? [Re: irbaa]
#14206533 - 03/29/11 10:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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i wouldnt mind trying these but shit, its alot of weak mushrooms you have to eat!! i tried getting high off P pelliculosa last year and i just got sick of eating so many. when i have cyans and libs sitting there that i can get high of like 10 cyans or 25 libs. i am sitting there munching a fuckin huge handful and it was weaker than a P stuntzii high for sure.
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You appreciate Pan cincts allot more when they are the only actives growing in your area. Sure there weak but my stomach can handle lots of mushroom matter so it isn't a problem for me. OP, you should start at 8g dried but if they are pretty potent it could be an intense experience.
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Re: Can anyone identify these? [Re: Kaiser]
#14208093 - 03/30/11 07:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Can make tea with weak mushrooms, to avoid eating a ton...
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Re: Can anyone identify these? [Re: HarryL]
#14208162 - 03/30/11 07:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Can anyone identify these? [Re: canid]
#14210516 - 03/30/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Found a lot more today in the same general area! Probably over 50 specimens total. They seem to like lawn grass underneath shade in certain spots that collect water from sprinklers. I have taken spore prints. Can I simply put these spores into a water solution and spray the water all over areas that look conducive to cincts? or is it more complicated than that?
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Re: Can anyone identify these? [Re: morrowasted]
#14210547 - 03/30/11 04:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: Can I simply put these spores into a water solution and spray the water all over areas that look conducive to cincts?
Yes.
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or is it more complicated than that?
You can use more complicated methods which have a greater chance of success, however if you just want to spend a few minutes, spore water is the way to go.
If you want something more sure, spore print -> agar -> grain -> pasteurized horse dung, then fruit indoors in a FC or make an outdoor bed.
I am pretty sure that your mushrooms are P. cinctulus. The lookalikes are non-toxic in any case.
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Thanks for all the feedback, everyone. Taking more prints from the ones I found today.
How long should I expect to wait after I spray the areas before they begin to fruit?

Also, I don't have access to a scale currently. I'm not going to dose them anytime soon, but just for curiosity's sake I thought I would ask if anyone could give me a ballpark estimate of what the dried weight will be? Its about 55 mushrooms total
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Re: Can anyone identify these? [Re: morrowasted]
#14213732 - 03/31/11 08:17 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm gonna be innoculating the hell out of my city if this works first step: school campus
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Re: Can anyone identify these? [Re: morrowasted]
#14215915 - 03/31/11 05:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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sprayed down all the areas that already had some plus a few promising looking ones that didn't. Also found about 20 more specimens today. I believe the areas are always wet because of a sprinkler system, and that is why that have continued to fruit even though it's been 4 days since the last rain, which was mostly just a drizzle anyway.
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Re: Can anyone identify these? [Re: morrowasted]
#14216571 - 03/31/11 07:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: How long should I expect to wait after I spray the areas before they begin to fruit?
One year.
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morrowasted said: How long should I expect to wait after I spray the areas before they begin to fruit?
One year.
It may take that long for woodlovers, but not for Pan cincts. I put a few rotten caps and poured spore solution on my yard(which isn't in the best condition) and three weeks later I had some subbs pop up. If the temps are right and the lawn is well irrigated I don't see why the same can't happen for you.
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Re: Can anyone identify these? [Re: Kaiser]
#14216810 - 03/31/11 07:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Three weeks is too soon, the mycelium must have already been there.
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morrowasted said: How long should I expect to wait after I spray the areas before they begin to fruit?
One year.
Hmmm I see.
Well, I found more cincts in the same area today for the fourth day in a row. Each day the number I find decreases, however. Would it be wiser for me to leave the spot until there is a much greater quantity, and then pick all but a few? I feel like I may be picking them before they have the chance to drop enough spores. Maybe I'm wrong. Like I said I am new at this. Suggestions? For every ten specimens I find, I tear one into little pieces and throw it all around various spots. Will this even do anything or should I just keep all ten Note I am also printing all the caps I find and spraying them around
Also on a completely unrelated note, I was feeding a squirrel some almonds yesterday. After he had come back a few times and I could tell he was comfortable with me, I offered him a tiny cinct instead. He gobbled that sucker down. Don't think you'd be able to tell if he tripped though. Squirrels are already wiling out constantly
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You shouldnt worry about picking them as the mycelium wont be affected that much by it. As for the number decreasing, it is just a cycle so if the subbs run out of nutrients they will steadily stop fruiting.
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Alan Rockefeller said: Three weeks is too soon, the mycelium must have already been there.
I doubt this, I dont see why they wouldnt be able to fruit in three weeks.
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Re: Can anyone identify these? [Re: Kaiser]
#14221191 - 04/01/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I would agree with Alan on this. Germination to fruiting within 3 weeks is probably possible, but under ideal and controlled artificial conditions (e.g. germination on sterilized media under aseptic conditions, colonization on pasteurized media under sanitary conditions with optimal climate control) that would still be pretty damned fast.
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Re: Can anyone identify these? [Re: Kaiser]
#14221249 - 04/01/11 02:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Kaiser said: I doubt this, I dont see why they wouldnt be able to fruit in three weeks.
It takes a week just for the spores to germinate. Even in perfectly controlled conditions you could not go from spore to fruit in three weeks, so outdoors there really is no way.
The substrate needs to be well colonized before it wants to fruit.
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Re: Can anyone identify these? [Re: morrowasted]
#14233170 - 04/03/11 08:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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looks like Pan ants to me.
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They are too skimpy and not white enough for Panaeolus antillarum, probably Panaeolus papilionaceus.
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not sure why they looked bigger too me the first time i looked at them.
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so wait.... they are not cinctulus?
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Re: Can anyone identify these? [Re: morrowasted]
#14237919 - 04/04/11 07:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Those look like cinctulus to me.
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Re: Can anyone identify these? [Re: Blue-FunGuy]
#14239411 - 04/04/11 11:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I found these growing on a pile of cow manure in middel GA recently. The temperature has ranged form the 60-80s. Could anyone help me identify them?
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Re: Can anyone identify these? [Re: Kaiser]
#14239651 - 04/05/11 12:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Kaiser said: You appreciate Pan cincts allot more when they are the only actives growing in your area. Sure there weak but my stomach can handle lots of mushroom matter so it isn't a problem for me. OP, you should start at 8g dried but if they are pretty potent it could be an intense experience.
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Re: Can anyone identify these? [Re: morrowasted]
#14240487 - 04/05/11 07:02 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: so wait.... they are not cinctulus?
Since you found them on a lawn they probably are.
When I tried to call them antillarum or papilionaceus I thought you found them on cow dung.
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awesome, thanks everyone
think I may dose some today
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Re: Can anyone identify these? [Re: morrowasted]
#14258254 - 04/08/11 12:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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they are still popping up daily 

been inoculating my city like 2012 is actually gonna happen
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Re: Can anyone identify these? [Re: morrowasted]
#14258280 - 04/08/11 12:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nice!! Is that some bluing I see at the base on a couple of those.
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Re: Can anyone identify these? [Re: Blue-FunGuy]
#14258292 - 04/08/11 12:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Great finds Morrowaster
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