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Home brew cider and hooch
    #14195329 - 03/27/11 11:13 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

So after doing some other research and reading the helpful posts on this forum I finally decided to do some home brewing.  Went out and got some Carlo Rossi bottles (Did you know they come with wine too, Bonus!), a few airlocks, some condoms, and some premier cuvee yeast.  Currently brewing 4 different bottles(2 in Carlo Rossi's and 2 in the original plastic bottles)

2 Newman's Own grape juice with 2 cups of white sugar added and .25 cup raisins
2 Treetop Apple juice with 1.5 cups white sugar, .5 cup brown sugar, .25 cup raisins

They are currently bubbling away in my closet.  Aiming for a high alcohol content so I will add more sugar when the bubbling slows. Also will probably add more fruit later and would like suggestions on what to add. Was also thinking of doing a 2nd fermentation on the cider to make it bubbly and would be happy to hear suggestions on that.

Thanks to all of the members on here for contributing!  Hopefully this will turn out good and I will keep you all updated.


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Re: Home brew cider and hooch [Re: Harsectinal]
    #14197116 - 03/28/11 10:32 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yeast can only get to 22% ach before they kill them selfs in it...


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Re: Home brew cider and hooch [Re: Brainiac]
    #14197899 - 03/28/11 01:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah I'm hoping to get to around 20%.

Anyone got any ideas on how to further insulate the bottles?  I was going to use a cooler but the Rossi bottles are too tall with the airlocks on them.  The closet isn't too bad as far as temp. variability but I think it could be improved.  Plus, I have to open my closet semi-regularly and I don't want to continuously disturb the yeast with light.

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Re: Home brew cider and hooch [Re: Brainiac]
    #14199327 - 03/28/11 06:40 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

some yeasts can. more often they'll peak out in the 7-15% range, depending of course on the yeast.

Harsectinal: you got a spare blanket? launder it so it's not too dusty, but wrap it around them loosely. should insulate well agains temp fluctuations.

note: cold/cool fermented cider (or anything else) finishes slow, and some plastic bottles can absorb a fair amount of oxygen in that time frame. best do secondary fermentation in glass.


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Re: Home brew cider and hooch [Re: canid]
    #14199762 - 03/28/11 07:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I didn't have any blankets but some old t-shirts are working well.  Put the airlocks out the neckhole and tied the sleeves around it to keep it in place.

What is considered cold/cool?  I am in Southern California and its pretty steady 65-75 in my room.  If I need to get more glass bottles I guess I can drink more rossi :smirk:

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Re: Home brew cider and hooch [Re: Harsectinal]
    #14201497 - 03/29/11 12:14 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Harsectinal said:alcohol content so I will add more sugar when the bubbling slows. Also will probably add more fruit later and would like suggestions on what to add. Was also thinking of doing a 2nd fermentation on the cider to make it bubbly and would be happy to hear suggestions on that.




I really like blackberry juice with apple cider.  I'm experimenting with pomegranate now: the cider tastes like crap now but I'm hoping it ages well.  You can also use apple juice concentrate - though if you're going to make it bubbly, it will eat all the sugars in that too, so there is really no point.

Also, if you're going to do a 2nd fermentation, the plastic jugs should be okay, but I'd avoid the glass.  If it carbs too much, the glass will shatter, which is no fun.  Try backsweetening the stuff you put into the glass to a semi-sweet, and try carbing the stuff in the plastic, and it will help you get an idea for your taste preferences, and more, important, your partner's taste preference so those condoms don't go to waste.

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Re: Home brew cider and hooch [Re: Puzzled]
    #14202769 - 03/29/11 09:09 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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but I'd avoid the glass



you'd be a pretty small minority.

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If it carbs too much, the glass will shatter, which is no fun.




maybe if you sealed it, rolled it around and then threw it to the floor. why would you even begin to worry about that? he's clearly using airlocks and rubbers.


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Re: Home brew cider and hooch [Re: canid]
    #14203215 - 03/29/11 11:20 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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maybe if you sealed it, rolled it around and then threw it to the floor. why would you even begin to worry about that? he's clearly using airlocks and rubbers.




Yeah, but you don't carb it until right before you seal up the bottle.  Since he didn't purchase anything for bottling, I was assuming he was just going to seal up the bottles he's been fermenting in.  And if you add sugar to those glass bottles, seal them up, and let them carb, it's in danger of shattering.

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Re: Home brew cider and hooch [Re: Puzzled]
    #14203427 - 03/29/11 12:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I should have been more clear.  I have bottles that I was going to transfer into for a second fermentation to create carbonation.  I would have to quite before hitting 20% though right?  I have read that you can bottle it, let it sit for a day, then put it in the refrigerator to stop the fermentation from creating a bottle bomb.  BTW duct tape works great for preventing bottles that explode from going everywhere.  You just have to deal with them being unsightly.

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Re: Home brew cider and hooch [Re: Harsectinal]
    #14203646 - 03/29/11 01:01 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Some things to note.

Since you didn't use a hydrometer you will have absolutely no idea what alcohol percentage the beverages are.

It is usually better to add all the fermentable sugars at once. It makes the density readings with the hydrometer much easier to take, and usually produces a better product.

As drinks get higher in percentage their ability to be carbonated decreases. If you do manage to reach 20%ABV (and you won't have any way of knowing if you have) your beverages will be practically impossible to carbonate.

If you carbonate with the wrong amount of carbonating sugars you will either get bottle bombs, gushers, or no carbonation. If you intend to carbonate you will need to make sure you use the right amount of sugar.

Also if your yeast is unable to ferment because the alcohol percentage in the solution is too high, you will get no carbonation. This happens in the 8%-20% range so it is likely in your case if you have been trying to hit the higher percentage.

Buy a hydrometer for next time. Mine cost $11. It is one of the most important tools you will use when brewing.

Given your circumstances I would leave your drinks to sit until all fermentation stops, and then bottle them still.


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Re: Home brew cider and hooch [Re: Harsectinal]
    #14204582 - 03/29/11 04:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You could also setup a Cornelius keg (3 or 5 gallon soda keg) dispensing system, in which case you could force carbonate with your compressed CO2 canister.

    To hell with bottles, kegs rule. :yesnod:

     


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Re: Home brew cider and hooch [Re: Puzzled]
    #14204648 - 03/29/11 04:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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maybe if you sealed it, rolled it around and then threw it to the floor. why would you even begin to worry about that? he's clearly using airlocks and rubbers.




Yeah, but you don't carb it until right before you seal up the bottle.  Since he didn't purchase anything for bottling, I was assuming he was just going to seal up the bottles he's been fermenting in.  And if you add sugar to those glass bottles, seal them up, and let them carb, it's in danger of shattering.




I get you; good call.


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Re: Home brew cider and hooch [Re: geokills]
    #14206186 - 03/29/11 09:20 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I wish I had the resources/space for such a solution.  I would hardly be making closet hooch if I did(Ok maybe I still would be:tongue:).  I would be doing some serious brewing!  Maybe in the future...

Your just trying to make the rest of us jealous with your awesome system.  Mission completuu.

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Re: Home brew cider and hooch [Re: geokills]
    #14209709 - 03/30/11 01:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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You could also setup a Cornelius keg (3 or 5 gallon soda keg) dispensing system, in which case you could force carbonate with your compressed CO2 canister.

    To hell with bottles, kegs rule. :yesnod:

     





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    #14210250 - 03/30/11 03:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The jar.  Well that jar is an interesting story see.  From where it came I cannot hardly believe the tale myself, but there is an odd legend about it.  The first time I saw it I wondered the same thing as you.  What could be in there?  I mean, it's so terribly dark and devoid of detail, dwarfed by the surrounding steel cylinders towering all about it - mysterious even.  What if I told you that the jar contained something of my grandfather's...  Grandma always wanted him to burn his draft card and make for Canada, eh.  But him being the honorable man that he was, decided to enlist as soon as the war broke out.  Back then people used canning jars for all sorts of things; fruit preserves, gun powder, hell even shoe polish!  Canning was the great American passtime.  You weren't a patriot if you didn't have a haul of canning jars that rivaled the size of your Model T automobile.  As it turned out, when grandpa was leaving the house to go off and fight for his country, he ended up tripping on a baseball bat that my own father had forgotten to put away properly after playing a ball game earlier that very same day.  To make matters worse, we had been digging up the yard to have the new technological wonder of the world installed: sprinklers.  Unfortunately, one of the pipes was sawed off at an odd angle and grandpa fell right into it, chest first!  That blasted sprinkler pipe done pierced straight through his left coronary artery it did!  Blood was gushing everywhere and you know what grandpa did?  The only thing he damn well could do.. He managed to drag himself up onto his knees and belt out with all his heart - or what was left of it - gurgling each and every word... the Star Spangled Banner!  Grandma was so taken by this act of sheer patriotism, that she grabbed one of our many canning jars and filled it from the spout upon grandpa's chest, and it's been a family heirloom every since.

It was either that, or honey.  Yea, definitely honey. :tongue:


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Re: Home brew cider and hooch [Re: geokills]
    #14212003 - 03/30/11 09:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

and here i would have guessed malt syrup. silly me.


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Re: Home brew cider and hooch [Re: geokills]
    #14217447 - 03/31/11 09:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The jar.  Well that jar is an interesting story see.  From where it came I cannot hardly believe the tale myself, but there is an odd legend about it.  The first time I saw it I wondered the same thing as you.  What could be in there?  I mean, it's so terribly dark and devoid of detail, dwarfed by the surrounding steel cylinders towering all about it - mysterious even.  What if I told you that the jar contained something of my grandfather's...  Grandma always wanted him to burn his draft card and make for Canada, eh.  But him being the honorable man that he was, decided to enlist as soon as the war broke out.  Back then people used canning jars for all sorts of things; fruit preserves, gun powder, hell even shoe polish!  Canning was the great American passtime.  You weren't a patriot if you didn't have a haul of canning jars that rivaled the size of your Model T automobile.  As it turned out, when grandpa was leaving the house to go off and fight for his country, he ended up tripping on a baseball bat that my own father had forgotten to put away properly after playing a ball game earlier that very same day.  To make matters worse, we had been digging up the yard to have the new technological wonder of the world installed: sprinklers.  Unfortunately, one of the pipes was sawed off at an odd angle and grandpa fell right into it, chest first!  That blasted sprinkler pipe done pierced straight through his left coronary artery it did!  Blood was gushing everywhere and you know what grandpa did?  The only thing he damn well could do.. He managed to drag himself up onto his knees and belt out with all his heart - or what was left of it - gurgling each and every word... the Star Spangled Banner!  Grandma was so taken by this act of sheer patriotism, that she grabbed one of our many canning jars and filled it from the spout upon grandpa's chest, and it's been a family heirloom every since.

It was either that, or honey.  Yea, definitely honey. :tongue:




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Re: Home brew cider and hooch [Re: geokills]
    #14284014 - 04/13/11 01:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The jar.  Well that jar is an interesting story see.  From where it came I cannot hardly believe the tale myself, but there is an odd legend about it.  The first time I saw it I wondered the same thing as you.  What could be in there?  I mean, it's so terribly dark and devoid of detail, dwarfed by the surrounding steel cylinders towering all about it - mysterious even.  What if I told you that the jar contained something of my grandfather's...  Grandma always wanted him to burn his draft card and make for Canada, eh.  But him being the honorable man that he was, decided to enlist as soon as the war broke out.  Back then people used canning jars for all sorts of things; fruit preserves, gun powder, hell even shoe polish!  Canning was the great American passtime.  You weren't a patriot if you didn't have a haul of canning jars that rivaled the size of your Model T automobile.  As it turned out, when grandpa was leaving the house to go off and fight for his country, he ended up tripping on a baseball bat that my own father had forgotten to put away properly after playing a ball game earlier that very same day.  To make matters worse, we had been digging up the yard to have the new technological wonder of the world installed: sprinklers.  Unfortunately, one of the pipes was sawed off at an odd angle and grandpa fell right into it, chest first!  That blasted sprinkler pipe done pierced straight through his left coronary artery it did!  Blood was gushing everywhere and you know what grandpa did?  The only thing he damn well could do.. He managed to drag himself up onto his knees and belt out with all his heart - or what was left of it - gurgling each and every word... the Star Spangled Banner!  Grandma was so taken by this act of sheer patriotism, that she grabbed one of our many canning jars and filled it from the spout upon grandpa's chest, and it's been a family heirloom every since.

It was either that, or honey.  Yea, definitely honey. :tongue:




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